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发帖数: 10195 | 2 近几天，大陆官方媒体突然对张灵甫是否应该被称为抗日名将笔伐口诛，引起了网络上
对张灵甫，整74师的火热讨论。当然，对74师的争论，什么时候都离不开谈及孟良崮。
孟良崮战役，是共产党三年内战中的一个亮点。47年5月，共军集中兵力，以迅雷不及
掩耳之势，在短时间内包围消灭了国军抗战内战中屡建战功的精锐王牌，整编74师。战
役时间虽然不长，但对整个第二次国共内战的影响非常深远。一转眼，这一切已经过去
了近70年，这么多年来，中国大陆的官方宣传，南征北战，红日之类的影视作品，是绝
大多数人对孟良崮了解的来源，真的有兴趣去翻翻哪怕是我党出版的原始回忆和资料的
也还是少数。我最近无聊，花了点时间，粗略地看了看孟良崮战役的一些出版物，想把
看到的一些内容跟大家分享讨论。
（一）重点进攻
按照大陆官方历史的一贯说法，孟良崮战役，是47年春国民党政府军对山东共产党控制
区发动的重点进攻的一部分。官方正版历史都是声称，国军投入了总兵力为45万的正规
军，对当时在沂蒙山区的共军占绝对兵力优势。
在公开的孟良崮战役资料里面，可以找到一份“敌军”参战部队序列表。这个表中列出
的国军部队，包括了当时山东地区王耀武... 阅读全帖 |
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G**L
发帖数: 22804 | 3 要不是现在产党统治的好，哪个屁民会去扯孟良崮，坑定还是产党灌神马就是神马 |
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n*****t
发帖数: 22014 | 5 最后一段终于漏出私货，臭老九就是奇葩，推小车的山东农民跟三反五反有屁关系 |
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发帖数: 33562 | 7 最后结论：共军完成了一次非常漂亮的歼灭战，打得国军和国粉心如刀绞。 |
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发帖数: 1137 | 8 漂亮个屁！ 共匪死伤10万，74师两万多一点。打得共匪心惊肉跳，各纵队顶撞粟司令
，伤亡实在大。这种仗，林彪是不会打的，因为不划算，只有陈粟会打这种仗。李天霞
和黄百韬没有在第一时间向74师靠拢实在遗憾。他们要撤退应该通知张灵甫一声。要是
这样的话，根本就没有现在的故事了。 |
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L*********2
发帖数: 10195 | 9 叫兽如果认为饿死几千万，整死上千万，折腾几代人也是非常漂亮的话，嘿嘿，尽随尊
便。
反正饿死的不是叫兽，整死的不是叫兽，被折腾的不是叫兽，就是现在再怎么样，叫兽
在美国为我美添砖加瓦，也不愁债多了不愁，虱子多了不痒，不是吗？
顺便问一下叫兽，如果叫兽生在49年，叫兽是留下来做贵党的臭老九，逃台湾做校长的
难民，还是跑美国，香港和现在一样，做洋人的奴才？嘿嘿，打死你，也不肯说实话吧
？拉倒吧！ |
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s**********e
发帖数: 33562 | 10 从纯军事的角度讲，这次战役的组织实施是非常漂亮的。
至于政治的角度，你怎么看是你的自由，但是我也有我的观点 －－－ 那就是国民党政
府烂透了，共党取代国民党政府是一种进步。如果你还不明白的话，那就说得更直白一
点，如果说共党是一滩烂泥的话，当时的国民党就是一滩狗屎。如果一定要在烂泥和狗
屎之间选一滩来吃的话，我选吃烂泥，但是我誓死保卫你吃狗屎的权力。哈哈！
话说回来，几乎所有的军史学家都认为希特勒指挥的法国战役和对苏联的几次大规模歼
灭战都是非常漂亮的，在你看来他们都是法西斯分子了？
其实话说你都鼓吹拿原子弹轰炸中国大陆了，俺说句孟良崮战役打得漂亮都不成？哈哈
哈。
另外问个问题：你同意你楼上那位国粉的观点吗？呵呵。 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 11 教授又撒谎造谣了，49年你都情愿留下来做你党的臭老九，现在中国条件好的多，为啥
你却为美军奋斗终身呢？人没问你在国共之间选谁，你还有去香港和美国的选择。你现
在的用脚投票已经说明了一切。口头廉价的爱党爱国毫无意义，反而让人觉得你虚伪。
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发帖数: 10195 | 12 靠，叫兽这么晚还不睡觉？
从纯军事角度讲，共军集中优势兵力打歼灭战的战略战术，还是明显高于国军。国军其
实内战阶段的胜利也不算少，但是最后越打越被动，很大程度也是只能打击溃战，而不
能打歼灭战的缘故。但是，共军歼灭战的成功，很大程度还是归功于情报。象孟良崮，
简直就是明眼人打瞎子，张帅哥死都不知道咋死的。
叫兽受的流毒太深。70年前和现在贵党啥地方就比国民党强了？我咋就看不出来呢？贵
党之所以能一统天下，靠的是强权和暴力，要说别的，我还真看不出来。如果国民党真
的是贵党说的那么样烂，台湾也保不住，还有后来的四小龙和今天的台湾？国民党可能
不咋地，但还不至于干出和平年代饿死几千万人的壮举把？老夫早就说了，国民党最多
就是中国普通朝代朱皇帝啥的水平。烂，没错。但是贵党之残暴，中国5千年里面，商
纣，暴秦，蒙元，满清都干拜下风。叫兽如果不服，可以比较一下啊，嘿嘿。。。如果
说叫兽说的功绩，暴秦统一中国，蒙元横扫欧亚，满清奠定了近代现代中国的版图，难
道就因为这个，老百姓就应该感恩戴德吗？给他们当奴隶？嘿嘿。。。
关于孟良崮战事的看法，大家可以讨论。在文章里说了，整25师和整83师的援军规模太... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 13 教授其实心知肚明，所以打死也不敢回国为党妈奋斗终身。 |
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发帖数: 10195 | 14 叫兽有时候也有难言之隐，不管怎样，我们还是anonymous,我党真的找叫兽的麻烦，他
跑不了。反正他再怎么说，知道美国也不会把他怎么地，嘿嘿。。。
李将军对于孟良崮有啥高见？老夫有两件事现在还搞不懂：一）张灵甫14日有没有接到
过坚守孟良崮的命令。按74师被俘将官自己的说法，14日夜，74师还不知道自己被围，
仍在准备第二天向坦埠攻击前进。可国军的战斗详报上说14日下午5点的电报命令其坚
守孟良崮。没有其他资料，两边对不上号。二）什么造成了51旅的崩溃。74师应该还是
有战斗力的，可51旅在520，540高地上，一天都没坚守住，兵败如山倒。从共军，国军
的回忆里都看不出来到底发生了什么。 |
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发帖数: 4144 | 15 但是，共军歼灭战的成功，很大程度还是归功于情报。象孟良崮，
简直就是明眼人打瞎子，张帅哥死都不知道咋死的。
啊，，，原来电影里说的“不是我军不行，是共军太狡猾”的说法不是杜撰啊！！！！ |
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L*********2
发帖数: 10195 | 16 行，你丫跟叫兽去打架，把眼睛蒙上打，看看叫兽能不能把你丫打趴下？ |
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发帖数: 38600 | 17 I think you should cut back on the Chinese rice. Its the reason you ramble
on in an incoherent manner. |
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n***c
发帖数: 7400 | 18 一个名为Jimmy Kohar 痛批Y自恨：
Any idiot can write a book these days. Surely the worst way I have ever
spent my time: reading the ramblings of a self hating Chinese. |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 19 The last of the remaining armed activists occupying an Oregon wildlife
refuge has surrendered, bringing an end to their 41-day standoff with local
and federal authorities.
Three of the four surrendered within a few minutes of each other shortly
after 9:30 a.m., while the fourth initially refused, according to reports.
The final holdout, David Fry of Ohio, peacefully surrendered and was taken
into custody by the FBI several hours later, after airing a rambling list of
grievances and threatening t... 阅读全帖 |
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l*h
发帖数: 4124 | 20 中国留美学生代购蓖麻毒素被判十六年
一名曾在美国纽约大学就读的中国男子因在网上代购剧毒的蓖麻毒素，结果找的卖家是
联邦调查局（FBI）卧底探员，８日被曼哈顿一家联邦法院判处１６年监禁。
被告名为乐成（音译），现年22岁，曾在纽约大学就读物理学专业，不久离校，在独自
租住的曼哈顿一处公寓内做起了网络代购生意。
检察官说，2014年12月，在一家名为“进化”的网络黑市网站上，向网名为“黑暗马尔
特”的商贩打听购买蓖麻毒素事宜，称自己有不少二手买家。
“黑暗马尔特”实际上是当时在调查黑市不法行为的联邦调查局卧底。
法庭文件显示，乐成在同“黑暗马尔特”聊天时写道，“如果你能把（蓖麻毒素）做成
简易药片，肯定会大卖。”他还在发给对方的信息中说，把蓖麻毒素药片混入普通维生
素药瓶，目标对象每天吃一片，“迟早会因摄入的剧毒药片而死掉”。
蓖麻毒素是一种致命剧毒物，而且没有解药。美国媒体先前报道，“基地”组织曾计划
用蓖麻毒素、氰化物等致命毒剂对美国发动恐怖袭击。
乐成在聊天记录中还写道，“毕竟我们卖的东西是用来杀人，风险越小，越有效，也就
越好。”
联邦调查局探员把假的蓖麻毒素邮寄给乐成。提货时，乐... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7349 | 21 把sanders同志团结起来了
Over the course of the convention, the enthusiasm for Mrs Clinton in the
hall had progressed from dutifulness to something more authentic.
The tipping point was the speech given by her husband Bill, who amid his
rambling folksiness managed to portray her as a woman of principle and a
real-life human being.
Most of the Sandernistas were silenced if not entirely won over. How far she
can yet extend that appeal remains to be seen, however. Too many of the
speeches focused on virtues... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2744 | 22 Trump seemed as if he took several adderall prior to the debate. He was even
more rambling than ever before and at one point just started shouting
repeatedly at Clinton. Its like he was on speed. |
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t*******h
发帖数: 2744 | 23 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: thighhigh (Thigh High), 信区: USANews
标 题: Trump的说话风格跟街头胡逼叨叨的homeless差不多
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 27 14:09:24 2016, 美东)
He sounds like he's actually suffering from dementia, and has the mindset of
a five year old. I'm not even saying that in a derogatory way, thats just
how he appears. His speech lacks any kind of coherence, he just rambles in
circles without ever making an actual point, certainly not addressing the
questions he's asked. Its honestly how homeless peopl... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3045 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: dalihe102 (dalihe), 信区: USANews
标 题: 支持Trump的人是morons
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 15 20:17:24 2016, 美东)
It doesn't get much more delusional than this. According to his supporters,
there are exactly two outcomes for this election:
1. Despite countless pollsters, statisticians, political historians, GOP
strategists, past and former GOP politicians, etc. overwhelmingly saying
otherwise, Trump will win in a landslide.
2. Hillary steals the election from Trump through illegi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 25 你注意我发过的帖子？为什么？你难道不知道我是精神病患者吗？
我在rambling, racing thoughts.. |
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W*****B
发帖数: 4796 | 26
Poland and Israel in Tense Talks Over Law Likened to Holocaust Denial
JERUSALEM — Polish and Israeli officials met on Thursday to address the
diplomatic rift that erupted over a new Polish law that makes it a crime to
blame Poland for the Holocaust, a measure that Israeli officials have
likened to Holocaust denial.
The law, adopted last month over the furious objections of Israel and
scholars from around the world, makes it a crime... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 27 garrulous
given to prosy, rambling, or tedious loquacity: pointlessly or annoyingly
talkative |
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r******g
发帖数: 691 | 28 会面是在椭圆办公室，床铺rambling about many domestic and international
issues, 不时回头搭讪刘鹤几句。要求刘鹤回答记者提问，刘鹤想用英语回答，床铺
stop him, 要求他说汉语。翻译翻的时候，床铺要求翻译说慢些，“I can't
understand you.” 然后又回头回答许多记者提问，与会面完全无关。刘鹤被凉在哪里
，也没有人翻译给刘鹤听。刘鹤想个聋子哑巴被凉在哪里。美方谈判代表回答提问时，
也没人翻译给刘鹤听。毫无外交礼遇。刘鹤一个堂堂大国的特使，副总理与美国总统的
会面被夹裹在美国总统的记者会中。也不配翻译，爱懂不懂。
丧权辱国，莫此为极！ |
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W*******n
发帖数: 4140 | 29 NYS Workers' Comp: How Alpha 3T MRI Fouls Even on The DVDs?
By Limin Wang
March 03, 2020
Introduction:
This realistic story mainly tells how a medical diagnostic imaging MRI
facility, Alpha 3T MRI (145 East 32 Street, Ground Floor, New York, NY 10016
. Phone: (212) 868-9210), gave me, an apparent workers’ compensation case (
NYS WCB# G2029240) patient but actually a victim of attempted murders, a DVD
completely blank in its content but with my information printed on the disk
skin, soon after the... 阅读全帖 |
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L*********2
发帖数: 10195 | 30 近几天，大陆官方媒体突然对张灵甫是否应该被称为抗日名将笔伐口诛，引起了网络上
对张灵甫，整74师的火热讨论。当然，对74师的争论，什么时候都离不开谈及孟良崮。
孟良崮战役，是共产党三年内战中的一个亮点。47年5月，共军集中兵力，以迅雷不及
掩耳之势，在短时间内包围消灭了国军抗战内战中屡建战功的精锐王牌，整编74师。战
役时间虽然不长，但对整个第二次国共内战的影响非常深远。一转眼，这一切已经过去
了近70年，这么多年来，中国大陆的官方宣传，南征北战，红日之类的影视作品，是绝
大多数人对孟良崮了解的来源，真的有兴趣去翻翻哪怕是我党出版的原始回忆和资料的
也还是少数。我最近无聊，花了点时间，粗略地看了看孟良崮战役的一些出版物，想把
看到的一些内容跟大家分享讨论。
（一）重点进攻
按照大陆官方历史的一贯说法，孟良崮战役，是47年春国民党政府军对山东共产党控制
区发动的重点进攻的一部分。官方正版历史都是声称，国军投入了总兵力为45万的正规
军，对当时在沂蒙山区的共军占绝对兵力优势。
在公开的孟良崮战役资料里面，可以找到一份“敌军”参战部队序列表。这个表中列出
的国军部队，包括了当时山东地区王耀武... 阅读全帖 |
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d**********0
发帖数: 13081 | 31 你如果把相应的地图画出， 那么， 就更容易使人读懂了。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 32 “上帝挡在我前面，我到死都会相信这一点，”从杀手枪下幸免于难的佛罗里达督学说
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/14/official-gunman-killed-fla-school-
meeting/
The wife of the man who took target practice on a school board in Florida on
Tuesday, described her husband as a gentle giant who was pushed over the
edge by the economy and frustrated over her losing her teaching job.
"He wanted to get me an answer," Rebecca Duke said of her husband Clay A.
Duke.
"The economy and the world just got the better of him," Duke said in a
rambling p... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 33 By M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D.
Over the past few years, numerous hearings have already been conducted on
Capitol Hill, in both the House and Senate, looking into domestic Islamist
terrorism and ‘radicalization'. Unfortunately, those hearings garnered
little attention and few tangible results - because they avoided discussing
the root causes. Those hearings instead focused only on "violent extremism"
a useless concept addressing a symptom and not the disease. Up to now the
combined efforts of the force... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 34 By Mark Hyman
There has been no shortage of fawning and sycophantic descriptions of Barack
Hussein Obama. His admirers and supporters on the political left and in
the media (although I repeat myself) have showered him with numerous
accolades and lavished him with countless superlatives. According to them,
he is "the most," "the best," "most successful," "the greatest," and so on.
He has been called the most intelligent man ever elected president. Some
believe he is literally a genius. Obama ... 阅读全帖 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 35 He's just incompetent. DEM had super majority in both chambers for
almost 2 years, yet he couldn't provide anything for DEM to quickly
pass Obama Care. By the time Kennedy's seat was lost to GOP, DEM
had to ramble. In the end, they didn't get what they had wished after
wasting so much time with super majority, and Obama's incompetence was
exposed. |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 36 DC Deputy Mayor: Dear Victims of Crime, Better You Are Beaten, Raped, Stolen
From Than You Protect Yourself
March 6, 2012 | Filed under Big government,Constitutional Issues,Deaths,
Democrats,Gun control | Posted by Warner Todd Huston
Washington D.C.’s Deputy Mayor for Public Safety and Justice wants you all
to just stop whining about the rising crime in his fair city. He wants you
to continue being a victim and like it. Not only that, but he thinks it’s a
good thing that you should become a vict... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 37 Newt Slams the President as a member of the “Flat Earth, Sierra Club
Society.”
Earlier today Prince George’s Community College in Largo, Maryland,
President Obama claimed that anyone attacking his absurd reliance on wind
power and algae to solve our massive energy problems are members of the “
Flat Earth Society.”
Obama even went so far as to attack “one of my predecessors,” Rutherford B
. Hayes who Obama quotes as saying that telephones are great but “who would
want to use them”? “This is why h... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 38 August 17, 2012 Posted by Dan Karipides
Yesterday I wrote about the offensive blathering of MSNBC host Toure. Last
night Kira Davis–a young, African-American, conservative woman–published
an open letter response. (Hat tip and comments at Hot Air.)
Normally I would just send you to the link to read the whole thing but in
this case I feel that text deserves as much press as possible. Certainly
more people deserve to hear the words of Davis than those of Toure. Given
MSNBC’s (lack of) viewers... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 39 November 29, 2012 by Warner Todd Huston
You can’t even eat turkey on Thanksgiving without being called a racist by
our friends on the extreme left side of the aisle in America today,
especially if you prefer the white meat over the dark.
Just before Thanksgiving last week, the liberal site Slate dredged up a 2010
piece claiming that the reason Americans love the white meat on a turkey is
because we are all racists.
The rant written by Ron Rosenbaum is a great example of all that is wrong
with t... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 40 If you wish, you could assembly all your racist and hate posts together. I
will gladly call police to send those hatred materials in. I do not have
time to dig up all your meaningless rambling by myself. My time is too
precious to deal with a pussy cat like you.
you
eager |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 41 Does Obama even know the difference between truth and falsehood? Does he
know, but he just doesn’t care? Does the real world ever have anything to
do with anything he says?
Check out this astonishing rewrite of “If you like your doctor, you can
keep your doctor. Period,” during an interview with WebMD. The Prevaricator
-in-Chief blithely inserts the unavoidable truth into the middle of his
characteristically rambling answer to a question about Obamacare, AKA the “
Affordable” Care Act, as if he’... 阅读全帖 |
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k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 42 the fucking blank empty rambling again and again, nothing substantial.
the only thing noticeable is ask countries to pay for their
defense and use the money for Social security,as a chinese
I like it, but not sure if this is a good idea from the US point of
view... |
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b*******m
发帖数: 5492 | 43 Havana, Cuba (CNN)As Cubans debate the impact of President Barack Obama's
historic trip to the island last week, one prominent figure is lambasting
the visit: Fidel Castro.
In a full page column titled "Brother Obama," published in the Cuban
communist-party newspaper Granma, the former Cuban president rejected Obama'
s visit and words of reconciliation.
"We don't need the empire to give us anything," Castro wrote, referring to
the United States, in his acidly critical and rambling column.
In 200... 阅读全帖 |
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n****l
发帖数: 1739 | 44 what's new? same kind of rambling. 'I will make america great again'. yeah,
what are his concrete solutions? Obama is a better pretender than him, '
change, yes we can'.
those guys are just salesman, actors, plain and simple. both clinton and
trump are two sides of the same coin. the reality is not 'two sides', but '
the coin'.
so how many ppl on this board are in the owner's club, at the top of food
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G*******9
发帖数: 35 | 45 source: wiki
As early as June 2015, FiveThirtyEight argued that Donald Trump "isn't a
real candidate"[84] and maintained that Trump could not win the nomination
until late in the election season.[85] When Donald Trump became the
presumptive Republican nominee in May 2016, New York Times media columnist
Jim Rutenberg wrote that "predictions can have consequences" and criticized
FiveThirtyEight for underestimating Trump's chances. He argued that by
giving "Mr. Trump a 2 percent chance at the nomi... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 46 老头的黑朋友都够铁，没像08年老黑抛弃老太一样抛弃老头。
TOLEDO —During a Donald Trump event this morning designed to reach out to
African American voters, the black man who introduced him used the “N”
word.
Trump did not visibly react when Don King, in a long and rambling talk, used
the word.
Here is King in full context:
“America needs Donald Trump. Especially black people. You understand my
black brothers. They told us, if you try and emulate and imitate the white
man, then you can be successful. So we tried that…
“I to... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******h
发帖数: 2744 | 47 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: thighhigh (Thigh High), 信区: Military
标 题: Trump昨天应该是吸毒了，很明显（我有经验）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 27 13:08:01 2016, 美东)
Trump seemed as if he took several adderall prior to the debate. He was even
more rambling than ever before and at one point just started shouting
repeatedly at Clinton. Its like he was on speed. |
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t*******h
发帖数: 2744 | 48 He sounds like he's actually suffering from dementia, and has the mindset of
a five year old. I'm not even saying that in a derogatory way, thats just
how he appears. His speech lacks any kind of coherence, he just rambles in
circles without ever making an actual point, certainly not addressing the
questions he's asked. Its honestly how homeless people with schizophrenia
that you encounter on the NY subway talk, its kind of sad... And thats just
thinking about his 'positive statements', when he'... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1121 | 49 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-debate-prep_us_57f6ea0ee4b0e655eab346d4
Marina Fang
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Thursday held a rare town
hall event in New Hampshire that looked a lot like a trial run for Sunday’s
second presidential debate with Democrat Hillary Clinton.
But the softball questions selected from a Trump-friendly crowd offered
little practice for a nominee who desperately needs to overcome his wid... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******2
发帖数: 3045 | 50 It doesn't get much more delusional than this. According to his supporters,
there are exactly two outcomes for this election:
1. Despite countless pollsters, statisticians, political historians, GOP
strategists, past and former GOP politicians, etc. overwhelmingly saying
otherwise, Trump will win in a landslide.
2. Hillary steals the election from Trump through illegitimate means.
There is absolutely, 100%, zero chance that Hillary will win the election
legitimately in the minds of these people.... 阅读全帖 |
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