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m******1
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为什么印度人的姓是美国词?音译吧?
D**S
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Possibly.
Maybe same reason that Koreans have last names like Lee, Park, etc.
m******8
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Technically outed by rumors heard in a whisper campaign used by his
opposition, Texas Board of Education member George Clayton (R-Richardson)
has confirmed that he has a "male partner." Details follow.
“It has come to my attention that one of my opponents in my bid for
reelection to the State Board of Education and certain member(s) of the
Golden Corridor Republican Women’s Club are questioning my sexual
orientation,” Clayton wrote in a email. “So as to avoid the tyranny of
misinformation and in... 阅读全帖
m******1
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By Jeremy Kinser
DAVE KARGER X390 (FB) | ADVOCATE.COM
Dave Karger, one of the film industry's most reliable Academy Awards pundits
, has been named as the official red carpet greeter for the Oscars for the
second consecutive year as well as host of the web series offering an in-
depth look at best picture nominees, reports Entertainment Weekly.
Karger, a veteran entertainment journalist for EW, who's also a familiar
face to film buffs for his appearances on Turner Classic Movies and Access
Holl... 阅读全帖
o****g
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why do i care again?

pundits
g********d
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President Obama might be changing minds with his support for marriage
equality, at least among African-American voters, a new poll shows.
In a poll conducted in North Carolina ahead of a vote on Amendment One,
Public Policy Polling had found that just 20% of black voters supported same
-sex marriage. That number has now shot up to 27%, its new poll shows,
progressing dramatically during the little time since President Obama came
out for marriage equality on the day after North Carolina voted.
Bl... 阅读全帖
m******1
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - 昨晚LGBT的十大空前胜利
The Top 10 LGBT Victories From Last Night's Election
By: Daniel Villarreal
11.7.2012
Last night's election results resulted in an awe-inspiring and monumentous
night for LGBT rights and candidates. Here's a rundown of all of them in a
handy top 10 list.
1) Despite all the "this is gonna be a close race" hype, Obama was elected
by a large margin consisting primarily of young people, Hispanics, blacks
and women "micro-targeted" by his effective get out the vote effort in
battleground states such a... 阅读全帖
k*****e
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网上的右派们一片哀号,如丧考妣。
笑死了,那些人啊,看到别人幸福,他们就不爽。
看到他们一肚子气没处发的样子,我觉得很搞笑。
Here are five of the angriest anti-gay reactions to last night’s show:
5. Grammys Make Me Want To Vomit, Send Us To Hell
Conservative commentator Erik Rush admitted he didn’t actually watch the
Grammy Awards last night, but still observed that the “Same Love”
performance “makes you want to vomit.”
Rush said the performance was led by “a disgusting pack of subverts” who
want America “shepherded down the path to Hell.”
4. Boycott Gramm... 阅读全帖
s**********t
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http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3511/britain-muslim-populatio
The strange thing about this "multicultural" society is that it can
celebrate every imaginable culture except the one that allows all these
cultures to co-exist alongside each other -- and all the time with
enthusiasm from pundits and politicians, busy trying to pretend that this is
all the most wonderful result imaginable.
The national census for England and Wales has come out, and, as usual, this
once-a-decade event has had all of... 阅读全帖
D*V
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来自主题: Salon版 - Germany blasts Britain
Germany blasts Britain
See the link below:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/25/germany-uk-gchq-intern
Germany blasts Britain over GCHQ's secret cable trawl
Minister questions legality of mass tapping of calls and internet and
demands to know extent to which Germans were targeted
Cameron and Merkel
David Cameron and Angela Merkel. The German government's letter is the first
major challenge to the UK over its data-trawling opera... 阅读全帖
b*****e
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来自主题: Talk版 - abcnews: Obama's Pastor:
right, they will get some pundits, such as martin, amy saying those words are
unrelated to O and ppl attacking O are ridiculous.
E*V
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【 以下文字转载自 LosAngeles 讨论区 】
发信人: chairman ( 8====o ~~ /*), 信区: LosAngeles
标 题: 美国人对中国人游行抗议的看法
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Nov 10 02:23:13 2013, 美东)
http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/11/09/40291/asian-americans-prote
The punchline came when he interviewed the Asian-American child. He was
making fun of the infantile mentality of jingoistic American pundits and
sadly, way too many Americans. Too bad too many Americans (and Chinese) are
too stupid to see it. He wasn't demeaning Chinese, he was demeaning
stupidit... 阅读全帖
s*********8
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来自主题: USANews版 - Hillary: 坚持就是胜利
Many pro-Obama pundits and pro-Obama democratic big losers (Kerry, Pelosi,
and most recently Bill Richardson) want to force Hillary to drop out in the
name of "the unity of the democratic party" and "in order to win November".
Why? Because they know the longer this battle goes, the less likely BHO will
get the nomination. BHO wants to finish it as soon as possible before his
true nature is exposed to everyone.
For Hillary, she should keep this race as long as possible. She has nothing
to hide, s
m*****n
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来自主题: USANews版 - I hate these media, these pundits
They alway seem to know everything;
Before, they know everything;
After, they still know everything.
They just don't tell you;
They just don't share with you.
They are always right;
They are always conceited.
C*****t
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来自主题: USANews版 - Lieberman 2006
Joe Lieberman 2006年续任参议院席位是没有赢得民主党的提名,不得
不成为独立候选人参选。当时把他选下去的对手Lamont也是被moveon.org
支持的候选人。
尽管Lieberman在州内的民调很高,polls说明他能够打败共和党人当选,
但是他却未能拿到自己党内提名(well, 也可以说他自己先退出,
whichever way you wanna call it.)
pundits对于Liberman最初的失利很兴奋,他们做出的预言如下:
1. 以后的选举是互联网的革命,Lamont在internet上表现尤其出色。
2. 任何和共和党走得太近,路线太central的议员,结局都不太妙。
因为民主党被左翼极端分子hijacked了!
3. Iraq war是唯一的评判。Liberman voted for the war, he's over.
Lamont只需攻击他这么一点就够了。
最近重新翻了一下Liberman 2006竞选时的一些政评。发现2008果然是一
曲老调重弹。这里总是提起Liberman的人也不少,当然,我不觉得希拉里
有必要/有可能作为独立候
k**********e
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该文章为kingslandlee原创,仅代表作者本人观点。
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After the secret meetings with the party elders, Dean made following moves
1. Sent all the pundits and elders to urge her to quit and offered Hillary
a so called a bow out prize-
2. Change the rules of the election
No convention, all superdelegates should decide before June
FL and MI's delegates will be seated after the nomination which means they
will be counted but have no impact on the results under the name for the
good of democratic party.
3. Sent a faked c
D*****t
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Real Journalists Don't Make
$5 Million A Year
By Chris Hedges
29 June, 2008
Truthdig
Washington has become Versailles. We are ruled, entertained and informed by
courtiers. The popular media are courtiers. The Democrats, like the
Republicans, are courtiers. Our pundits and experts are courtiers. We are
captivated by the hollow stagecraft of political theater as we are
ruthlessly stripped of power. It is smoke and mirrors, tricks and con games.
We are being had.
The past week was a good one if you
D*****t
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Real Journalists Don't Make $5 Million a Year
By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted June 26, 2008.
Washington has become Versailles. We are ruled, entertained and informed by
courtiers. The popular media are courtiers. The Democrats, like the
Republicans, are courtiers. Our pundits and experts are courtiers. We are
captivated by the hollow stagecraft of political theater as we are
ruthlessly stripped of power. It is smoke and mirrors, tricks and con games.
We are being had.
The past week was a good
a*f
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来自主题: USANews版 - The McCain ship is sinking.
Today on This Week (ABC) Conservative Pundit George Will declared that
McCain was decidedly un-presidential is his unexpected call for the firing
of SEC Chairman Chris Cox, Sam Donaldson. He questions if McCain in the last
week has lost his only hope for the presidency, that he is the one who
would best handle a crisis.
This is what Will said. "I suppose the McCain campaign's hope is that when
there's a big crisis, people will go for age and experience. The question is
, who in this crisis looke
K*Q
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来自主题: USANews版 - The State of the Campaign
Rick Davis, McCain-Palin Campaign to me
show details 5:29 PM (9 minutes ago) Reply
To:Interested Parties
From:Rick Davis, Campaign Manager
Date: October 31, 2008
RE: The Final Push
The State of the Campaign
If your television is tuned to cable news as frequently as ours are here
at campaign headquarters, you have seen the pundits say John McCain and his
campaign are done. And, if you've followed this race since the beginning
, this is clearly a song you've heard before. I wanted to take some tim
y***n
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来自主题: USANews版 - 写在大选前夜
明天,Nov. 4th,将是老马的节日。
戎马半生,刚正不阿的老马明天将在全美50个州以及D.C.和MSM的独养儿子展开血战。
明天,无数的人将带着"witness history"的目的,欢欣鼓舞得去为老马"送终"。
明天,也有无数的人将默默的去polling station, 庄严的投上他们的 political 不
correct 的选票。
MSM在明天7点以后会继续他们的spin, exiting poll肯定会搅乱我的心情,有选择性的
选民采访和一边倒的pundits 品论肯定也会让我很窝火,可是熬了几个月了,再熬几个
小时又有什么大不了的呢?
因为我知道!
明天这个时候,老马会carry Pennsylvania! carry Ohio! carry Florida!
明天这个时候,老马会carry the whole country!
明天将是老马的节日!
y*m
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恩,伴随着里根被踢飞,狡猾的pundit开出了88伪币的价钱,大师从不从?
c*****r
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来自主题: USANews版 - Waste of opportunity
In stead of turning central, his choice is to appease the left, and to
challenge and conflict with the republicans:
Global warming, healthcare, gay marriage are all on the agenda; blame the TV
pundits for people's anger ...
p******e
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For the past few months, we have heard powerful, passionate arguments about
the need to cut America's massive budget deficit. Republican senators have
claimed that we are in danger of permanently crippling the economy.
Conservative economists and pundits warn of a Greece-like crisis in which
America will be able to borrow only at exorbitant interest rates. So when an
opportunity presents itself to cut those deficits by about a quarter --
more than $300 billion! -- permanently and relatively easi
l****z
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精英的傲慢:奥巴马说的和刚离任的多伦多市长一样,一再说选民不感激他们达成的成就
There’s good reason the masses are revolting
My best friends are wonderful people – talented, accomplished, generous,
smart and caring. So it’s hard to see them in such fear and pain. The way
they see it, the Visigoths have battered down the gates of Rome, and the
Vestal Virgins had better scramble for cover. In the aftermath of Toronto’s
election rout, their only consolation is that Rob Ford is probably too
stupid and incompetent to completely sack the pl... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - 佩林的影响力更大了
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/03/earlyshow/main7017707.shtml
(CBS) Most of the candidates Sarah Palin endorsed chalked up victories
Tuesday.
And that scorecard leaves pundits wondering whether she'll now train her
sights directly on the Republican presidential nomination in 2012.
As CBS News Correspondent Jeff Glor reports, .the former GOP vice
presidential nominee backed 43 candidates for the House. Thirty of them won,
with races involving nine others still undecided.
All Election 201... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Why Does the Media Love to Pick On Palin?
By John Lott
Published November 30, 2010
The media just loves to hate Sarah Palin. And, if polls are to be believed,
the constant media bombardment has hurt her standing among many independents
.
Unfortunately, over the last couple of weeks, even conservative media
pundits such as Mona Charen, Peggy Noonan, George Will, Joe Scarborough and
Matt Labash see these attacks and warn that she can’t win the presidency.
They even buy into the attacks on her judg... 阅读全帖
l****z
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如果不提佩林,左倾的有线电视网MSNBC不知道怎么活,有关佩林的内容超过其他有线
电视网
Sarah Palin: MSNBC's Obsession With Her
10:03 AM 1/27/2011 by Paul Bond
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Illustration: Kat Shady
This week's Hollywood Reporter magazine tallies how many times the left-
leaning network discusses her (it's more than Fox) and how a reality star
with sinking approval ratings is vital to its survival.
The following article appears in this week's issue of The Hollywood Reporter
on newsstands Thursday.
Now that Keith Olbermann... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Obama's Foxy Evasions
By Jan LaRue
Bill O'Reilly's interview of President Obama on Fox News just prior to the
Super Bowl confirmed that he remains a self-absorbed leftist.
Now that he's ardently denied moving to the political center, maybe pundits
and Republicans like Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) will finally get it, unless
they naïvely believe he's been there all along.
Obama's responses qualified for more penalty flags than were thrown during
the game. His reaction to the crisis in Egypt is similar to his comme... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Obama's Carter Moment
Posted by Michael Avitablile
Published: February 9, 2011 - 6:05 AM
Cross-Posted at Pundit Press:
By now the comparison between President Barack Obama and former-President
Jimmy Carter is well established. Both Presidents came to power only after
the overhyped "death" of the Republican Party in 1976 and 2008, both
Presidents had promised renewed peace and talks with our chief (which both
failed), and under both Presidents, the economy faltered.
Yet, with uprisings in Egypt sweeping their nation,... 阅读全帖
l****z
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AWOL Democrats Experiencing ‘Dissension in the Ranks’, Coalition To
Subvert Democratic Process May Be Cracking
Never again can the Democratic Party be seen as a democratic Party.
They have purposefully subverted the very democratic process that they are
named after in both WI and IL. But the heat is on them for doing so, na
thanks to the establishment MSM that refuses to hold their feet to the fire.
From Fox Nation via memeorandum: Exclusive: AWOL Democrats Experiencing ‘
Dissension in the Ranks... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Liberalism Metastasizing
Liberalism Metastasizing: Union Members Shout Profanities and Intimidate
Lawmakers in Kansas
Liberalism is a cancer rotting our culture from the inside out. The writing
was on the wall that government unions were getting sniffed out for who they
were - a money laundering operation to force taxpayers to fund the
Democratic Party. The mask came off and revealed that these unions are full
of hate-mongering thuggish commie goons. And it's spreading. Via Gateway
Pundit:
The video of the outburst last... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - OBAMA'S LEGACY: STAGFLATION
By DICK MORRIS
Published on TheHill.com on March 1, 2011
Obama's failure to support America's allies in the Middle East and his
dithering endorsement of chaos in the region will send oil and gasoline
prices skyrocketing, triggering a massive bout of stagflation. This vicious
cycle of rising prices, decreased consumption, and ever higher prices (as
vendors seek to recover higher fixed costs) will cripple the American
economy for years to come.
This is Obama's true legacy.
Consider what he has don... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Gasoline and Dollars: Supply and Demand
By Steve McCann
Gasoline has exceeded or approached $5.00 per gallon in some parts of the
United States long before the normal peak travel season has begun. Already
the politicians, headline writers, and some cable and talk show pundits are
pointing to the usual suspects. But they have avoided or are unaware of
where the fault actually lies.
One of the foundational tenets of economics is what is known as the law of
supply and demand. Normally whenever a product or commodity is in short
supply... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Your Take: A Driving Tax?
by Jim
There are reports of an undated draft of a plan to tax car drivers based on
how many miles they drive. The White House was quick to say that it wasn’t
an Administration proposal, just an idea that’s been floating around but
never formally circulated. In other words, it’s just an idea. While pundits
on both sides will try to spin this issue one way or another, the question
of whether we should be taxing drivers based on mileage is a good one. I don
’t know if the draft is worth reading sin... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Game Over: WI Supreme Court reinstates collective bargaining law, blasts
activist judge
Jun 15, 2011
Late yesterday, the rule of law won, judicial activism lost. The Wisconsin
Supreme Court blasted a lower court activist judge from legislating from the
bench, and reinstated the union law passed by the legislature and signed
into law by Governor Scott Walker. From JS Online via memeorandum: Supreme
Court reinstates collective bargaining law
Acting with unusual speed, the state Supreme Court on Tu... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Ultimate Justice
Posted by Jay Tea
Published: July 4, 2011 - 10:15 AM
This day, the 235th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of
Independence and the day we consider our nation's "birthday," seems an
appropriate topic to discuss a question that has possibly brought up more
Constitutional questions than any other:
The death penalty.
As odd as it sounds for such a weighty matter, I really don't have any
strong feelings on the matter. It's almost purely an intellectual issue for
me; I don't have a lot of ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Seven Myths About the Looming Debt-Ceiling 'Disaster'
By John Lott
Published July 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com
If Congress and the president don't raise the debt ceiling, the consequences
will be disastrous, politicians and pundits tell us, -- the equivalent of
an economic Armageddon. And President Obama warns that the consequences are
so dire that he cannot possibly tolerate any delay in making an agreement.
He announced yesterday that any debt deal must be completed by today, July
15th.
According to... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - The Obama Problem
By Monty Pelerin
The Obama Problem is simple to explain but impossible to solve. The problem
is Obama himself, and most people not named Barack or Michelle understand
that.
President Obama's political career is in free-fall. He will not be
reelected. Many Democrats and media personalities now understand what
appeared impossible even mere months ago.
Mr. Obama burst onto the political scene as a relatively unknown wunderkind.
He could read a mean teleprompter and did so with fanfare at the 2... 阅读全帖
l****z
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“占领华尔街示威者是白痴,你看他们的采访就知道他们是傻瓜,但他们后面是ACORN
,索罗斯和民主党的核心,因此我们要加以关注”,保守派Horowitz说
Horowitz: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are 'Idiots'
Thursday, 17 Nov 2011 01:33 PM
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Conservative activist and author David Horowitz tells Newsmax that the
Occupy Wall Street protesters are “morons” being exploited by the
organized left.
He also says the Republican presidential candidate could win in a... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - There are simply no boundaries
January 3, 2012 | Posted by Rick Rice
Rick Santorum will have to expect more of this if he continues to garner
support:
SantorumDuring the question and answer portion of Rick Santorum’s
second to last campaign event of the day, a voter brought up a painful
memory from the former Pennsylvania senator’s past.
At a Pizza Ranch restaurant in Newton, Iowa, a member of the audience
asked Santorum to react to a controversial attack leveled by liberal Fox
News contributor Alan Colmes, who call... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - 海军陆战队的清白
海军陆战队的清白:05年开始的Haditha案,对于最初的杀死伊拉克平民的指控,8个涉
案美军全部无罪
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The U.S. Marine sergeant accused of leading a
massacre of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha pleaded guilty on Monday to
dereliction of duty, ending the final prosecution stemming from a 2005
incident that brought international condemnation of U.S. troops.
Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich, 31, entered his plea at Camp Pendleton Marine
Corps base north of San Diego as part of a deal with military prosecutors
in which more serious... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Obama's attacks on religion is turning away believers.
by Jim Hoft
02/04/2012
Last week Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan lashed out at the Obama
Administration for forcing religious organizations to go out into the
marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience. New Obama
regulations will force Christian organizations to provide free
contraceptives, sterilizations and abortion drugs to workers even though
this violates Catholic Church teaching. The new rules are so strict that
most... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - If a Republican did it . . .
March 20, 2012 | Posted by David Robertson
. . . then liberal pundits and liberal members of the media would be crying
“Foul!” Here is the story:
The White House has admitted to telling news agencies to pull stories on
Malia Obama visiting Mexico for spring break, Politico reports.
Apparently the Obama White House overlooked the news agencies the Ottawa
Citizen and the Montreal Gazette , because they continue to carry a story
about Malia Obama’s visit to Mexico.
On the one hand, I wish that... 阅读全帖
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Published March 24, 2012 | FoxNews.com
Tea Party supporters rallied Saturday in Washington to oppose President
Obama's government health care law, two days before the Supreme Court
considers the constitutionality of the legislation.
"We want our freedom back," former GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain
told hundreds of ralliers standing in the rain in Upper Senate Park, a few
hundred yards from the steps of the Supreme Court. "That's what this is
about, the freedom to choose our own doctors …... 阅读全帖
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April 10, 2012 Posted by Warner Todd Huston
This is the sort of thing that makes these idiotic Occupy whatevers… well,
idiots.
Via Marathon Pundit, a cadre of comrades in the Occupy Chicago “movement”
decided it would be a cool idea to have a “fare strike” and crash Chicago
’s mass transit system in order to ride for free.
When Ruberry asked the gaudily masked nut what a fare strike was, he said
that it means we pay “zero” to ride the bus and/or the train.
“It’s when a lot of people show u... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: USANews版 - Liberals Are In Disarray
June 9, 2012 by TWB
To say that liberals, and more specifically democrats, are in a state of
disorder over the upcoming Presidential election would be a major
understatement. Liberal pundits and politicians are throwing every possible
excuse up against the proverbial wall hoping that something will stick;
hoping that something, anything, will turn the tide for their guy, who by
all previous estimations, should be running away with this election without
the slightest worry that he’ll not gain t... 阅读全帖
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Posted By Josh Rogin Thursday, July 5, 2012 - 4:03 PM Share
Echoing the laments of pundits like Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, U
.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood argued Saturday that China outpaces
the United States in building major transportation infrastructure like high-
speed rail because of its authoritarian system and because the Chinese don't
have the Republican Party holding up progress.
"The Chinese are more successful [in building infrastructure] because in
their country... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: USANews版 - Mitt Romney's Time to Choose
By Steve McCann
Throughout the history of the United States, whenever the dark clouds of
apprehension, fear, and adversity cast a long shadow over the nation, a
leader has emerged to successfully guide America into even greater
prosperity and achievement. Men such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln,
and Ronald Reagan understood that among the many duties of the president of
the United States, the most important was to instill faith and an unbridled
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By: David Harsanyi Follow @DavidHarsanyi
7/20/2012 03:46 PM
Listening to the crush of media coverage and the sickening politicization of
the murders in Colorado, we should not let it escape our attention that
despite all the violence and sadness brought on by this event — I lived in
Denver for years, and I’ve taken my children to the Aurora theater, so I
get it — most of us live in a far safer place than our parents.
All day, I’ve watched television pundits talk about the country as if we
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