n***y
发帖数: 69 | 1 1年拿到h1b quota， 12年1月就被裁了，转成b2然后就回国了。
上个月公司short-term assign来到美国。b1，顺便找了家公司。现在在办理转h1b。
我想问的是：
1.我的h1b quota还在吧，应该还能继续使用我11年的quota吧。
2.我的h1b还剩几年？5年9个月么？还是3年？
3.有哪位清楚这样的h1b办理流程么？我什么时候可以入职？是拿到approval后境内办
理cos？还是必须回国拿H1B签证？
4.如果回国拿签证，我需要注意什么？
谢谢各位大牛了。 |
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e****s
发帖数: 56 | 2 Your spouse's I-130 will be approved, it's just a matter of time. But please
note that I-130 has to be approved to be in consideration of quota. In
another words, only approved I-130 gives a priority date to be in subject of
visa quota; not pending I-130's.
H1 is an inevitable route to keep her legal until the quota becomes
available. |
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z******i
发帖数: 721 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 Returnee 讨论区 】
发信人: zhengshi (zhengshi), 信区: Returnee
标 题: Re: 突然想到的关于海归海不归
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 26 17:51:11 2011, 美东)
Another reason:
US passed Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882 barring Chinese from entering US,
not mentioning immigration.
In 1904 Chinese exclusion made indefinite and applicable to U.S. insular
possessions.
1924 May 26. President Calvin Coolidge signs into law the Immigration Act
of 1924, also known as the Quota Immigration or National Origins Act. It
excludes the im... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******t
发帖数: 7746 | 4 原来的485 timeline被人设密码了，打不开。现在经置顶的timeline是好心的
truestory的backup，不过是很旧的版本。我是昨天update我的timeline的。
估计谁也不知道USCIS是如何操作的。但我知道就算没有quota了，IO还是在处理485的
，处理好的485（Pre-adjudicated 485),等有quota就能很快批。我自己的case就是这
样，9月时EB1 485 quota用完了，但我的case在9/28 Pre-adjudicated，10月份SR就批
了。 |
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b*******e
发帖数: 24532 | 5 The thing that I worried about turns out to be the reality.
In the past august, we saw large tide of green from TSC, one after another,
indicating the high usage of EB1 quota as well. However, the most horrible
thing will be that EB1C usage from India will continue to escalate in the
future considering the long waiting period for EB2I. Therefore, we will
never see EB1 as freely used as before.
Indeed, earlier this year, EB2IC both overused the quota this year.
Then it may be possible that we wi... 阅读全帖 |
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R****9
发帖数: 375 | 6 GXGX!
Especially GXGX you are TSC. NSC sucks! Everything delays.
I have a question --- it seems TSC processes much faster than NSC, that
means it uses more quota, so there are less quota for NSC. what if there is
no quota left? even we, those people in NSC, have prior PD? |
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s********e
发帖数: 542 | 7 这个问题我在板上问过，大家的回答是h1b 6年快过期，同时485 pending的情况下也可
以。
我自己目前正在和学校的HR办理续h1b，他们申请的是续1年。
我看过AC21的法律条文，貌似485pending，同时申请人国家的visa quota还没有用完的
时候，严格意义上不能续。但我想，对这个条例的解读可以不同，因为practically,
485pending的时间不可预测，因为目前485处理速度很慢，至少对中国印度都是1年左右
才能批下来，有可能1年半到2年，所以即使申请h1b延期的时候该国visa quota还没有
用完，也无法保证在h1b过期的时候，quota是否用完或用不完，所以实际的情况是
pending的时候可以续一年。
如果140批准了但485还没有current，那么可以续3年。 |
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k*******0
发帖数: 256 | 8 so every body please contact congressmen of your area. ask them to stick it
into some bill. the key points is (1) congress has authrized quota, (2)
there are enough qualified applicants, (3) it is wrong for USCIS not use the
quota to approve applications while there are both quota and applicants. |
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c**s
发帖数: 3796 | 9 The data of NIU shows EB-3 got much less than it should get so far. EB-2
already got half an year quota.
Did the lobby help EB-3 got you guys's green card quota? if not, why invest
more?
Yes, lobby told you over 2600 quota allocated to Eb-3. but how many of them
got approved?
The eb-3's problem is cut-off day, similar like eb-2. go fight by lawsuit. |
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l*******r
发帖数: 218 | 10 Dear Sir/Madam,
I have some questions that I can not really understand. I wonder if anyone at USCIS/DOS ever thinking about these issues.
(1) I always heard that "7% is a quota, but it not guaranteed". AC21 is a spillover, if a country like China, its quota can not be satified, why AC21 provision, which is a spillover to an oversubscribed nation, can be justified and fair? what is the logic behind this argument? Is EB2C (using their own quota) inferior than EB2I (using AC21)?
(2) When did USCIS |
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g******c
发帖数: 218 | 11 P838, thanks for your data.
I have two questions.
1. Is it possible that I485 is approved in Oct with visa quotas from old FY
? Reasons that this could happen include time to process and overwhelm
workload in Sept by Sudden cutoff movement.
2. If this is possible, can you recall what Mr. O said/wrote? Did he mean
actual approval in FY10 or FY10 visa quotas used?
If FY10 visa quotas used is 32K so far for EB2, I can't imagine how smart
people can give EB2I 7K in July while total balance for E |
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R********r
发帖数: 3415 | 12 Green-card blues
A backlash against foreign workers dims business hopes for immigration
reform
Oct 28th 2010 | Washington, dc
BAD as relations are between business and the Democrats, immigration was
supposed to be an exception. On that topic the two have long had a marriage
of convenience, with business backing comprehensive reform in order to
obtain more skilled foreign workers.
That, at least, was what was meant to happen. In March Chuck Schumer, a
Democratic senator, and Lindsey Graham, a Rep... 阅读全帖 |
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G****y
发帖数: 3537 | 13 ================Copied from IV
For 2011 EB2 without spillover
China: August'2006 and India: May'2006
Monthly ~250 allocation is not good enough to cover pending cases prior to
May 2006. prior to May'2006 no.of pending cases are close to 2700 cases, so
this year quota is good enough to clear these pending cases. With porting we
may also see Unavailable down the time.
This leaves for 2006 pending cases
China - 2950
India - 11800 . total ~15K
If we get spill over of 14K then EB2 India & China will ... 阅读全帖 |
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x***y
发帖数: 830 | 14 from http://www.immigration-law.com/
01/12/2011: Full Text of Rep. Issa's Bill, H.R. 43, to Terminate Immigration
Lottery and Use its 55,000 Visa Numbers for New EB-2 Category for U.S. Adva
nce Degree Holders in Sciences and Medicine
This is not the first time that a bill has been introduced in the Congress t
o terminate immigration lottery program, but repeatedly defeated in the Cong
ress. As readers may appreciate it from reading of the full text of this bil
l, the scope of this bill is somewh... 阅读全帖 |
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d******8
发帖数: 1972 | 15 Today, 05:13 PM
gcwait2007
Given below is the present position:
Comparison of cumulative demand data for EB2 India, since Oct 2010:
Source: EB2-I USCIS Data - Immigration Wiki
Month Oct-10 Nov-10 Dec-10 Jan-11 Feb-11
CY-2006 13125 13150 13125 13150 13175
CY-2007 22850 22850 22825 22900 22975
CY-2010 22925 23000 22925 23000 23025
The above data can be interpreted that EB3I to EB2I porting happens and that
demand matches or almost over takes the supply/ availability of visas.
The published Visa B... 阅读全帖 |
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A****S
发帖数: 978 | 16 The main reason for wasting quota was that USCIS didn't review enough cases
to use quota.
It only happened before 2007.
From 2007 they never wasted any visa because they started the practice of "
pre adjusted". They have reviewed enough EB2 C&I cases in advance. All these
cases are ready for approval once the quota is available. |
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H******i
发帖数: 4704 | 17 作者：xiaking 来源版面：落地生根(EB2EB3) 发文时间: 2010年06月22日 19:31:
27
前段时间看到niu给议员campain，希望他们监督eb2 spillover。 我觉得这个难度比较
大，因为议员负责立法，eb2 spillover具体行为属于政府部门，政府部门随便一个理
由就可以搪塞掉议员的质询信，我们要从根本上解决的问题是7%的quota cap. 我们的
议员campain应该从立法的角度上来更高层面的解决这个问题。我看到iv上面一封印度
人给议员的信，我觉得大家可以借鉴一下
Dear Senator,
I am a legal immigrant in the United States and I have been living in CA for
5 years approximately and in the United States for close to 7 years. I have
a Masters degree in Engineering from xxxxxx Univ and I have been wor... 阅读全帖 |
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H******i
发帖数: 4704 | 18 作者：xiaking 来源版面：落地生根(EB2EB3) 发文时间: 2010年06月22日 19:31:
27
前段时间看到niu给议员campain，希望他们监督eb2 spillover。 我觉得这个难度比较
大，因为议员负责立法，eb2 spillover具体行为属于政府部门，政府部门随便一个理
由就可以搪塞掉议员的质询信，我们要从根本上解决的问题是7%的quota cap. 我们的
议员campain应该从立法的角度上来更高层面的解决这个问题。我看到iv上面一封印度
人给议员的信，我觉得大家可以借鉴一下
Dear Senator,
I am a legal immigrant in the United States and I have been living in CA for
5 years approximately and in the United States for close to 7 years. I have
a Masters degree in Engineering from xxxxxx Univ and I have been wor... 阅读全帖 |
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H******i
发帖数: 4704 | 19 甲： 君说服奥本否？
乙： 噫嘘唏，危呼难哉。匹夫居高临下，一夫当官，万夫莫开。
甲： 君泼墨千尺，奋书万言，鼠辈如何抵挡？
乙： 噫嘘唏，危呼难哉。匹夫执鸡鸡之毛，当作令箭。吾从东土大唐而来，毛发稀少
，无以为敌。
甲： 鼠辈其实无令箭也，所执鸡鸡之毛，不过是虚张声势，色厉内荏而已。君若怒发
冲冠，发皓声以震日月，鼠辈必然溃不成军、以头抢地。
乙： 噫嘘唏，危呼难哉。匹夫固然是虚张声势，色厉内荏，然而其所执鸡鸡之毛，源
于PD，却是形似令箭。吾遍寻上下，找到一物，乃是国别，待吾操之欲与匹夫一博，却
因国别与quota乃是同根所生，最被quota所克，于是被匹夫左手举quota相迎，右手执
鸡毛砍杀。吾不才，折戟沉沙，无功而返。
甲： 鼠辈如此得意，法理何以堪？ 双方皆无法理，莫若以人情世故动之？
乙： 噫嘘唏，危呼难哉。吾晓之以情，动之以理。匹夫无以对，鸣金收兵，在不复出
也。
甲： 快哉！鼠辈知耻而退矣！
乙： 非也！匹夫非败退也，匹夫见吾祭出人情世故，于是知道无法分出上下高低，双
方纵然赤膊肉战五百余合，也未必能分胜负，不若高悬免战牌，以逸待劳。
甲： 君可扬刀立马，于阵前骂战！... 阅读全帖 |
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s******a
发帖数: 52 | 20 这两句话的意思有问题啊。
The Immigration Law INA 201 specifies that the employment based green
card has a minimum annual quota of 140,000, and not to exceed in any
^^^^^^^^^^^^
of the first 3 quarters of any fiscal year 27 percent of this annual
quota for all of such fiscal year.
If DOS can follow the law and allocate 27% of the annual quota in the
first three quarters, it will play a very positive role in alleviating
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the backlog. |
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H******i
发帖数: 4704 | 21 任何一个政治请愿都只代表一部分人的利益而不是所有人的利益。
初稿与二稿受到了很多人的支持，也受到了很多人的反对。我们没有满足于朋友们的好
评，却仔细聆听反对者的异议。有些持反对意见的朋友不善于表达自己的逻辑，为此我
们将他们中最有代表意义的理论总结出来，并因为他们的担忧而改变初衷，将此次请愿
局限于EB2，详情请见另外一贴：http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/EB23/31425023.html
Subject: Separate I-485 Submission from Visa Bulletin for EB2 Petitioners
Dear Mr. President,
We have experience and skills that are complementary to those of Americans.
We spend our best years helping American companies become more globally
competitive. We have advanced degrees, abi... 阅读全帖 |
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p***e
发帖数: 29053 | 22 Oct cut off day question:
assumption: EB2C need to use 2500 number to move to 07/15/2007
does this 2500 numbers belonging to the our own 2800 quota?
EB2I definitively uses all their own quota and some SO already.
would it possibly for NIU to fight for use SO first then own quota later in
the last quarter of facial year? |
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t*****e
发帖数: 2206 | 23 http://www.ilw.com/articles/2011,1110-endelman.shtm
Right now, the INA permits the issuance of 140,000 employment-based
immigrant visas each fiscal year with the nationals of any one country
limited to 7% of that total. Under HR 3012, the so-called Fairness for High-
Skilled Workers Act, would remove the per country cap on EB migration
entirely, raise the cap on family migration to 15%, and stop taking 1,000
numbers from EB-2 China to compensate for the Chinese Student Protection Act
. Ther... 阅读全帖 |
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r**********d
发帖数: 510 | 24 my understanding is that it will move forward to collect more cases than
number of quota available for the year. because USCIS is not very efficient
, it needs to approve these easy cases first and leave harder ones for
later. so if there are 40K quota, it will need about 60K cases, assuming
60% of the cases are low hanging fruits. based on this post, PD will
move to 20110101 at least, because they would rather collect more cases than
wasting quota. just my understanding from this post... 阅读全帖 |
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s******t
发帖数: 926 | 25 Thanks to dymu!
Now I believe this summer Cutoff should be in early 2010.
UPDATED:
Dec/Jan filings to TSC/NSC = 52k
Based on FY 2011, EB2IC got around 40k quota and EB3 had 40k. This leaves 140k-40-40=60k to EB1/2ROW/4/5 filers. Around 5k per month. Let's assume this year it is slightly higher at 5.5k per month, so 11k in those 2 months. Deduct this and we have 41k.
Refugees are estimated by dymu as 10k per month, 20k in those 2 months. We now have ONLY 21k left for EB2CI.
As other EB had 5.5k p... 阅读全帖 |
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p***s
发帖数: 584 | 26 http://www.trackitt.com/uk-discussion-forums/i485-eb/987897883/
There is such sentence:
Employment Second:
Worldwide: Potential need for cut-off date to be established
China and India: Potentially “Unavailable”
This means ROW EB2 might have a cut-off date and have to wait for visas in
following months! The reason is that DOL has assigned a lot more visas to
India/China than their country quota (7%) in EB2, as a result ROW cannot
have enough to keep Current.
ROW guys, this is obviously against im... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********h
发帖数: 331 | 27 http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/digest/2012,0626.shtm
Comment: Grassley Makes Deal With Schumer - In news potentially bigger in
impact than Mr. Obama's momentous announcement of Deferred Action for
DREAMers, Sen. Grassley, Republican of Iowa (Ranking Member of the Judiciary
committee), has after many years of holding up employment immigration
matters in the Senate, finally made a deal with Sen. Schumer, Democrat of
New York (Chairman of the Immigration Sub-committee). The compromise
mandates... 阅读全帖 |
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M******n
发帖数: 77 | 28 之前有批准但是没有使用的H1B(subjected to the quota)。也就是说公司sponsor的
H1B批准了，但是在当年的Oct 1st 之前跳到了大学又有了H1B not subjected to the
quota，并且一直使用。如果现在想申请公司的工作(need the H1B subjected to the
quota)，可以用我最早的那个没有使用的H1B做H1B transfer吗？ |
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m**x
发帖数: 8454 | 29 are you saying if eb3c has not used its quota, the quota can be provided to
eb2c?
of course I know eb3c will always used up its quota |
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R****9
发帖数: 375 | 30 right now EB3C has advanced to Oct2011, who can guarantee that it can not
reach 2500? Nobody. I see a person whose PD is 10/2009, and he should be
eligible to submit 485 in Sepetember, but he submitted until Nov, so who can
accurately estimate demand? And the quota also covers spouse, so don't
underestimate the demand.
Eb2从EB1 and EB2 row 拿quota; EB2耻笑Eb3,现在又来抢EB3的quota,这世界公平吗?
还给自己一个冠冕堂皇的理由.....!!!! |
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R****9
发帖数: 375 | 31 right now EB3C has advanced to Oct2011, who can guarantee that it can not
reach 2500? Nobody. I see a person whose PD is 10/2009, and he should be
eligible to submit 485 in Sepetember, but he submitted until Nov, so who can
accurately estimate demand? And the quota also covers spouse, so don't
underestimate the demand.
Eb2从EB1 and EB2 row 拿quota; EB2耻笑Eb3,现在又来抢EB3的quota,这世界公平吗?
还给自己一个冠冕堂皇的理由.....!!!! |
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t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 32 主要还是上世纪90年代后期到2004年以前，每年十几万H1B,主要都是烙印，再加上H4家
属，累计数量达到Million级别。就现在技术移民的Quota，加上SO也不够啊。这几年的
烙印因为H1B减少少了点，但和EB限额的数量比，还是很大的。
美国现行的移民系统就是这样：难民政治庇护无Quota，技术移民Quota非常严格。中国
一年拿3万-4万的难民政庇，比全世界技术移民的SO还多。我党再不民主，每年迫害那
么多人?迫害人，比方关监狱，比方逮捕，都是有成本，要消耗社会资源的，我党有那
么二吗？这个二逼移民系统，就是逼着正常人正直人去说谎，去Cheat。说谎的1年2年
拿卡，不说谎排5年10年。 |
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t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 33 主要还是上世纪90年代后期到2004年以前，每年十几万H1B,主要都是烙印，再加上H4家
属，累计数量达到Million级别。就现在技术移民的Quota，加上SO也不够啊。这几年的
烙印因为H1B减少少了点，但和EB限额的数量比，还是很大的。
美国现行的移民系统就是这样：难民政治庇护无Quota，技术移民Quota非常严格。中国
一年拿3万-4万的难民政庇，比全世界技术移民的SO还多。我党再不民主，每年迫害那
么多人?迫害人，比方关监狱，比方逮捕，都是有成本，要消耗社会资源的，我党有那
么二吗？这个二逼移民系统，就是逼着正常人正直人去说谎，去Cheat。说谎的1年2年
拿卡，不说谎排5年10年。 |
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l*******n
发帖数: 8388 | 34 eb3退到11.4 就不动了，说明两种可能性
1. 之前放水到12.10，ROW今年的quota用完了，所以11.4是一个安全位置，在这之前的
PD基本没有了（就跟3C 退到06年一样）
2. 之前放水到12.10，ROW今年的quota尚有少许。 而PD在11.4之前的case基本可以保
证用完这些剩余quota，所以ROW卡在这里，cis还可以继续批这些case。
现在未知是哪一种。所以我说”甚至ROW现在都不一定是（真排期）”。 |
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c*********2
发帖数: 2752 | 35 basically -
eb2 for fiscal year 2015, forward 3-5 weeks each month, didn't mention 放水。
eb3 放水again， eb2如果降级多， 会导致eb3大副后退 AGAIN。
USCIS Visa Bulletin Prediction For Fiscal Year 2015
The American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) recently met again with
Charles Oppenheim to discuss the current demand and expected movements in
various visa bulletin categories.
Charles Oppenheim is the Chief of the Visa Control and Reporting Division
within Department of State (DOS).
Please see the important det... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********2
发帖数: 2752 | 36 basically -
eb2 for fiscal year 2015, forward 3-5 weeks each month, didn't mention 放水。
eb3 放水again， eb2如果降级多， 会导致eb3大副后退 AGAIN。
USCIS Visa Bulletin Prediction For Fiscal Year 2015
The American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) recently met again with
Charles Oppenheim to discuss the current demand and expected movements in
various visa bulletin categories.
Charles Oppenheim is the Chief of the Visa Control and Reporting Division
within Department of State (DOS).
Please see the important det... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******n
发帖数: 4402 | 37 多样性是个空话，因为某些移民的类别是没有Quota的，这样这一类的人就会越来越多
，如果真要多样性，那就给所以移民类别都加上Quota，这个才是真的Quota.
发信人: woaitongji (作萨涅最近), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: 看好Political Dynamics向着piece by piece立法的方向发展
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 22 00:49:24 2014, 美东)
是啊，所以什么7%阿，多样性阿，都是官样文章。美国人口大变动的各个周期包括现在
的大赦，什么时候有多样性 |
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f*x
发帖数: 440 | 38 这个还是利益所在。已经有排期的，不希望取消quota，可以早拿卡； 将来要排期的人
希望取消quota，以后可以快点。
现在的quota,听说以前的中国人搞出来的。因为这样可以快绿 |
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S*******u
发帖数: 727 | 39 还好吧。我也没做错啥事。LAID OFF 也是因为去年QUOTA 没拿到，导致我一边上课一
边上班。他们才找人REPLACE ME的。
他们其实也不懂，就是律师跟他们说怎么操作。因为律师是我找的，也知道拿到QUOTA
的不容易，就替我保留QUOTA.
谢谢你。 |
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x***4
发帖数: 1815 | 40 gang of eight 的法案在wiki有总结。
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_
Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013
我的理解：
eb1和有美国工作的美国stem ms/phd不需要quota，不再需要排期。eb2和eb3各占40%的
eb quota，eb5占10%，剩下的10%是special immigrant（我猜是大厨之类）
计分系统在法案实施五年后建立。quota最多不超过250000。
没有犯罪纪律的非移要注册成为临时移民。等10年后，按merit based的系统拿绿卡（
如果分数够的话）。
fb方面：我的理解是只有父母能帮子女办绿卡。
这个法案在民主党控制的senate通过了。在共和党控制house没有进行投票。
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x***4
发帖数: 1815 | 41 只是eb1和有美国工作的美国stem ms/phd不需要quota，其他eb都有。但是那时设的
quota很高，现在的政治形势肯定不可能有这么高的。
其实即使eb1和有美国工作的美国stem ms/phd有quota，只要不是超级少，我觉得也可
以接受。只要分出来，不跟计分的派对就好。计分的不确定性实在太大。 |
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z*****h
发帖数: 547 | 42 先别把我钉在耻辱柱上，哈哈
先说结论吧，我认为2018财年结束EB2排期不会超过13年12月15日，而EB3不会超过14年
10月1日
首先现在同时交EB2和EB3的485的人有多少？
我认为很少，基本上不超过100人。因为EB3的排期在13年12月15日以后很久了
有EB3 485的人早就绿了，绿了之后自然会把他们从EB2的库存中删去
所以奥本能看到的485库存不存在Eb23重复统计
同时，EB2在13年12月15日之前，EB3在14年10月1日之前没交485的有多少？
除了被裁员的，我个人估计求稳的人居多，跳槽折腾的人毕竟是少数
那些没来得及交上表的人不超过总人数的10%
当然也还有些配偶当初没来得及交上485的，再估计个10%名额给他们吧，那也就是最多
20%的误差
另外，已经交485的Eb2和Eb3还会跳来跳去么？我觉得这些人不超过1%
Eb3排期领先肯定不会往Eb2跳，同时Eb2能降级早降级了
现在还在Eb2的要么快到了懒的办要么NIW办不了要么公司不让办
所以现在奥本看到的EB23库存是相当准确的
有了准确的485之后，奥本控制排期的能力如何？
在这个网址上搜索历史排期
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P***y
发帖数: 2885 | 43 2012 yearly H1B quota has been used up on Nov 22. If US economy continues to
improve, 2013 H1B quota will be used up much faster.
Singapore passport holder can apply H1B1 at any time of the year. This is hu
ge benefit in those years when lobal H1B quota is consumed in several weeks.
developer
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e***y
发帖数: 1198 | 44 MAINTAINING A SINGAPOREAN CORE IN HDB ESTATES
Plan to Impose Quota for Subletting of Flats/Rooms to Non-citizen Subtenants
19. To prevent the formation of foreigner enclaves in public housing estates
, HDB plans to impose a quota on the number of non-citizen subtenants (
excluding Malaysians) renting flats and bedrooms from HDB flat owners.
Implementation details for the subletting quota will be announced when ready
. Reduction in Maximum Approved Subletting Period
20. In the meantime, HDB will ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*x
发帖数: 5456 | 45 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: choming (请抵制“十万强插”计划！), 信区: USANews
标 题: 常春藤8校亚裔配额最好的证据 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 19:16:56 2013, 美东)
发信人: neuron (云中漫步), 信区: Military
标 题: 常春藤8校亚裔配额最好的证据
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 16:25:19 2013, 美东)
如果数据属实，这是我看到的最好的证据，ivy league对亚裔有不成文的15-20%
quotas。近20年亚裔大学适龄人口增加一倍，但是ivy league的比例没有任何变化，而
且8校都越来越集中到15-20%左右。caltech亚裔学生增长跟人口比例增加是吻合的。不
知道MIT,Stanford这些学校如何？
这个图我看只能用racial quotas解释了。除非亚裔学生在这20年内成绩不断下降？这
个基本上没有可能，也无法解释caltech的情况。。。
链接：
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 46 如果harvard不承认他们有根据affirmative action制定了政策
造成了实质上的race quota.
那么，这个案子就只与他们是否造成了race quota，以及这种
race quota的结果是否合法有关，而与affirmative action无关。
Harvard有承认说，我们admission的结果是我们依据AA来制定的政策
造成的？或者，有没有说：我们admission 的race比例，是满足AA
要求，所以合法？
有还是没有？
这不是很明显的道理么？人家如果根本就不需要借助AA就能说自己
的行为合法，你却去针对AA开火，岂不是很奇怪？ |
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y********g
发帖数: 3097 | 47 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
发信人: mysc1234 (犀利哥), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 今天听到NPR上起诉哈佛不平等录取亚裔的新闻
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 21 09:48:02 2015, 美东)
1. 你说的完全正确。大学可以制定任何他们自己的招生标准，但不能用种族因素来拒
绝学生。
Harvard狡猾的地方就是创造出所谓的“Holistic"标准（这个标准本身并不是问题），
然后在里面放进"racial quotas". Harvard 这种做法的坏处是大学招生就有了一个”
说你行，你就行，不行也行；说不行，就不行，行也不行“的标准。这种做法可以让招
生变得很不公平。 当然，Harvard本身是所非常优秀的学校，具有非常优秀的自省和纠
错能力，即使有意用一种不公平的招生标准，Harvard的招生还是具有一定的公平性的
。但是，当其他的学校都开始仿效Harvard的”Holistic"招生标准的时候，问题就非常
大了。比方说，即使你孩子的成绩很优秀，门口的州立大学可以说，这孩子太优秀了，
肯定不会来我们... 阅读全帖 |
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W*******y
发帖数: 28 | 48 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: ManYouKe (漫游客), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 3/2 反SCA5 Cupertino Townhall Meeting纪实与感想
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 3 04:00:15 2014, 美东)
这是一场奇特的辩论：为严重损害亚裔利益的SCA5法案极力辩护的，是两位华裔人士；
而有理有据奋起捍卫公平正义的，却是两位异族人士。
感谢Cupertino Townhall Meeting的组织者们，让我们能有机会欣赏这场精彩的辩论。
也让各地的华人与亚裔聚集一堂，显示我们的力量，发出我们的声音。这声音震耳欲聋
：人人平等的美国建国原则绝不容受损，种族歧视的死灰绝不容复燃。
当我到达会场时，辩论即将开始。会场外抗议SCA5的人群大约有两三百人，围成方阵，
打着标语，喊着口号，启发群众。会场内也有两三百人，挤得满满当当，过道上都站满
了人。人群中我看到了州参议员竞选人Peter Kuo，联邦众议员竞选人Ro Khanna，四点
左右出场时似乎看到了San Jose Cit... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******s
发帖数: 9926 | 49 政客：“SCA5不会影响亚裔” 自欺欺人
记者张越
March 02, 2014 06:08 AM
在经历华裔民众2月28日针对SCA5提案的强烈抗议后，部分民选官员、加州大学官员表
示：SCA5不会对亚裔入学造成影响、大家不要人云亦云、网路上的传言都是错误、不要
被骗等等，企图安抚民众，让民众转而支持该法案。
但在现代文明社会中，还按照族裔画分受特别照顾对象，将肤色作为评判一个人的标准
，这本身就是历史的倒退；而且将“少数族裔”（minorities）与弱势群体画上等号，
是对包括华人在内的所有少数族裔的羞辱，而且也是对弱势群体的不负责。
需要帮助的是弱势群体，而不是特定族裔，部分政客们将两者搅和在一起，企图浑水摸
鱼，不但造成族裔分裂和紧张，而且真正的弱势群体也不能平等及时地获得帮助。难道
仅仅因为加州大学的华人学生已经够多，所以一个寒门出身刻苦努力的华裔孩子，就活
该进不了加大吗？
包括提案的发起人贺南德兹、华裔州众议员周本立、亚美公义中心，甚至加州大学的官
员都表示，SCA5并没有规定学校招生要实行族裔配额制(Racial Quota)，所以不会影响
到亚裔学生进入加大。但问题... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********u
发帖数: 15479 | 50 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: newgumin (新股民), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 常春藤8校亚裔配额最好的证据 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 16:27:56 2013, 美东)
发信人: neuron (云中漫步), 信区: Military
标 题: 常春藤8校亚裔配额最好的证据
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 16:25:19 2013, 美东)
如果数据属实，这是我看到的最好的证据，ivy league对亚裔有不成文的15-20%
quotas。近20年亚裔大学适龄人口增加一倍，但是ivy league的比例没有任何变化，而
且8校都越来越集中到15-20%左右。caltech亚裔学生增长跟人口比例增加是吻合的。不
知道MIT,Stanford这些学校如何？
这个图我看只能用racial quotas解释了。除非亚裔学生在这20年内成绩不断下降？这
个基本上没有可能，也无法解释caltech的情况。。。
链接：
http://www.nationalrevi... 阅读全帖 |
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