g********d 发帖数: 4174 | 1 Posted on Advocate.com January 22, 2011
Witness Reflects on Prop 8 Testimony
By Advocate.com Editors
Ryan Kendall Image: The Kendall Project "I would rather have had an abortion
than a gay son."
These were the words that Ryan Kendall heard from his mother as a teenager
growing up in Colorado Springs, Colo.
In a new blog post on Out Front Colorado, the 27-year-old Denver police
officer, who underwent "ex-gay" reparative therapy, reflects on his painful
upbringing, one that became part of historic... 阅读全帖 |
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g********d 发帖数: 4174 | 2 Posted on Advocate.com February 16, 2011
Another Prop. 8 Delay
By Andrew Harmon
The California supreme court Wednesday announced it would hear arguments as
to whether marriage-equality opponents have standing to defend Proposition 8
in court when state officials refused to do so.
The court's move will further delay ultimate resolution of the case, now on
appeal before the U.S. court of appeals for the ninth circuit.
The state supreme court granted an expedited schedule in the matter, however
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p********i 发帖数: 1963 | 3 烦死了,到底什么时候能推翻prop 8啊,有没有timetable?
Judge
issued |
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g********d 发帖数: 4174 | 4 Posted on Advocate.com August 01, 2011 09:00:00 AM ET
Prop. 8 Standing Arguments to be Televised
By Andrew Harmon
Oral arguments on a legal standing question in the Proposition 8 case will
be televised live in September, according to a California Supreme Court
spokeswoman.
Of the September 6 hearing, SF Appeal reports that "because of public
interest in the case, the court has approved a live statewide television
broadcast of the arguments on the California Channel, a public affairs
network," a... 阅读全帖 |
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k*****e 发帖数: 22013 | 6 没有必要,一两年就够了。
现在的形势和08年prop 8通过的时候相比就不可同日而语了。
那时候算上加州自己也只有两个州合法,现在多了五个州合法。
按现在打官司的速度,打上高院至少还得一两年吧。
一两年后又是一片新形势。 |
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D**S 发帖数: 24887 | 7 Prop 8 proponents being afraid of gay violence?
Who is Mathew Shepard? |
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m******8 发帖数: 2153 | 8 好莱坞两大帅哥好友布莱德毕必特(Brad Pitt)和乔治克卢尼(George Clooney
),携手演出一部同志题材的舞台剧《第八号提案》(Prop 8),这出戏今天起在洛杉
矶首演。
《第八号提案》指的就是加州在2008年11月通过的公投案,它禁止同志婚姻,舞台
剧以此为题材,由奥斯卡得奖编剧布雷克(Dustin Lance Black)执笔。
毕必特饰演法官Vaughn R. Walker,他在作了有利于同性恋婚姻合法化的判决之后
,被人发现他原来也是个同志,故事就在冲突和争议中发展。克卢尼则扮演支持同性恋
婚姻的律师。
除了毕必特和克卢尼,还有好几个大明星都轧上一角。克里斯丁拉迪(Christine
Lahti)与资深女星杰米李柯蒂斯(Jamie Lee Curtis)演出“蕾丝边”女同性恋者,
马修莫里森(Matthew Morrison)与麦特鲍莫尔(Matt Bomer)则是男同性恋者,其他
演员包括马凯文贝肯(Kevin Bacon)、珍林区(Jane Lynch)、约翰·C·赖利(John
C. Reilly)、克里斯高佛(Chris Colfer)等。
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p****u 发帖数: 2596 | 9 我觉得高院不回受理这个案子。。但是会受理doma案子。
不理解媒体为啥关注doma的比关注prop8的多。
now. |
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p****u 发帖数: 2596 | 10 刚打说错了, 不理解媒体为啥关注prop8的比关注doma的多。 |
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L*******e 发帖数: 2202 | 11 prop 8 打赢了就全美允许同婚了? 相对争议比较大吧。 |
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p****u 发帖数: 2596 | 12 昨天会议以后,最高法院今天没有grant review的6个case里面 给 Prop 8 Case。
虽然有可能case 被delay,不过至少90%的可能是review被deny拉。最迟下周会公布
deny 的case list。
大家先忍着别激动,啊,等到下周一再庆祝。 |
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k*****e 发帖数: 22013 | 13 如果受理,今天早上就应该发出来。结果prop8不在今天早上的list里面。
如果不受理,下周一就会发出来。Prop 8应该在下周一的list里,等下周一最终确认吧。
据分析,现在有好几个挑战DOMA的案子。
最高法院应该是准备受理DOMA的案子,毕竟DOMA才是管着全国的。 |
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 14 之前就有新聞分析過,高院可能不會受理prop 8的案子。
上個星期的新聞,金斯堡在科羅拉多大學演講的時候,
被問及高院是否會審理DOMA是否違憲的案子,
金斯堡說我不能回答這個問題,
不過在本年度 (10/2012-06/2013),
挑戰DOMA違憲的案件就會抵達高院。
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57516427/justice-ginsburg-e
marriage-case-in-2013/
Ginsburg spoke at the University of Colorado in Boulder. She was asked a
student-submitted question about the equal-protection clause and whether the
nation's high court would consider it applying to sexual orientation.
Ginsburg said with a smile that she couldn't answer the ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****n 发帖数: 325 | 16 非要等到大选过后吗?高院求给力!
要让romney上来的话 这婚还有的结不?
http://sdgln.com/news/2012/10/09/us-supreme-court-no-action-pro
WASHINGTON – For the third consecutive week, the U.S. Supreme Court has not
revealed its intentions on the Proposition 8 and Defense of Marriage Act (
DOMA) cases that are before them.
The nation’s high court observed the federal holiday on Monday, when the
justices announce what cases they will review and which ones they will
decline. Because of the holiday, they held announcements until toda... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 17
好事。高院肯定會討論DOMA違憲的議題。
如果審核Prop 8的案子,說明就快了!
如果不審,那么麻州的以及紐約州的案子肯定會審。
無論如何明年6月之前DOMA sec 3 都完蛋了。
老人家們這么忙,讓他們好好準備準備。 |
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 18
第一個問題,百分之九十九。
第二個問題,能。
要是不能,麻州,紐約,那些原告就不打官司了。
另外我覺得高院很可能會把Prop 8 和麻州紐約的案子捆在一起裁決,
順帶把加州也一起解決了。
LGBT的平權運動勢不可擋也。 |
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 19 Prop 8 Supporters Submit Official Brief to Supreme Court
Proponents of California's ban on same-sex marriage officially submitted
their brief to the Supreme Court Tuesday, urging the court to uphold the
vote that constitutionally banned marriage in 2008.
According to Buzzfeed, Proposition 8's backers say that the state's
constitution does not "mandate the traditional gendered definition of
marriage, but neither does our Constitution condemn it. This Court,
accordingly, should allow the public de... 阅读全帖 |
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 20 5 Inspirational Photos From the Prop. 8 Hearings
These images reveal the tension, the hope, and the conflict as the Supreme
Court considers marriage equality in a pivotal moment for LGBT Americans. |
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w******p 发帖数: 182 | 21 from SCOTUSblog:
(No opinion on DOMA/Prop. 8 today)
Amy Howe: From the Chief Justice: Tomorrow at 10 a.m. will be the last day
and we will release all the remaining opinions. |
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K*****y 发帖数: 312 | 22 最高法院的大法官们真会吊人胃口, 昨天一口气宣判6个案子, 原以为今天会把剩下的6
个案子都结了, 他们偏要6个案子分两天, 最后剩下Prop 8 和 DOMA 明天宣判. |
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c*******o 发帖数: 8869 | 23 Sponsors of prop 8 demanded the gay judge to recuse himself. However, a
federal judge ruled that such a demand is without basis. This set one of
strong legal precedents that race, ethnicity, religion and sex orientation
cannot be the basis for recusal. |
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A*******e 发帖数: 2419 | 24 有collision coverage,是不是就没必要买uninsured mot prop damage了? |
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c****e 发帖数: 279 | 25 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: clonee (CLONEE), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 为什么加州prop 65说蜂胶致癌??
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 23 20:16:40 2013, 美东)
底下有一句:
This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause
cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
http://www.pureformulas.com/propolis-650mg-100-capsules-by-thom
买来到手的蜂胶上也贴了标签,也是这句话.
以前在别的州买蜂胶没有这个标签.
上网搜不到关于蜂胶致癌的链接
求解惑 |
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w********s 发帖数: 1570 | 26 和大的it公司比,prop shop到底怎么样? |
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w********s 发帖数: 1570 | 27 prop shop的活就是怎样让程序跑得更快,甚至包括要接触fpga
大的it么,就是改bug加feature,产品已经稳定很多 |
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j****j 发帖数: 270 | 28 一起来聊聊怎样开一个prop-trading shop吧。
交流一下。。。 |
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s**********a 发帖数: 3273 | 29 你开 prop-trading shop 的目的是赚钱还是避税? |
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i******l 发帖数: 828 | 30 【 以下文字转载自 Quant 讨论区 】
发信人: BulletTooth (DesertEagle.50), 信区: Quant
标 题: Re: Major props to our coffee guy
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 12 11:37:21 2008)
I really would like to get some work done right now, but with the entire
floor watching CNBC and the amount of negative exuberance, it's kinda hard.
oh well, what the hell. this couple of weeks will go down in the textbooks
for the years to come, i can afford to relax a little bit.
Interesting thing is what happens next - now that i think about it, |
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j****j 发帖数: 270 | 31 一起来聊聊怎样开一个prop-trading shop吧。
交流一下。。。 |
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j****j 发帖数: 270 | 32 一起来聊聊怎样开一个prop-trading shop吧。
交流一下。。。 |
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t****i 发帖数: 182 | 33 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
microbe (纵使相逢应不识) 于 (Wed Nov 5 17:47:50 2008) 提到:
First post here...but, since the SF BM wants to ban the discussion (which is
ridiculous), here it is.
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首先,先了解一下prop 8产生的过程。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
法律不是完美的,由于制定时的认知限制和疏忽,都可能有一些漏洞,所以每个法律都
有个intepretation和intention的问题。关于gay marriage是否合法,一直以来支持者
或反对者都是希望修改法律增加支持或禁止的条款。比如,domestic partnership的法
律的通过,以至于同性婚姻合法化。这些在州议会通过后都被Arnold否决了, |
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T******e 发帖数: 18290 | 34 一步步上诉还有一段时间。最高法院不愿意接这个烫手山芋,但是一旦案子到他们那里
,我估计是会判决Prop 8不违背联邦宪法.
我觉得,同性civil union,目前比较合适大众的心理,比较可行。 |
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j**n 发帖数: 94 | 35 I don't think any "rights" has been violated. This Prop 8 is about how "
marriage" is defined. Marriage by widely accepted definition is between a
man and a woman.
Gay people are never denied the right to get married, as long as they marry
to an opposite sex. They opted out because of their choice of life style
. NO ONE is taking their rights away.
Now it is the gay rights group who's trying to force their value upon the
general public by re-defining "marriage".
Don't get me wrong, I'll sup |
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l**********r 发帖数: 4612 | 36 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: linuxbeginer (linux), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 天天听广播广告说yes on prop 30
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 17 01:26:04 2012, 美东)
说是生效以后这部分钱政客不能动,直接都用到classroom里。没听明白具体什么个意
思。那会不会变成教师变相加工资呢? |
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C****n 发帖数: 2324 | 37 I am worrying prop 30, most people probably vote YES.
FxxK, 又要加税了. |
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j****j 发帖数: 270 | 38 一起来聊聊怎样开一个prop-trading shop吧。
交流一下。。。 |
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m*****r 发帖数: 41 | 39 PROP 30 - STATE TAXES TO FUND EDUCATION
Precincts: 2064
Counted: 811
Percentage: 39.3%
NO 57.68%
YES 42.32% |
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y****i 发帖数: 17878 | 40 Prop 30 will pass by at least 3% margin
good night |
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s******r 发帖数: 1439 | 42 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
hebrew (hebrew) 于 (Sun Aug 3 23:02:39 2008) 提到:
PROP 13就是广大无房/新买房硅工的抽血管啊,刚才刚在wiki上面学习了一下,
PROP13是造成房价虚高和租房比例增大的一个重要原因。此外,房主也倾向于出租
房屋而不是出售房屋。
什么时候才能废除这个万恶的地主法呢?
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mandman (Man Law) 于 (Sun Aug 3 23:02:59 2008) 提到:
impossible
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BOXSTER (嘛也别缩了) 于 (Sun Aug 3 23:05:48 2008) 提到:
坚决支持PROP13!
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hebrew (hebrew) 于 (Sun Aug 3 23:06: |
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b******d 发帖数: 43 | 43 发现大多数有钱教育程度高的好区,都反对prop 8
烂区正好相反
弯曲来说,别说city里面了,就南湾,周末走走了palo alto,atherton附近,看到很
多no on 8的牌子,没看到一个yes的
反而,在sanjose烂区,capitol expressway附近,貌似看到了一些yes的牌子,当然大
多数是no的牌子
sandiego来说,miramesa这种烂区,看到一些yes的牌子,lajolla里,真的一个都没见
到,反倒很多no的牌子
说明啥呢,可能智商和open-mindness的程度和挣钱能力是成正比的,恩。。。 |
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s******r 发帖数: 1439 | 44 既然生米已经做成了熟饭
继续讨论也没什么意义
如果还有谁想继续关于prop 8 的讨论
请转移到8区相应版面或者彩虹版
谢谢
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B******e 发帖数: 5730 | 45 当然不是正道
你要解决签证移民问题,去运动国会改移民法
domestic partner 视同 married spouse 不就成了?
overturn Prop 8, 一个加州的proposition
有啥用?
你是装傻? 还是故意抬杠? |
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G****s 发帖数: 3523 | 47 prop 8 passed partly because teachers invite 7 year olds to the les wedding.
at least give adults some time to absorb the new regulation, before you run
promotions to 7 year olds.
school age kids listens to everything teacher said. every adult will recall
the same thing when they were at school. some teachers' agreesive move
scared many parents. a big percentage of those parents were definitely
supporting gay marriage before they knew what teachers did.
one worse move by the teachers: in their a |
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f********m 发帖数: 8397 | 48 prop 13后,以来property tax收不上来,就只能靠sales tax and income tax了,所
以大家
交的这两个tax就重了。
最严重的是这两个tax是不稳定的,而政府的budget是按照当年的收入做的。举个例子
,假设2005年
收入好了,马上budget就上去了,一堆乱花钱的议案就通过了,因为钱不是问题了。那
2006年经济不
好,这两个tax收不上来怎么办呢?那就热闹了,议会吵架,budget上玩文字游戏,发
bond,
向municipal要钱,总之只要不cut spending就行,没准明年又有钱了。。。
其他州rely on property tax就稳定多了,不会胡花钱 |
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b*****g 发帖数: 983 | 49 这个是well known呀
就像美国金融危机是高房价引起的也是well known一样
问题是如果取消prop 13,房价还要暴跌,加州会有更多失业,危机,等等等等
所以知道问题和离解决问题是两码事 |
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f********m 发帖数: 8397 | 50 收入稳定了,当然budget就会订的少。假设加州5年的平均收入是100B, 因为prop 13,
第一年是
130B,那二年budget就会按照130B来做,议员提的花钱的议案不会有太大阻力,因为钱
不是问题,至
少从这一年的收入来看。然后第二年经济危机,收入是70B,已经开的program不会轻易
砍掉,也就是
说,第三年budget绝不可能是70B,因为那个议员也不愿意自己的program被砍,而是政
府想尽花活来
保证花销,结果就造成deficit了,这就是加州财政危机的来源。
如果主要收入是property tax, 这5年收入很稳定的保持在100B,那议员想提花钱的议案
,大家就要
问了,就这么多钱,你从哪里来钱? |
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