c*******y
发帖数: 1630 | 1 一般我会找机会对喜欢bluff的人，先check，等他raise，再reraise
时间长了,check -> reraise的对手，有bluff，也有就喜欢这么打的。
感觉一半一半啊。吃了几次亏以后，一般reraise比较大，倾向于fold |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 2 Villain: 24/18
should I reraise on river, looks like villain has something to call reraise?
Full Tilt Poker Game #24920802133: Table Apollo - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hol
d'em
Seat 1: xXxEndoxXx ($99.53)
Seat 2: bollemuza ($29.10)
Seat 3: evolsteve ($48.22)
Seat 4: CastingSpell ($41.02)
Seat 5: Princesa11 ($5.80)
Seat 6: bahnzii ($9.75)
Seat 7: gerandy1988 ($10.89)
Seat 8: Hero ($31.41)
Seat 9: 4 Pies ($25)
xXxEndoxXx posts the small blind of $0.10
bollemuza posts the big blind of $0.25
The button... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 I called his all in for reasons that I don't want to waste time explaining
here.
I post this because I want to point out a type of player in rush NL 25--The
Anti-ABC poker player, A.K.A clueless fish.
Look at what this guy has done:
1)bet small with set with a flush draw possible flop,
2)call 2X pot big raise on turn with sets when flush is made,
3)check river with nuts
4)reraise preflop with suited connector (arguable but definitely not working
for someone who can't even play ABC poker)
5)call |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 totally unnecessary here to reraise all in. just raise to 9$, the effect is
the same. (I do this sometimes at river even though i got shoved over sometimes.) If i don't call 14$ i won't call 9$ either. Anyone can watch some
poker on TV and make a brave bluff with air and think it is an advanced play.
Without a read, it is just donk spewing the pot.
This hand is very simple. 34 straight and pocket As beats me. He 3 bet me
preflop. if he goes pot pot all in, i probably won't fold but i won't feel |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 if he knows you have such a strong hand as trips, he surely will not bluff
you.
However, if you have some marginal stuff like ace 10, ace 9, or weak 2 pair,
you thin value bet on the river, you will fold to his reraise.
In this case, he turns his pair into a bluff, it is an advance play. Suppose
you have ace 8 instead of JJ, in that spot, what will you do(he may have jjj, aaa)?
is
sometimes.) If i don't call 14$ i won't call 9$ either. Anyone can watch
some
play.
least
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 There will not be two pot size bets if I only have a marginal hand. I have
at least AJ. If i was bluffing. 9$ raise is even better. I have no way to
call that. All in bluff is just a desperate move from his part. I have been
shoved over more than often when I raise river after 2 pot size bets from
them. (I do a lot of crazy stuff to find out what works on each level. :D i do not reraise anything more than necessary and they either shove me over or fold.) but much more successful when they bet |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 yes, and fold to shove
reraise?
Hol |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 8 他这个turn reraise shove,就只能是KJ或者88加上draw了. |
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c*******y
发帖数: 1630 | 9 最近打牌经常遇到flop拿到top pair，raise后被原先check的reraise，往往最后是两
对，set。
这样的打法在online game常见吗？怎么阅读是不是bluff呢？ |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 10 Hand 1: Stack size 1070$. 2-3 spread limit game. I have JJ limping UTG,
several other limpers including MP who is super loose and aggressive. MP has
around 700$. BTN is a lady who just joined in. Seems tight. She raises to
15. BB calls. I want to isolate so I reraise to 47. However, suddenly MP LAG
repops to 90 more. Everyone else folds. I don't think he limps with a very
big hand in MP, so I want to reraise to show him that I am not squeezing,
and also to find out if he indeed has a hand. Howev... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 This series of articles describes a model for player development that I call
Stages Of A TAG. I think most players go through a series of stages or
realizations about no-limit hold’em as they improve their games from rank
beginners to decent tight-aggressive (TAG) players and beyond.
In total I have identified 25 stages that I think most players go through,
roughly in order, as they improve. This article begins with Stage 6.
Stage 6. I can semibluff decent draws postflop with essentially no adde... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 I played quite some live poker for the past 2 weeks. Here is some
interesting hands. adding water for the board and let's have some discussion
. All question spots are numbered for your convenience.. Every thing is 1$/2$ table. ~~~
1) 3 limper SB raise to 17$. SB is an old man. He shows me a lot of hands
before. Has raised up to 12-30$ preflop with pocket 8s, AJs etc. He is also
aggressive post flop. Bet over pot sometimes with complete air. I look down
I have Js. What would you do? [1] Edit:... 阅读全帖 |
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s******e
发帖数: 44 | 13 我承认我是追寻着大神姐姐的脚步来到VEGAS的，看了她写的赌场分析，觉得也要在
VEGAS试试水。
1.2号晚上到达的，然后吃的马马虎虎的面馆后，就在自己住的bally's开始玩了。刚玩
了几首牌，two pair all in 就被人家在river给hit flush了。。然后在打得长达5个
小时内，给过dealer3次小费。。你们懂的，于是到最后终于肯离开桌子，已经-700了
。回去睡觉。。。。
1.3号，睡好了大觉，准备去一个饭店填饱肚子，各种找不到啊，最后绕道V去吃了个中
餐。。。发现vegas其实吃饭挺麻烦的，buffet么那个队伍都赶上长征了。11:30，正式
进入V（威尼斯人），一打就到了晚上的12点。先汇报战绩，打了约12小时，up了1600+
在一桌上坐下之后也就没有换过位置，反正来来去去换了一些人，但主要还是和一些固
定的人在玩，一个韩国人，2个俄罗斯人，3个东欧的（一家男人），一个台湾阿姨，一
个波士顿小哥。其中也就那个东欧的大叔，叫A吧，打得挺厉害的，我没和他打过几次
，但是不一会，他就从300变成了800+。最开始玩的时候，就老爱去bluff，后面发现，
bl... 阅读全帖 |
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r******j
发帖数: 8 | 14 这周末去了foxwoods，打了10hour+，起起落落，有些hand自认为打得不错，有些也
make了donkey call，贴几手印象比较深的牌出来，供大家讨论。
刚坐下没多久，拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。果然
一个MP LAG open 15, two callers。于是我make it 50 to go,希望他们fold。结果
original raiser fold,不过另外两个callers snap call，于是觉得大事不妙，我有点
overplay我的JJ了，加上position不好。flop出来一张K，只能check，第一个caller立
即bet 100，fold to me，我想了一会儿也fold了，raiser show了我AK，至少还算是个
nice fold。不过我觉得在UTG的地方不该这样打JJ，不知道大家怎么看？
接下来一段时间一直有draw，但是就是hit不上，连2次OESW都miss了，于是rebuy 200
，又一直down到35，都绝望了....一手AJ all in 赢了，于是有了接下来这手... 阅读全帖 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 you can also limp with AK in early positions and reraise big when button
tries to steal. When out of position, it's also not a bad play to
reraise allin with AK, but you have to balance the allin reraise with KK
sometimes, otherwise, good players may realize you only reraise allin
with AK and call you down with pairs. For AA, it's actually best to reraise
a good amount, but not allin to attract more money.
Also, Sklansky recomment a deep limp strategy, when there is a limper or two,
you still ca |
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r********r
发帖数: 60 | 16 完全同意版主及大家的意见。平时我基本是不会这样玩的。
昨天没来得及说明当时的情况，现在补充一下。这个在我下家的mylastshot非常喜欢
preflop reraise,我前面大概有10手牌，preflop 80-90%的情况下，如果我limp in
with suited connector or small pocket pairs,他reraise到3.5-4BB,如果我open 3-
4BB with JJ or AQ,他reraise到10-15BB。前面我都忍了，基本都是fold。10把以后，
我觉得他绝对不可能总有好牌。
这把牌preflop call确实有赌气的成分，我当时call之前觉得如果没有flop flush
draw or two pairs就check-fold，然后换桌。虽然他preflop reraise很频繁，我还是
put him on AA,KK,QQ or AK,结果flop出来以后是TPTK,所以我决定演自己是pocket
1010 hit set，于是check-raise on flop,如果他再reraise，我就是easy fold, |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 17 NL0.25/0.5
KK at EP.
preflop raise to $2,MP reraise to $5,I call.
flop small rainbow, I check, the guy bet $12.5, I think for a while and fold.
这牌我是不是preflop reraise更好一点?不过我觉得他preflop reraise我,flop bet big已经给出足够信息.如果他flop bet小一点,我就很麻烦.
QQ at button.
The guy before me raise to $1.5,I reraise to $3.5, he call.
flop small rainbow,he bet $6,I allin, he fold.
因为我reraise他只是call,所以基本上排除他有AA,KK. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 this is incorrect. Ak probably is the only hand that he is ahead at this
spot in reraise range. He is rarely good at this spot especially after i
called reraise.
utg limp and call 16X reraise, i would put him on a very strong hand instantly. Some guy did exactly the same thing yesterday with pocket As utg
He limped utg, i have pocket Ks so i raised to 5X, some donk reraise to 14X with pocket 10s, and utg flat. i reraised all in. both called... another donk with dangrous pocket 10s.. flop with a |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 I think this article should be helpful to my boss before he calls 12X raise
with KQs at sb..
============================================================================
In a no-limit hold’em session you’ll probably find yourself in trouble at
least once. Trouble means that an opponent has made a large bet or raise,
and you don’t know what to do. Your hand isn’t so good that you’re
beating your opponent into the pot, and it isn’t so bad that it’s an easy
fold.
Getting into trouble is bad for you... 阅读全帖 |
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Y**X
发帖数: 241 | 20 Thank Fryking and Player for their inputs. Your reasonings are exact right! I put the other
short-stack guy on the flush draw. I did not have much read on the guy who
reraised. I thought he could have something like AQ. So I called the reraise
with $100 more. The short-stack guy all in with about only $40. Turn was a 4d.
The reraise guy shoved (about $200), I was kind of pot committed, so I
called with the rest of my chips (about $185). The river was a J of heart.
Bang! The short-stack guy showe... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 21 I went to play some poker and here are some hands i remember. I would like
to ask you guys how I can play better with these hands. thank you.
Background: My image at the table: mainly TAG and sometimes LAG.
1. I'm at MP with KJs, raised to $8. SB reraised to $18. All fold. I decide
to call. SB is a TAG, a normal player. I didn't have much info about him
before. Both of us had about $200ish before this hand. Flop is Q45r. He bet
$20, I decide to float so I called. Turn is Q, he bet another $20, I... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 22 由于刚忙完了一些事,准备给自己一个break,所以这四天休息时间就天天泡在poker
room里. 住得离赌场很近,就10-15分钟, 一天两个session,跟在vegas似的,由于好久没
这样集中精力玩牌了,刚开始玩有点生疏,找不着状态,后来越玩越多慢慢就进入角色了.
这几天玩了这么多,有很多玩得很好的牌,也有很多玩得很烂的牌.3-5起伏很大,很多人
都是in for 1000 多以上,因为大部分都是直接买1000的,有些人都是连买三四千都不眨
眼的, 我看得都心慌,心想他们钱都哪里来的.很多人都是赢个1000多走人,但输确输几
千,真是太恐怖了.玩了几天才发现都是老面孔, 很多full time的年轻人,都是很疯狂的
,拿着6 high都是300, 500的bet, 而且都是不停bluff,偶尔他们又有点牌,所以把别人
搞得稀里糊涂的.昨天有个疯子小伙turn上bet 75, 另一个疯子立马raise他500,小伙想
半天拿着Ac2c CALL了,他有个flush draw 和 straight draw, 最后miss了, 谁知他ace
high 竟然是大的! anyway,玩... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 23 One hand that I like to share just to show the beauty of this game.
I have 1500 stack. Villain has 330 stack. I have just been on this table. I
hold 77 in MP. Several limpers in front of me. I limp also. Villain who sits
direct to my left raises to 20 in LP. Everyone calls and I call. Flop K 8 8
rainbow. All check to villain. He c-bets 40. Folds to me. I don't think he
hits the K and I think my 77 is probably good here. So I raise him to 80. He
tanks for about a minute and reraises me to 180. I ... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 24 前面有一手牌例大同小异：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31243839.html
这种情况的特点是对手reraise后所代表的牌力至少是两对以上。所以不是真有超强牌
就是bluff，或semibluff。（semibluff通常是在flop，turn上比较少）。到river对手
大注bet不是bluff就是有超强牌。而bluff的可能性很小。
所以lz在turn上call就意味着他是想抓bluff（semibluff）。live poker中大多数这种
reraise是真有牌。敢bluff的很少，即使是semibluff，从turn上这么打也是比较极端
的打法。所以个人以为遇到这种reraise最好是fold。我觉得最后对手是什么牌并不重
要。即使你这次抓住他bluff，你这么打法长期肯定是-EV的。除非你有其他原因判断这
个对手的bluff的概率很高。比如他前一段老是用这种方法偷鸡。
最好是turn上check。如果对手比较weak，turn上bet也可以。但是遇到reraise就应当
坚决fold。
总之你拿顶对小kick... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 25 TEN TIPS TO BEAT LIVE CASH GAMES
LIVE AID
BY ROSS JARVISNOVEMBER 2009
Training sites like CardRunners and PokerXFactor have a lot to answer for. A
few years ago, online poker rooms were swarming with fish readily handing
over their money on a daily basis. Unfortunately those days are over. While
you still might come across a dream table from time to time, it’s clear
that there’s been a gradual improvement online to the point that even at
lower limits such as $0.25/$0.50 you’ll find regular caree... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****z
发帖数: 21 | 26 一直觉得language bluff或者引别人bluff很好，虽然感觉用不好会像双棱箭，但一旦
特殊情况用一下说不定能起到很好的效果。有个搞笑的例子，2/3的桌子，曾经看到一
个人flop 中了k set,和那个犹豫不决在read他的人（A)互相说了大概10分钟的话，成
功让A相信他的3bet是bluff bet，然后reraise all in, turn10, river 9，A的J
Qsuit 成功配对成顺子，赢了2200的pot。
this hand, the big blind should put me on pair or big A, a 250 reraise to
position my hand and for a 380 pot is not bad . If I reraise to 600, the
pot will be 1130. Chance he call is 5% (if he had K,) fold 90%, reraise
bluff 5%, and river he check I bet he fold. in this case ... 阅读全帖 |
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p**g
发帖数: 143 | 27 我认为Reraise on turn有心理作用，当然还有一张牌在后面也是个变数
: 一直觉得language bluff或者引别人bluff很好，虽然感觉用不好会像双棱箭，
但一旦
: 特殊情况用一下说不定能起到很好的效果。有个搞笑的例子，2/3的桌子，曾经
看到一
: 个人flop 中了k set,和那个犹豫不决在read他的人（A)互相说了大概10分钟的
话，成
: 功让A相信他的3bet是bluff bet，然后reraise all in, turn10, river 9，A的
J
: Qsuit 成功配对成顺子，赢了2200的pot。
: this hand, the big blind should put me on pair or big A, a 250 reraise
to
: position my hand and for a 380 pot is not bad . If I reraise to 600,
the
: pot will be 1130. Chance he call is 5... 阅读全帖 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 28 you can also limp with AK in early positions and reraise big when button
tries to steal. When out of position, it's also not a bad play to
reraise allin with AK, but you have to balance the allin reraise with KK
sometimes, otherwise, good players may realize you only reraise allin
with AK and call you down with pairs. For AA, it's actually best to reraise
a good amount, but not allin to attract more money.
Also, Sklansky recomment a deep limp strategy, when there is a limper or two,
you still ca |
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 29 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 30 来自主题: PHILADELPHIA版 - 昨天在AC 【 以下文字转载自 Gamble 讨论区 】
发信人: sssh (十三少), 信区: Gamble
标 题: 昨天在AC
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 12 14:28:54 2007)
发文庆祝本版新气象,说一下昨天在AC的一手牌
2/5 NL Holdem, 我在cutoff position, EP一个黑人raise to $15,三个人call,到我,
手里是pocket Ks, reraise to $65, 黑人call, 中间一个call,一个fold, 一个went
all in, 共有$99,他的all in多余部分刚好超过我的reraise的一半,使我又可以
reraise. 我向dealer确认时,那个黑人极力否认我可以reraise,再加上前面对他的了解
,基本确定他手里不是AA,我就push all in, $349 more, 当时pot已经big enough,all
in的那个家伙是个loose wild的player,我确信had him beat, 所以我的all in逼那个
黑人做决定,他稍微想了下,就call了,剩下的另一个 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 31 those are the fish you really want to play against. That's why if one
plays a solid abc poker, he can just win, sooner or later.
the first raise is ok. The first reraise is based on the reading that
button likes stealing, the third reraise is ok only when
cutoff reads that button would reraise with a lot of weak hands.
The 4th reraise is complete nonsense, the final call doesn't make much
sense either.
aggressive
to |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 32 1，79s在button可以steal了，可能你们桌比较passtive，limp也能看到folp。
postfolp没什么问题。
2，为什么要lead？你打的nl10，donk 60c into 85c? 这么强的donk 如果你的对手没
有A，你连赚他CBET的机会都没有
3，如果我是你我会reraise多一点点，如果对方很deep也可能会flat call。这样不管
turn是什么都是可all in了 因为commit了，你这样reraise flop 然后ck turn 太像
bluff cbet了，turn 不管来什么对手都可以all in bluff你。 既然你最后决定call，
就不该ck turn，尤其是对手不deep的情况下。
4，你不敢allin 怕他 runner runner flsuh？ 他什么牌会才call你的flop reraise
oop 还能成flush？9hjh,khqh这两个应该在flop reraise back，只有KhJh这个可能了
，但是3$只是一个halfsize pot bet，你没理由不call吧。
5，sb limp 29s，本身就 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 33 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 终于回来了 唉，昨天最后一天战绩很差，不但没赢钱，还输了快两百了。玩了两个TOURNAMENT，第
一个玩得还行，但是整个桌上刚好全是疯子，BLIND 100－200，RAISE 2000，57o 这种
牌都照CALL，而且个个都很LAG，害我的AGRESSION都没办法发挥作用，因为他们都是死
都要CALL和要CHASE的那种。有一次我RAISE800，6个人CALL我，我实在忍不住问道：“
你们到底是在打CASH GAME 还是TOURNAMENT？没见过这么LOOSE的TABLE.”后来我只能
调整战术等好牌来惩罚这些FISH了。终于等到AA。我EP。AVERAGE STACK SIZE. BLIND
100-200.UTG SUPER LAG RAISED TO 600, 我RERAISE到2000，坐我下面的老黑(the
most loose tournament player I've ever seen) CALL了，其他人FOLD了。FLOP 6 9
9 RB， UTG 马上BET 4500，我知道这种FLOP我是WAY AHEAD，然后也知道老黑是有什么
都会CALL的，而且他刚... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 34 3. I had $100ish with K10o at Cutoff, 5 to 6 limpers before me, so I decided
to limp too because of position.
Flop QJx rainbow. EP guy bet $15 (He had less than $200 before this hand),
folded to me, I re-popped to $40. I had never reraise with a draw that night
. I thought he would fold because he is pretty tight. Also, I did this
because I'm short stack, so basically I was trying to give him a message
that I would go all in with my left stack. Surprisely, he went all in. I
called and rivered a ... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 35 5. I had about $300 at MP with KJ hearts limp because I know the LAG 3 seats
behind at SB would raise (he raises preflop many hands). LAG at SB raised
to $6. EP who limped called, 2 other guys and I called.
Flop was a beauty, heart heart heart, something like 9 6 5.
LAG bet $16. EP reraised to $40. EP guy had about $400. I don't have info
about EP. At least in the past 30mins when I joined the table, he didn't
play play much.
I decided to reraise him because:
One, I don't think LAG guy had any. ... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 这手牌打得不好的。
RIVER上,POT 540*2+100*2+70*2+15=1435， 你只有1400-70-100-540 = 690，
EFFECTIVE STACK: 590.
RIVER BLUFF.他的牌是明牌（，因为它call了turn reraise),一个大对子加一张大红桃
。他用590刀去赢1435+590， RIVER他是不可能FOLD任何大红桃了。所以BLUFF 红桃
RIVER不明智。
RIVER 出其他牌，你能用ALL IN 赢下来的机会也很小。7， 8 ，ace,都算好牌，但即
使如此，出了7，8，ace,他call 你的机会都有50%。
所以river bluff allin 是巨大的-ev.
出现这种情况是因为你在turn上也可能犯了错。你在turn上的返加造成得锅太大。而且
给对手的odds 又太好。pot: 15+70*2+100*2+200+540 =1095, 对手只要call 540-200=
340。如果对手没有红桃的话，是有可能fold得。但once对手是任何的value hand,你也
是不能让他fold得。（我个人觉得你的turn... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 528 | 37 我随便写一些.应该在哪里已经有中文的...
Position: SB, BB, UTG, UTG+2, MP1, MP2/LJ, HJ, CO, BTN
SB: Small Blind (the smaller of the two forced/dark bets pre flop)
BB: Big Blind (the larger of the two forced/dark bets pre flop)
UTG: Under The Gun (comes from an English expression Under the Gun, First to
Act. Because the blinds are a forced bet, this position is the first
player to act pre flop when the two cards are dealt)
UTG+1: the position after UTG
MP1: Middle Position 1, goes after early position (UTG & UTG+1... 阅读全帖 |
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s**h
发帖数: 262 | 38 发文庆祝本版新气象,说一下昨天在AC的一手牌
2/5 NL Holdem, 我在cutoff position, EP一个黑人raise to $15,三个人call,到我,
手里是pocket Ks, reraise to $65, 黑人call, 中间一个call,一个fold, 一个went
all in, 共有$99,他的all in多余部分刚好超过我的reraise的一半,使我又可以
reraise. 我向dealer确认时,那个黑人极力否认我可以reraise,再加上前面对他的了解
,基本确定他手里不是AA,我就push all in, $349 more, 当时pot已经big enough,all
in的那个家伙是个loose wild的player,我确信had him beat, 所以我的all in逼那个
黑人做决定,他稍微想了下,就call了,剩下的另一个fold.黑人钱比我多,three way
action, two all in. 大家flip over cards,黑人pocket Qs,loose wild 扔出10 3
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 40 those are the fish you really want to play against. That's why if one
plays a solid abc poker, he can just win, sooner or later.
the first raise is ok. The first reraise is based on the reading that
button likes stealing, the third reraise is ok only when
cutoff reads that button would reraise with a lot of weak hands.
The 4th reraise is complete nonsense, the final call doesn't make much
sense either.
aggressive
to |
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s**h
发帖数: 262 | 41 这段时间经常去AC,有一手牌印象很深
2/5 NL game, 我在中间位置,手里一对10,前面一个人raise到$15,我call,后面到
button又有三个call,bigblind reraise to $80, 前面的original raiser call, 我知
道在bigblind的家伙是个loose wild的, pot里面已有两百多,我决定也call,想着
getting lucky,让我惊奇的是,后面三个也call了,好嘛,preflop就有$480了!
Flop came K 8 3, rainbow, bigblind first to act, check,前面的一个也check,因
为有一张overcard,是reraised hand,后面还有三个,我也check,结果他们都check
Turn是张7,前面两个又check,到我.我想了一下,觉得我手中的对10现在很可能是best
hand,因为pot so big, no one bet on the flop, preflop reraiser我没给他太多
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 42 If I were that guy, I would not check on turn( suppose he had no K). Bet $45 on turn
, and if melonli reraise, fold. Otherwise bet $150 on river.
Since melonli had an A for sure, he could not have K, or he would reraise on
flop.( since that checkraise on flop represented two pair , if melonli had
A,K two pair on flop, he would sure reraise big and get called.) |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 43 I had 4 out of 5 times pocket KK beat by AA, in the same situation as above
mentioned.It is now an alarming pattern to me that reraise on preflop raise,
has more chance to be AA.
As I think it over, QQ is not safe to do a reraise, because one A or K on
flop , will give QQ enough trouble.
I mean the main function of reraise on preflop raise, is to make your opponents more pot committed.But QQ is not powerful enough to commit both your opponnent and yourself into the pot, since most preflop raiser |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 44 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 到最后俩人了，WlkRambo allin后，doctorhowser还是fold了。我想问的是，如果是
headsup，手里是AA或KK，当stack差不多，剩余筹码能reraise到4x左右的时候，应该
reraise allin么？我觉得应该call或者做min reraise，然后争取在flop后多赢点，你
们觉得呢？如果WlkRambo也是这么想的话，可能手里是AK，或者QQ,JJ之类。
Full Tilt Poker Game #11078199304: $33,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (82403538),
Table 23 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:11:20 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 2: doctorhowser (696,084)
Seat 4: WlkRambo (447,416)
doctorhowser antes 2,000
WlkRambo antes 2,000
WlkRambo posts the small blind of 8,000
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 You really need watch ftop event Final table online. The stack is super deep
. lots of pots are raise, reraise.
Chip leader will raise a ton of pots.
Even full table, chip leader will raise 35% unraised pot, reraise 25% of raised pot.
If 6ppl table, chip leader will raise 55% unraised pot, reraise 30% of raised pot.
That is why I say he is doomed to win. ------ those are super good players.
Just watch WSOP, how many pots has Jamie Gold or Greg opened?
Similarly, Peter Eastgate opens a ton of pot |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨天亏了 the 2nd hand is tricky. I guess will allin anyway. No matter button reraises
(bb will allin at this situation or call then shove the flop), or BB
reraises,(no matter button calls or re-reraises, it is allin)
既然你
念之间的天壤之别, 没有什么过多分析的必要, 有时候靠感觉了. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 47 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨天亏了 If just preflop action, can you just throw qq away just because button
reraises(3bet). I guess not, because sometimes button can reraise with Q2s
there. If you 4bet there, you are pretty much committed.
If you just call 3bet, then I guess you will not fold to a continuation bet
from button since the board is so good for QQ. If you lead out, button will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin anyway
situation.
If you put him on KK or AA preflop, then you can laydown QQ o |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 48 yesterday, ivey raise to 3k, isi reraise to 9k. ivey raise to 27k, isi
reraise to 81k. ivey re--re--reraise to 24k. isi calls. flop Ace rag rag.
allin
turn out: ivey has aat*, isi has akjq.
I do not know what isi is thinking there.
680k pot |
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l******1
发帖数: 365 | 49 hand 1， 1/2 nl
上一把kk刚赢
接着发给我AK suited。utg bet 15， utg+1 call
我也call， 想过reraise，关键刚才kk刚shove，觉得不可信？
后面几个全call了，有6个人，台面上 K，9，5 rainbow。
utg bet 50， utg+1 call 50， 我想了半天，觉得call太示弱了，
而且turn和river不好处理。想all in，但是又觉得可能有set或两队，有点危险，
看看后面还有3家，痛苦的fold了。这个疑心太重了？
我当时还有260左右，是不是可以reraise 150？
我fold，后面全fold，turn上那两家check。river A，最后show down，
utg AJ o， utg +1 KQ o。晕！
hand 2， 2/5 nl 200多chips
qq utg， raise 到20， 四家call。
flop Q，9，5 rainbow， bb check，我check， utg+1 bet 40，
button， call 40， bb fold，我reraise到140，u |
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