c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 1 Ti5.4 WRB is more popular for penhold RBL... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 2 another biggest gainer among adults is Dan Lin.
First time i played him was back to 2005 at WMTT, myself's company,
he played like 1400-1500 level. He played worse than WMTT at that
time.
Now He is almost 2150.
He is a lefty, one side smooth, one side LP, twiddler too.
So WSNs who play penhold, if you don't have talent AND power/stamina
for RPB, you know which way is the quickest way to improve! |
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b****g
发帖数: 7311 | 3 加一个 Ma Lin Soft Carbon Penhold
谢谢。 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 4 Blade: Yasaka Galaxya Penhold (7夹纯木, 5.5mm厚, 90.2克重)
FH: Bryce Hard 2.1
BH: Hammond Pro-Beta 2.1 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 5 the 2nd video reminds me of the so called "Tsinghua 4 sworders"
when we played against A. W.'s team:
at that time, Lisa/lao zhang was not found yet. we gave Chang to AW's team.
Fortunately we 4 sworders cover almost the 4 types of smooth rubber
penholders:
1. a single sided looper
2. a RPB looper
3. a blocker
4. a twiddler.
now average is >2000. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 6 old pen: penhold can 反手拨 using the forehand side too, i do that when i am
in ready
position so i do that more often in doubles...
ur wrist has to be very flexible, otherwise it is easy to get injured. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 7 I know that。It's called "围“ by 吴敬平。Of course you could also consider
it "拨”，but "拨“ is usually a word to describe this stroke when the
reverse side is used, i.e. shakehand or penhold RPB。Because of anatomical
limitation of human body, "围” can only be a much more compact stroke than
"拨“。That's it。
am |
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Q**J
发帖数: 23283 | 8 单子如下， 运费是14， 所以每个板子+2 刀。
12个球 和胶水 +1 刀， 那120个球队+2 刀。
Item Number Description Qty Ord. Unit Price Disc Extended
Price
SSNHYN MA HYBRID NCT Flared Master 1.00 $ 74.1700 0 $ 74.17
Assemble: No
SSCLCC MA CLIPPER CC Flared Master 1.00 $ 76.9100 0 $ 76.91
Assemble: No
BNPR 12 WHITE NITTAKU PREMIUM BALLS Dozen (12) White 1.00 $ 18.
1700 0 $ 18.17
BNPK ORANGE NITT... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 9 these 6 are almost the best penholders since 2002...
average height is about 176cm.. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 10 Zhi-Ming is a 2300 LP player, a good example for amateur penholders
who can't loop well: |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 11 i was surprised to see even that lefty started to play LP, he actually
has great backhand reverse penhold, definitely better than old pen's.
So even if you have great RPB, you can still use the skill by using
LP at your forehand as Amy Zhong does, twiddling is the key! |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 12 Good point.
BTW, bracing it thinly using RPB is not easy for many non-advanced players
of RPB.
For the forehand of penholders, it is easy to do bracing it thinly though.
.
so |
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w***z
发帖数: 771 | 13 Let me give you another explanation about lifting and brushing,
To have a consistent backhand with penholder, the feeling of brushing is ver
y important. To practice, get a ball, throw it into the sky. when the ball f
alls down, brush it with your racket as strongly as you can and try to hit i
n different directions (no table needed), you can feel that the ball stays o
n your racket for a small amount of time, and your racket embraces the ball
and then throws it out, That's the feeling you shoul... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 14
usually it is easier for penhold to initiate attacking, but against
Kim, esp facing match, team match points, Liu had the gut to initiate
attacking as a shakehand... which i consider was very brave.
He is a natural athlete, a fighter, unfortunately he didn't work out
his leg muscle enough (i recommended that to Mr Cai at FL, USOPEN 2000,
guess i was a too little person to be noticed by him) to support
his fast move to cover the court.
Guozheng's style could make him play at least as long as Ma ... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 15 How about those in USA (penholders) ? |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 16 When I saw Wang Hao'a practice and match in Changchun personally, he moved
quickly to far table for two-side looping after 1 round of balls.
For pen-holders like us, far-table may be not a good choice. If the balls
always be long balls (near to edge), near table penholders have difficulties
to defense.
Confusing. ANy suggestions ? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 17 there are at most 8% of amateur penholders who can really learn
横打 so that they can use it fluently.
At first, think about if you are one out of 12 most talented ones? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18 i chatted with him at USOPen 2000, at the dinner table with Wei, Qinguang..
Liu Song told me he started as a penholder, but with a weaker backhand,
his coach from Guangxi(same as Wei's) suggested him to change to shakehand,
but his backhand as shakehand was still very weak, so he changed to LP in
his backhand.
Now, 12 years later, he still could win Pam-Am men's single to qualify for
London 2012, good for him! |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 19 I happened upon this video of Judit Magos-Havas, a Hungarian who won
European Championship in Women's Single in 1974 and 1978. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 20 80/90年代欧洲仅有的一位活跃于世界乒坛的中直单面反胶选手，南斯拉夫的Kalinic，左手大高个，近台右
推左拉打法。据跟他训练过的一位2550的球手说，老卡的发球很诡异，而且打起球来角
度变化很多，常常把对手调来调去失去平衡。现在来看看他跟瓦大师的一个比赛录像： |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 21 老卡单打成绩一般，但双打很不错，曾获得过1989年世乒赛男子双打亚军。其后日本的
Juic公司推出了以他名子命名的系列底板，其中一支五夹纯木的Juic kalinic当时似乎
颇受欢迎。我试过这板子，退台后的底劲差了点，近台防守的手感则相当不错。
89年WTTC双打决赛片段： |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 22 据说，现在还在打球的那位小卡(Karakasevic,获得过US Open冠军)的老爹，当年也是
南斯拉夫国家队的，也是打直板的，不过找不到他的比赛录像。 |
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D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 23 卡列尼茨？
是世锦赛双打冠军，搭档是乒坛常青树舒尔贝克
也不是89年，更早
决赛赢了江嘉良和谢赛克，2：1，决胜局21：19吧 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 24 就是他。
87年是拿了冠军吗？我怎么没找到那个比赛，我再去看看。 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 26 找到了，是83年东京世乒赛，决赛战胜了江/谢而夺冠的。 |
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e*****G
发帖数: 6239 | 27 5年前朋友帮忙买了个红双喜底板，天津友谊胶面的，都已氧化不粘了
在amazon上看，好像每个拍子的参数都用不同standard啊
Butterfly Dao Penhold Racket： $40
Surface: Inverted Sponge: 2.0mm Flextra Speed: 100 Spin: 100 Control: 55
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00400HHZC/ref=ox_sc_act_title
Butterfly 302： $25
Speed 7.25, spin 7.50 and control 8.50
DHS Table Tennis Racket #X4006: $18
DHS Table Tennis Racket #TP6006： $47.42
大牛们来给个意见，是不是直接买个6006 |
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n**0
发帖数: 642 | 29 教授还真是认真阿，居然要找出shakehand的6个缺点。
对于我们业余的来说，在到一定程度之前，技术比战术更重要。我自己反正发完球就一
板，冲不死说明你牛，那我也没办法。
of
where
Wang |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 31 Thanks.
I will add some |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 32 Added 5 points, who want to add more? |
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L**********g
发帖数: 94 | 33 A very spin backhand chop may cause problems to shakehand two-wing loopers. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 35 PenRBS, SmartFarter, ypeng, Jingqg1979, bbs1011, WMTT, etc. :
Common, give some tips please. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 37 If you learn to type Chinese here, I will then chip in..........haha |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 38 Most so called pen-holder advantage here are the myth.
If you played both pen-holder and shakehand, you would know, pen-holder's
forehand is not as powerful as shakehand.
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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w***z
发帖数: 771 | 39 Everything has its weakness and there is no moat for shakehand, but the matt
er of the fact is what you are fighting with is the person who is holding th
e shakehand rather than the shakehand itslef.
To find your opponent's weakness might be more meaningful
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 40 我这种没有相持能力的，要是控制不过对手，那就没得玩了。
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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p******u
发帖数: 705 | 41 业余打球，直板横板的区别稍小，输赢多是技术上的原因。但横板的稳定性好于直板，
直板比较靠发挥，容易克别人也被别人克，直板比较强调近台反应能力和爆发力，但只
要横板稍退一点台，技术一上去，球经常拉到端线处，直板就比较困难。直板反手仍然
是弱点，在高手中也很明显。直板横打的作用在业余中也被高估，主要是杀伤力不太强
，很难练暴。球拉过来后，还得有后续手段。
中路当然是横板的弱点，而且正反不同面打球，转换需要时间。正因为这样，球一打快
，横板需要退台一些，这有利于克服中路弱点。前三个（手腕，先上手，中路）虽然看
起来直板有优势，退台后直板的手腕也就没啥用了，其它优势也都很难说。所以前三板
也挺重要的。
大多数横板的反手仍然相对较弱，稳定性差，力度不大，这也是为什么发球都发到反手
这个方向的原因。横板反手拉不起强下旋时，对直板反手的优势就不会很明显，只要直
板交替用很转和少量不太转的球就可以与横板反手对抗。如果能与横板拼右手，上手可
以稍快一些，直板胜算较大。但是退台后，直板球质下降，横板只要跑动好，就能占优
。所以最好将球向反手攻，然后有机会再打个正手。对横板反手，的确多可发隐蔽长球
，打第三... 阅读全帖 |
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y***g
发帖数: 5167 | 42 有道理，
归根到底提高自己的综合能力最重要。如果你有1800实力，你可以轻松灭1500的任何打
法（直拍，横拍，长胶，正胶等等），反之亦然，很难赢2000的人。多做LZ这种分析，
非常有助提高综合能力。
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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v*******y
发帖数: 221 | 43 握拍法是死的，人是活的。
业余里打直拍的也有中台拉球很转，近台很一般的；打横拍的也有一面短颗粒打近台攻球的。
抛开对手，单论握拍法的优劣，没有什么意义。
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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S*********r
发帖数: 4729 | 44 归根到底一句话，对于实力相近的1800+以上选手，直板必须有个强大的正手，一个让
对手不敢轻易送你正手的正手。
所有其他战术都是围绕这个进行的。
攻球的。 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 47
但是退台后，直板球质下降，
这点不敢苟同。直板反手也许可以这样说，直板正手退台后球质不一定就下降，要看球
手的打法，还要看球手使用的器材。
若是一般都是靠近台控制加抢攻为主的打法，动作幅度不太大的，退台后确实正手球质
会下降明显。但若是中近台前冲弧圈为主，动作幅度比较大的打法，即使退到远台，正
手球质都不会下降多少，有时反而会因为发力空间出来了而能拉出更为强劲的弧圈球，
你看韩国的日直选手。即使是用中直的，若底板形变大，蓄能好，跟横板对上正手也会
不落下风，香港的梁祝恩他退台后的正手球就很有威胁，虽然他并非主动退台那种打法
，个人认为这个是跟器材还是很有关系的，他以前一直用的是Stiga OC-CR, 这块板中
远台拉冲的球质不是一般的强，因为形变蓄能大。同样中直打法的他的香港队友李静和
高礼泽在退台后确实球质就下降明显，一方面跟他们打法风格就更靠近台有关，另外这
两人用的都是较厚硬的球拍，近台速快，退台后就不太容易蓄能了。
就我个人来说，比大多数直板球友都要离台稍远一点，在中台以外感觉正手能发力更为
充分一点，拉冲的球质的也更“重”些，反正我要是退台后跟对手比正手，无论对方是
横板... 阅读全帖 |
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j*g
发帖数: 820 | 48 嘿嘿，这就是为什么要发球抢退嘛。
业余选手不少因为步法或意识问题，正手击球抢不到上升期或高点。发力猛的人其实退
一点台球还反而容易上。近台发力倒是容易出界。木梯是这种打法。看起来Pen老也是。 |
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y***g
发帖数: 5167 | 49 像你的直板打法的人不多。我如果被逼退台，就超级被动。 |
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p******u
发帖数: 705 | 50 还是老Pen说得全面，的确器材和大一点的动作也可以不减少直板正手退台后的威力。
我曾经尝试了一下横握，感到发出的力气更大一些。我是近台打法，动作弧度下，器材
又偏于近台，所以退台后球质下降比较多。 |
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