q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 1 WESTFIELD, Mass. – With an instructor watching, an 8-year-old boy at
a gun fair aimed an Uzi at a pumpkin and pulled the trigger as his dad
reached for a camera.
It was his first time shooting a fully automatic machine gun, and the
recoil of the weapon was too much for him. He lost control and fatally
shot himself in the head.
Now gun safety experts — and some gun enthusiasts at the club where
the shooting happened — are wondering why such a young child was allow
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c**********d
发帖数: 2428 | 2 This boy's father is a retarded.
"He said his family avoided the larger weapons, but he let his son try the
Uzi because it's a small weapon with little recoil."
He should be charged for the death of his son, simply by what he said. |
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k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 4 这个肩膀淤血可能主要是因为持枪姿势不对
另外加上recoil pad可能会好一些 |
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z**n
发帖数: 22303 | 5 我计划去买这个，现在只要159，norinco的，支持国货，下面是一个人的评价。
Model Pardner® Pump Protector
Ammo 12 Gauge (NP1-P18)
Stock Black synthetic with grooved fore-end and ventilated recoil pad and
swivel studs
Barrel 18 1/2"
Chamber Up to 3"
Magazine Capacity 5
Sights Bead front; drilled and tapped for scope base
Choke N/A
Length 37 5/8"
Length of Pull 14 1/4"
Drop at Comb 1-1/2"
Drop at Heel 2-1/2"
Weight 7-1/2 lbs.
I took this out a couple of weeks ago and put 75 shells through it. I was
pleasantly surprised. Much m |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 6 very informative,many thanx.
more Q: if you have and shot it, what's your feeling or comments on this 7.
62 AR?
how is accuracy and recoil?--comparing to AK and conventional AR? |
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q***d
发帖数: 22 | 7 感谢Kelvin每日一帖，月初从大作中发现Beretta 92FS two tone on sale,顺利完成
gunbroker的交易.刚刚拿到枪.上片一张. 大家新年快乐.
1) I found the recoil spring guide is made by plastic, is it normal?
2) The chamber loaded indicator doesn't seem to work. When I use the dummy
round, I can't notice any difference. Anyone has a similar problem?
Thanks. |
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t***y
发帖数: 53 | 8 for home defense, 标配是12ga 18.5',不知道recoil 有没有大到打了一枪就手麻了， |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 9 I think most guys can handle the recoil of 12-ga, at least for 2 or 3 shots,
which is usually enough to make sure the other guy is dead |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 10 Use federal low recoil buckshot ammo if you feel it's too much. |
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | 11 You could get a semi-auto (such as Baikal MP153, Remington SPR 453, Benelli
SBE I or II) or pump (such as Benelli Nova) 12 Ga shotgun because they can
cycle any round from 2.75 up to 3.5. The recoil is OK for 2.75 (smaller
than type 56) but strong for 3.5 shells. |
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l******u
发帖数: 1630 | 12 The .40 S&W cartridge has become a huge success in the United States because
, while possessing nearly identical accuracy[10], drift and drop, it adds
more energy over the 9 mm Parabellum with a more manageable recoil than the
10 mm Auto cartridge. In the rest of the world it has become a popular
combat pistol shooting sports cartridge.[citation needed] With good JHP
bullets in the more energetic loads (> 500 ft·lbf) the .40 S&W can create
hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets.[11]
htt |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 13 Quoted:
XD vs. XDM
the XDM is basically an improved XD. It is only offered in .40 though. It
will run $100-$200 more than the XD depending on where you get it.
upgrades for XDM:
1. the XDM has a better quality match grade barrel (more accurate)
2. you can change the back strap on the grip for variation in grip size
3. has better recoil system (heavy duty guide rod spring)
4. has striker status indicator (to verify weapon is cocked)- may have this
on origional XD, but not certain
5. has a MRT (mi |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 14 就是军大衣吧？
“In Korea, all versions of the carbine soon acquired a poor reputation for
jamming in extreme cold weather conditions,[15] eventually traced to
inadequate recoil impulse and weak return springs.[16] A 1951 official U.S.
Army evaluation of scores of individual after-action combat reports noted
the weapon's cold-weather shortcomings, and recorded complaints by troops
for failure to stop heavily-clothed or gear-laden North Korean and Chinese
troops at close range after multiple hits.[16]”
在 |
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s****y
发帖数: 939 | 15 I would say Taurus M65 .357 4".
It's light and accurate gun with light recoil for a lady.
I will show you my shooting results with two kinds of amo:.38 and .357mag
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H**********k
发帖数: 224 | 16 i tried, loved it.
lighter recoil compared with glock/sig p22x.
but it's full-size, not good for ccw. and FN herstal said they won't
product a compact fiveseven due to the high pressure of the 57x28 ammo. |
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f*********n
发帖数: 11154 | 17 大一些，但是偶这把12ga装了recoil reducer，所以感觉只比20ga大了一点点。 |
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w***z
发帖数: 398 | 18 第一把手枪，在LOCAL店和GUNSHOW上试来试去，觉得XDM最合手。 现在想请问大拿们（
如果打过这两支枪更
好),实际的后坐力差别有多大？AMMO的价钱差别我知道，STOPPOWER差别我也知道，只
是读过几篇网文讲到
0.40的RECOIL让手腕很不舒服（snappy and flip)比0.45ACP还差, 不知在XDM上的真实
感受如何？
我应该选9mm还是0.40? 还有就是好像0.4可以换convertible 9mm barrel(~$150）。
谢谢 |
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l******u
发帖数: 1630 | 19 i would just get a .45 for better stop power and more comfortable recoil. |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 21 no recoil, so your grip and trigger pull will be more correct I think |
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a***k
发帖数: 1255 | 22 版上有没有同学用过?前几天和一老美同事聊起枪来,他说他刚拿到CCW,CARRY的就是STI
GUARDIAN.是.45ACP1911,要$1100左右.这老兄玩枪廿几年了,家里手枪有十几把,长枪
也不少.
他说这枪的设计很特别,基本没有RECOIL,打得特准. |
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f*********g
发帖数: 327 | 23 wiki搜了一下，
‘Based on the SP-01, it has no firing pin block resulting in improved
trigger travel. It also features a slightly reshaped grip and safety, a “
weaker” recoil spring for easier loading, and fiber optic front sight and
tactical “Novak style” rear sight.’
有点痒痒
一看到“reshaped grip”就像试试啊，难道会更准？ 手小人的郁闷 |
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f******u
发帖数: 767 | 24 这种情况是该上conpesator还是flash hider。二者的工作原理上如何不同呢？
似乎compensator可用来减低recoil提高射击精度。难道flash hider仅仅就是个灭焰效
果？
另外SRB手续上似乎很繁琐，希望版上如有过来人说一说具体的流程。 |
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M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 25 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 请教： 本来昨晚要发这个帖子，看到ZOUN遇到麻烦也没了心情。见到版上这么多素昧平生的朋
友为ZOUN拔枪相助也着实感动了一把。美国是个法律相对健全的国家，即使有个别脑残
，但最终应该会有一个合理的“说法”。希望ZOUN和家人能保持一个良好的心态来面对
和解决这个TROUBLE，风平浪静之后再回头看，会是一切尽在笑谈中。生活其实就是由
一个一个麻烦组成的，我们根本就搞不定，只有去适应。用一句隆胸产品的广告词安慰
一下ZOUN和家人：没有什么“大”不了的！
好了，开始问我的问题了。邻居是把老枪，快五十了吧，计划今年与他们一起去打猎。
向他请教T3 LITE STAINLESS是选用30-06与300？以下是他的回复与我找到的资料，请
高手们给把把脉。我是认为300还是胜30-06一筹，但似乎RECOIL太强，会影响到
ACCURATE。所以，我还是PREFER 30-06，不知是否是明智的选择。
这是他的第一封邮件，那时我们刚认识：
My two rifles are a Remington 700 BDL in a ..270 caliber. I love this rifle.
It ha |
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p*******f
发帖数: 521 | 26 这儿大家好像大部分都玩真枪。
买气枪是不是太小儿科了。 :) 大家多担待些。
买枪主要自娱，另带消灭一些pest, 诸如 groudhog, rabbits...
Budget around $200.
自己做了一点研究。有些倾向 Gamo Whisper.
一是声音小些，在后院玩动静小些。 二是review 还不错。
前面有人介绍国产的 BAM B-30 B-40. 我看价钱和Whisper差不太多。
请大家帮着比较比较。
另外，是买 .177 的 还是 .22 的?
有多大区别? e.g. noise, recoil, max shooting distance. Which has more fun?
多谢！ |
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p*******f
发帖数: 521 | 27 据说tx200/BAM-40 这方面不错。recoil 很小，极准。
B.B. (blogger) 对这它们评价很高。而且极容易拆卸。(不用compressor)
哪天弄个B-40玩玩。
在德州的，是不是可以直接去Xisico挑枪呀。:) 不知如果有问题，online的那些店容
易退货/exchange吗？ |
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 28 一看就知道不是行家写的, 95和M16一样是直托设计, 这样的好处是更好控制RECOIL,
自然瞄准镜就高了, M4/M16用了N年也没人出来说.
至于不能左右抛壳倒确实是不足. |
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | 29 建议把recoil pad去掉，一是美观，二是74的后座本身就很小了。您的弹夹是哪国生产
的？子弹买了吗？ |
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d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 30 yeah, first tried, and totally shocked by its strong recoil power.
actually, I tried continued shoot 5 slugs of 20 gauge, with no problem in my shoulder. but never expect so big difference or 12 gauge slug shot power.
cann't imagine what it'll be or like if shoot a 0.50 snipper stuff. I doubt I can stand for it for my shoulder. |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 31 50 BMG is not really bad if the rifle has an effective muzzle brake on it
and its stock has a decent recoil pad. the same applies to a 12GA
but a muzzle brake on a 12GA may damage your hearing if it's used inside a
room without hearing protections.
my shoulder. but never expect so big difference or 12 gauge slug shot power.
doubt I can stand for it for my shoulder. |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 32 also some simple blowback designs tend to make shooters feel more recoil in
usage, such as an FEG PA-63 in 9x18 makarov |
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N******p
发帖数: 2777 | 33 Oh, the 53M. It looks interesting, good sight, adjustable trigger. I've alwa
ys wanted to try it. But it's a lot less powerful than the 1377, and definit
ely not as accurate with the recoil. |
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p***e
发帖数: 29053 | 34 今天老婆孩子睡觉，我又出去打了600round，回到家孩子刚睡醒呵呵，作为入门的SIG
MOSQUITO 一
共打了3次大概1400 rounds。总结出一点经验。
第一次打的时候因为是新枪，用walmart便宜的子弹卡的很厉害。回家看说明书说头
250rounds后必须
要clean。 怪不得后来卡的几率大增。
第2次打还是10发有2个FTE。挺烦的。 回家后到sig的论坛看了看，里面的人建议加重
枪的
lubricant，特别是magazine的lubricant。
第3次出发前专门lubricant了枪才出发，发现效果出奇的好，打了600rounds 也不到10
次FTE. 无
论慢射还是快射都ok了。论坛的人说可以换recoil spring，让它适合某一种子弹，然
后打这种子弹
就不会卡了
打了1400 rounds，枪还是比较结实的（有人说。22的枪1000round后好像会散架的感觉
），准头还
可以。
考虑到299的价格和一颗子弹才不到3分，这枪还是比较适合新手练习用的。主要是子弹
和枪都实在很便
宜。还有同类型的P22和ruger 3。 但是听说P22 1000rou |
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G****s
发帖数: 3523 | 35 requirement:
1. ammo price affordable
2. recoil not too strong
3. can shoot in bayarea. not long range
which ones are good? thanks a lot! |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 36 Savage or CZ in .308
if shy of recoil try their models in 7.62x39 or .223 |
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m********g
发帖数: 692 | 37
你用的rifle scope是上面列的 ?
200刀以下能买到用rifle(通常是heavy recoil), 在100码打 1 inch这个精度的scope,
这个牌子性价比可够高的. 至少比我信任的Swift实惠多了. 如果真是这样, 俺以后也
跳这个牌子了.
PS:
你这准头以后可以兼职"狙击手"了.
试着一搜, 买买提居然真有枪版... |
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v*****a
发帖数: 1332 | 38 pushing-anticipating recoil
什么意思，分开单词都认识了，放一起不知道说什么 |
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L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 39 正确。其实玩枪也就是个爱好。所以还是得自己喜欢。自己喜欢了，就会快乐，真的用
不着太过于看这个枪是不是有很多用户，是不是非常可靠，等等。
我开始也觉得Glock丑，不过越看越觉得好看。我的朋友和我不一样，他从开始就觉得
Glock好看。我也是他怂恿地买了Glock。现在全打的是便宜子弹，还真是，一扣扳机就
响。打的不准时我自己的水平，那小子用同一把枪打得可是够准的。和他不能不比，这
小子在中国的时候在体校练过射击。枪也不用怎么维护。本来想化个20来块换个金属的
Recoil Spring，到枪店一问，小二马上非常认真地告诉我，你不用！打个5000发以上
再说吧。
这玩意就是看自己，喜欢就好，何必和自己过不去找个自己实在不喜欢的呢？
快乐很重要。祝所有人都快乐和有自己喜欢的。 |
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H**********k
发帖数: 224 | 40 tried all except cz75 which my local shop/range doesnt have.
i get the feeling that i am not too sensitive to the weight difference
between them. the heaviest, the fnp 9, doesnt cause fatigue. and being
heavy, its recoil management feels better...
what about their reliability/track record/easiness to fs? |
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t******y
发帖数: 5040 | 41 嫌后坐力大？没有关系，任何枪，换装一个limbsaver recoil pad，什么都不怕。 |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 42 I have both and I will say CZ all the way.
Both are very accurate. But CZ are all steel, so when you practice with the
kit, it feels the same as your 9mm pistol, and it's very reliable, eats all
kinds of bulk ammo, came with 2 mags and has last round lock back.
Sig kits is made of aluminum, the converted pistol feels different. The plus
size if felt recoil is relatively closer to real pistol due to lighter
weight. But sig kits has only one mag, and the most annoying thing is it
doesn't have last |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 43 不太好排，还要考虑枪和枪之间的差距。一般是枪越轻felt recoil越强。自由枪机的.
380后坐不一定就小，而且套筒簧比较硬，女生刚开始可能拉不动，需要多练习。我觉
得9x19以下的口径，从纯后坐角度讲，一般女生都能控制。所以你可以先从握把的舒适
程度入手，大小薄厚之类。 |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 44 a great discussion on .270 vs. .308 vs. .30-06?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=60766
Mulliga
January 22, 2004, 12:56 AM
Coming from a gun-impoverished family, I've never shot these rounds. I've
only practiced with two rifle calibers, .22 short/LR and 7.62x39. How do the
.270 Winchester, .308 Winchester, and .30-06 Springfield compare in terms
of:
RECOIL (similar bullet weights in similar weight guns)
NOISE/MUZZLE BLAST/FLASH (again, similar loads in similar barrel lengths)
OVERALL P |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 45 如果是这样的话，能不能通过增大导气管上排气洞解决问题？暂时也可以试一下
加装recoil buffer。 |
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d*****k
发帖数: 580 | 47 XDM的这个Non-Captive Recoil装卸的时候可是比Glock要麻烦些，
而且Field strip的时候如果不注意的话还真有可能整个slide飞出去
要是飞到屏幕上就杯具了。。。 |
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 48 I had similar issue and then did some research. Many people say that three
fingers (thumb, middle and ringe figure) should hold your pistol very tight
and the pinky should be relaxed. The tight figures control the recoil, while
the relaxed pinky will facilitate balance. Just a school of thought. |
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 49 30-06比308贵多少？
查了一下recoil table，30-06后座力大不少
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
还是22LR最友好
22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a |
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t*****8
发帖数: 1274 | 50 http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CDGK3172
New in box Charles Daly Field Hunter 20gauge Semi-Automatic Shotgun.
Features a 3" chamber, 26" vented moly-steel barrel, blued finish alloy
receiver, checkered black synthetic stock and forend, and ventilated
recoil pad. Includes Improved Cylinder, Modified, and Full Chokes.
Threaded for Remington Chokes. As Charles Daly is no longer in business,
these Shotguns are being sold as is, with no Return privileges. They were
inspected and appear |
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