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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 5 嗯，来不及越来越像帮主了，现在又找到了他的皮二，还是两个，可以叫宇宙队了 |
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 6 再次3peat的话可能要史上第二人了 ，比magic和jabbar稍有点优势 |
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A*********l
发帖数: 2005 | 8
I think this happened after the second 3-peat? |
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n****y
发帖数: 656 | 9 If Lakers win another 3-peat this year, Kobe will surpass Magic in the all
time best player ranking regardless Lakers' ranking. |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 10 其实LBJ和魔兽组合就真正雄霸天下了，他和韦德有点重合，他和魔兽联手估计3-peat
都很轻松。 |
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s*******u
发帖数: 1855 | 12 hc上回顾那个系列赛，一边倒的觉得好像湖人自杀了。没有人给塞子什么credit。
我怎么觉得塞子实力确实强大，湖人就算上下一心，完全没有内乱，malone伤了也是必
败无疑，malone不伤不过5－5
波（见第一场，malone在还是主场输了）。
05马刺明显强于04马刺。04马刺跟04湖人（malone没伤，kobe体力消耗严重状态一般，
shaq体力严重下降的湖人）
5－5波应该没问题吧，胜败0。4决定。05马刺跟05塞子也是棋逢对手，不是larry
brown缺德（final时候就公开讨论
跟knicks的签约）＋horry暴种，塞子就二连了。
结论，05季候的塞子肯定比04季候的湖人强。
问题就是04到05塞子提高了多少。人员看其实还少了，depth下降。但是5主力历经考验
，实力心态都上了一截。05塞
子肯定打硬仗能力更强。也许一开始落后，05塞子更强，但是打顺风，04估计也差不多
。所有04塞子实力根本不比04
季后赛的湖人差。
04季后赛的湖人，其实隐患太多，实力已经很平平了（打火箭都很危险）。ok矛盾，
malone伤病说了很多了，其实一
个大家忽略的因素是kobe的体... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 13 郭靖挫的时候才十几岁,之后很快就牛逼起来了,在同龄人中一直是佼佼者
然后学了降龙十八掌跟九阴真经之后越来越牛逼,
直到最后把两者结合到比洪七公领悟的更好,连张三丰都说自己未必能达到他当时的水准
对比MJ十几岁第一次选中学校队没选上,到大学时崭露头角
到刚进nba数据狂人,到两个3 peat
我觉得挺好比的哎
所不同的就是mj天赋异秉,郭靖天资一般
问题是,其实郭靖的客观条件对于他的武功,无论是全真派内功,或是降龙十八掌,
或是九阴真经,都是很完美的,刻苦练之后能发挥到极致
从这一点上看,郭靖的武学天赋,跟mj的篮球天赋,也可以类比一下
郭靖是脑子不够活,但这个在我们做武功vs篮球竞技水平的类比时并不是主要的参考对象 |
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s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 14 球探的小丸熊今年要拿fmvp，然后n peat，地位跟木木并肩 |
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s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 15 首先我说得是他跟一分钱合作的时候是接近巅峰而不是巅峰，他后期的确丰富了进攻手
段。但我的观点是他即便在奥兰多的时候，打出来的效果跟他后期已经没差太远了。我
找了一下他那第一次被扫的赛季对四大中锋的数据（工作量不小，被公牛扫那年有兴趣
的可以自己去看，我猜应该也不错）
94-95
Spurs 1: 36 pts, 12 reb
Spurs 2: 28 pts, 13 reb
NY 1: 41 pts, 17 reb
NY 2: 38 pts, 10 reb
NY 3: 41 pts, 15 reb
NY 4: 41 pts, 10 reb
NY 5: 13 pts, 7 reb (常规赛最后一场，为什么是5场？）
Hou 1: 30 pts, 7 reb
Hou 2: 19 pts, 20 reb
Hou po 1: 26pts, 16 reb, 9ass!
Hou po 2: 33pts, 12 reb
Hou po 3: 28pts, 10 reb
Hou po 4: 25pts, 12 reb
这个平均是
30.7 pts, 11.8 reb
他常规赛数据是
29.3 pts, 1... 阅读全帖 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 16 其实成王败寇，要是他们能搞个3-peat，一切质疑都会烟消云散。 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 17 热队要能拿CB4换来猴娃，那热队绝对王朝，6-peat都很有可能，现在那么赢弱的内线
都是总冠军有力争夺者了，来了猴娃，3巨头都29岁以下，统治NBA6，7年完全没问题。 |
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o**4
发帖数: 35028 | 18 那两个队都没空间了，没法大补，小补没戏；
看好热3 peats |
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 19 He could get 8-peat if he did not retire to play baseball. |
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p********y
发帖数: 224 | 20 Did MJ get DPOY because of Pippen? The only guard to win it in a million
years.
Replace Pippen with a lesser talent, MJ'd still 3-peat, in fact, his stats
would be even better looking.
Put Kobe in MJ's shoe, can he ever get out of the east from the Detroit Bad
Boys? I doubt it. He can't even do it with the Big 4 against the much much
lesser Bad Boys 2. Not to mention the Suns and Jazz in the finals.
Put MJ in Kobe's shoe, Duncan would not even get a single ring. With MJ and
Shaq, they would go a... 阅读全帖 |
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h**********g
发帖数: 3962 | 21
我喜欢列举事实。以下是Jerry West的威基部分内容。出处是
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_West
After a slump in the early 1990s, West rebuilt the team of coach
Del Harris around center Vlade Divac and guard Nick Van Exel,
which won 48 games, and went to the Western Conference Semifinals;
for turning the team around, West received his first Executive of
the Year Award.
By trading Vlade Divac for Kobe Bryant, signing free agent center
Shaquille O'Neal, and signing six-time NBA champion Phil Jackson
as a coach, West la... 阅读全帖 |
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 22 the next 3 years western conference champions, might 3-peat the finals. |
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 23 After they 3-peat the finals champions, Westbrook might become a bitching
Kobe, but not now. Even then, I doubt that'd happen. |
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 24 LBJ's failure leads to a dominating OKC dynasty. 3-peat very likely.
By next year, all KOFs will hate KD as much as LBJ as Kobe sees no chance of
another ring because of KD and RW.
In the end, no matter how many MVPs LBJ gets, he didnot block Kobe from
another ring, but Durant, on the other hand, will be there every single year
.
Go Thunder! |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 25 要是能再拿两个总冠军成就3-peat,就基本上坐稳历史老二的地步了，想超MJ基本不可
能。 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 26 是的，明年没看出来哪只球队能挑战热火，夏天再加两个抱大腿的，下一个赛季3-peat
希望很大。 |
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D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 28 走人如果 能拿格兰杰换俩给力替补
还是挺有威胁的
现在走人基本就4到5人对热有得分能力
peat |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 29 走人叉子都是替补太烂
走人如果 能拿格兰杰换俩给力替补
还是挺有威胁的
现在走人基本就4到5人对热有得分能力
peat |
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n***g
发帖数: 5027 | 30 东部走人太难对付了，
knicks也不好说
peat |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 32 是的，第二次要是不内讧，现在已经3 peat了。 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 33 同意，热火3-peat，韦德就可以和科比相提并论了，詹姆斯也可以跟乔丹比较了，前提
是他三连MVP+FMVP. |
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 34 就因为11年常规赛公牛狂虐南滩，然后季后赛被南滩虐回来从此结仇？
洛神和窒息帝跳舞的事情都是pre-dicesion了，不应该跟这个有关吧
Jimmy 长得丑 Butler哥已经放言 'Can't Let' Heat Three-Peat Happen |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 35 82，83和84，85都是同一对team打final，都switch冠军，只有bull如日中天时，97，
98连赢两次jazz。
如果今年马刺还对heat，heat能赢，那么king的地位应可超过kobe了，not only three
peat，but beat the same team twice in final。 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 36 可不是，还少算一个，跟打傻拿个three peat。 |
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p****p
发帖数: 3360 | 37 “绝对可以连冠”是吹牛。
在公牛拿第一个three-peat的91，92，93年，加上乔丹不在、火箭拿两连冠的94和95年
，火箭对公牛的常规赛战绩是7胜3负。其中有乔丹、拿冠军的前三年，公牛对火箭1胜5
负。
事实是奥拉朱旺牛比的那一阵子，火箭公牛一直没有在季后赛面对面。假设的事情不要
说“绝对
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 38 没有皮蓬乔丹拿得到3-peat？那你觉得老詹在骑士队两次打总决赛的帮手，和乔丹打总
决赛的帮手哪个强？老詹最差的是运气，07年没有帮手就算了，今年如果Love，Irving
，阿娇都健康的话绝对吊打勇士队呀。 |
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z**********i
发帖数: 9546 | 39 The Air and Lord of Rings?
Personal thought: not yet but possible, after getting a 3-peat.
发信人: Dominique (shaq没希望了~~~), 信区: Basketball
标 题: Re: 尼玛神马人在装骑士蜜？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 17 17:05:26 2016, 美东)
前二是？ |
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z**********i
发帖数: 9546 | 40 I actually meant Shaq since 30, 2002.
We can check the trophy case for Shaq since 2001-2002 season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O'Neal
The champion in 2002 was the main source to attack Shaq in the O-K 3-peat
contribution distribution.
The 2006 one was on D-Wade.
What else?
Yao could stay very healthy with a solid (not superb) backup, and that's
what I believe.
The world changed dramatically in the Summer of 2001. |
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z**********i
发帖数: 9546 | 41 Yes, ECF 98, simply the biggest challenge in MJ's 2nd 3-peat. |
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 43 搞清楚王朝的定义再来，NBA三联很多
pat riley发明的3-peat忘了，我现在深切怀疑你的球龄。 |
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 44 乔吹来告诉你，如果帮主退役就不回来了，只有一个3 peat，现在历史第一的地位绝对
难保。看看Kobe当时和乔丹的比较就知道了，多少人是拿着6冠6mvp来压Kobe的？
当前的能力是什么意思？什么叫当前能力？当前的进攻能力还是防守能力还是季后赛能
力还是拿冠军的能力？
你要喜欢体育就要接受体育成王败寇的事实，Iverson当年技冠群雄，得分能力比现在
这几个谁差？现在呢？你看讨论历史地位有他的影子么？ |
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H****t
发帖数: 2542 | 46 不由地感慨一下。
昨晚之前，拍子还是号称史上最强大的球队之一。
结果一场失利，让洋溢着光辉的新英格兰圣斗士队变成了"也就那么回事"。
赛后，NFL Network一帮人，被问道拍子是否是one of the greatest teams时，
都有所保留。虽然我觉得本赛季的拍子确实应该在历史上有一席之地，
但one loss indeed makes them look so bad。
不由得联想起南加州套套队。前年号称要3-peat，被吹成史上最牛鼻的colleage球队。
结果被瘟羊搞定后。大家发现套套其实也不过如此，而且只是拿过一次NC而已。
所以，最后一场最关键。
没有拿到冠军，前面的战绩再辉煌，也只是徒增尴尬。竞技体育确实残酷。 |
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J****n
发帖数: 3011 | 47 rogers现在看重的只能是b2b SB champion，或者3-peat SB champion |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 48 Did you forget that after that game, the NFL issued an open apology to the
Giants, stating that a PI penalty should have been called on the last play
of the game, giving the Giants a chance for the game-wining FG attempt from
20 yards out?
Did that qualify SF's win as "fluke"?
Nah, never mind, you can have that one, as SF lost the very next week anyway.
For me, I will always relish hearing Pat Summerall of CBS calling Matt Bahr'
s game-winning FG in the 1990 NFCCG to the entire country as " ... ... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 49 At least the 49ers had a chance to three-peat, which is more than you could
say for the giants who never had a chance to even repeat! As a matter of
fact, Montana's career with the 49ers was ended by Steve Young, another hall
-of-famer who kicked the giants ass numerous times including a 44:3 rout on
the way to winning the super bowl.
Did I ever say any win/loss was a fluke? A win is a win is a win, bad luck
or good luck, only the scoreboard counts, so tough shit for the fumble and
ditto for the... 阅读全帖 |
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