v***v
发帖数: 5504 | 1 看你人没那么老啊:-) 不过是该换了，给你选了一款最新的，不是shakehand,也不是
penhold，是hand_in的，打飞猪就像打他耳光，正手一耳光，反手再一个，估计很过瘾
。。。哈哈 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 2 OH. I see. Thanks.
Basically 拧 for short balls.
For both penholder and shakehand, backhand can do 拧, but forehand, 拧 is
difficult, right ? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 3 the first time i played Terry Tam was at one of the 4 star Berkeley Open
U2375, i beat a guy over 2100 from TX in group RR, led Terry 2:1, asked
Patrick Wu to coach me, but he declined since he said he knew Terry too,
at that time, Terry was a 2100+ shakehand.
I lost 2:3, afterwards, Patrick told me if i had won, my rating would have
jumped over 2100.
So i was just one game away from 2100. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 4 Let WWTT make a video for you and you can see your video, Then compare yours
with those in youtube. Then you know the difference.
Or upload a video for letting everyone to have a look and give comments.
I just know that for penholder, forehand 腕 is little better than shakehand. |
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n****l
发帖数: 6652 | 5 好的，等让朋友拍些video。
yours
shakehand. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 6 Only penholders can do good on that. Shakehand is difficult. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 7 Why need a 轻皮 if you are shakehand ?
If you get used to it, it is OK. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 8 the russian guy has very good backhand, it is not easy to play
against shakehands with strong backhand when you are a tricky
penholder player... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 9
no, the chopper is JinTong...
Han is that shakehand with pips in his backhand, this year he beat
our #1 chopper, 2 years ago, he beat our #2 looper.
I played him once in league team, led 2:1, 10: 8 in 4th with my own
'serve, but lost 2:3, so he gave me very good impression since he was
so calm in critical points! |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 10 one 802 short pip hitter plus one shakehand LP backhand blocker.
our chopper has very powerful forehand, just like Joo or Hou,
(Hou paired with the young looper to win that double to help
BJ team to win this year national team champion)
WMTT is strong for counter-loop from middle distance, they pair
well. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 11 some points from my own experience and observations:
1. under certain level like U3600, yes, 2 1800 players should play best.
2. But style matching is more important: usually one stable, one aggressive
is the best matchup
3. Usually attacker plays better than defender in doubles.
4. guys who have solid attack skills, but less footwork in singles, usually
play doubles higher level than their singles.
5. Serve/serve return become a lot more important, so guys who have good
serve/serve return play ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****1
发帖数: 1355 | 12 为什么陈酒大侠这么好的技术贴都没人回？是因为大伙都不爱看e文吗？
翻译一下吧：
从我自己的经验和观察一些要点：
1。像U3600一定程度下，答案是肯定的，2 1800球员应该发挥最好。
2。但风格相匹配更重要的是：通常一个稳定的，积极的之一是最好的对决
3。通常攻击者扮演比后卫更好的双打。
4。球员有坚实的攻击技能，但少步法单打，通常打双打高于自己的单打水平。
5。发球/接发球成为了很多更重要的，所以具有良好的家伙服务/服务返回发挥更好的
双打。所以通常2 penhold次双打
更好地在同一水平比2 shakehand。
6。如果你是在强大的杀好，试图找到一个合作伙伴，可以设置你起来，就像一个唱片
播放器，同样，一个唱片机需要一个强大的杀手配对。
7。如果你控制的球员，找到一个很好的的攻击，如果你是一个推杆，找到一尺蠖等。
8。一起练习可以提高很多，2个合作伙伴，每个也喜欢其他帮助，去深刻，化学工程，
就像生活伴侣。
9。一个追随者，在双打中，总是有一个铅谁会谈有关如何发挥和战略。2健谈将无法正
常工作，2追随者有时无法生存的关键分。通常，导致调用的超时。
10。电枢水平，也许米克尔森... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 13 i was surprised to see he was using a shakehand racket in final...
good potential kid... |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 14 Maybe I need to learn how to play like a shakehand using penholder |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 15 guys who changed to shakehand from penholder found out their
penholder level went up after switching back to penholder
since it is more natural for them to do PBL... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 16 her style is very rare, it is not easy to beat guys whose style you
could never play before...
the style i have most trouble against is shakehand with one side short
pips.
.. |
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v*******y
发帖数: 221 | 17 所以说对付颗粒打法，就不能按照对待反胶的正常套路打。
否则，技术再好，也只有挨打的份。有些人rating是挺高的，但是遇到颗粒还是输的多。
The style I have most trouble against now is shakehand with TWO sides short
pips. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18
it worths a try, u can always switch back if u like, guys who play shakehand
from penhold
find their PRB is a lot better after switching back.
if your game depends on 小球，变化, then stick on penholder as i did. |
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a******s
发帖数: 4052 | 19 我确实经常变来变去的。犯懒的时候就用横拍，愿意发飚的时候用直拍。
shakehand |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 20 One reason that I did NOT change shakehand: I did not want to admit that I was a
loser for choosing how to hold a paddle. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 21 I know that。It's called "围“ by 吴敬平。Of course you could also consider
it "拨”，but "拨“ is usually a word to describe this stroke when the
reverse side is used, i.e. shakehand or penhold RPB。Because of anatomical
limitation of human body, "围” can only be a much more compact stroke than
"拨“。That's it。
am |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 22 Butterfly Innerforce ZLC
I tried it several times from a friend (shakehand). Great for middle and
long balls.
Only drawbak, it is difficult to handle soft and short balls since it is
difficult to borrow the stength.
This also reminder me. Next time when I play with my friend again (who uses
Butterfly Innerforce ZLC ), I just serve soft and short balls to him. |
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f*d
发帖数: 1644 | 23 //shakehand
不过你好像经常正式非正式地打比赛的呀？偶是基本只偶尔练练球 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 24 if you are a shakehand, 搓 is not a good choice. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 25 For forehand, most people can handle better.
Lifting issues are applied to some shakehand players' backhand. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 26
Guozheng in his age, was not fit enough to carry his weight, he is a
little too short to cover whole court fast enough too.
But he is definitely one of the most talented players from China.
I couldn't believe how he could initiate attack as a shakehand
when he was facing match points... |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 27 Why not, as a Shakehand?? I don't understand what you mean. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 28
usually it is easier for penhold to initiate attacking, but against
Kim, esp facing match, team match points, Liu had the gut to initiate
attacking as a shakehand... which i consider was very brave.
He is a natural athlete, a fighter, unfortunately he didn't work out
his leg muscle enough (i recommended that to Mr Cai at FL, USOPEN 2000,
guess i was a too little person to be noticed by him) to support
his fast move to cover the court.
Guozheng's style could make him play at least as long as Ma ... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 29 the current shakehand (born in 77) is older than 小柳(born in 81 or 82) |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 30 I feel that maybe female-shake-approach is more useful for my learning as
male-penholder-RPB.
1. With RPB, we should play like shakehand with two-side looping.
2. Male top players (such as Xu XIn) are too fast (footwork) and too
professional and their approaches could not be learnt by me. Female approaches
may be deserved to learn.
In summary, as a male-penholder, I would learn female-shake-hand approach with consistent two-side loopping. |
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n**0
发帖数: 642 | 31 教授还真是认真阿，居然要找出shakehand的6个缺点。
对于我们业余的来说，在到一定程度之前，技术比战术更重要。我自己反正发完球就一
板，冲不死说明你牛，那我也没办法。
of
where
Wang |
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L**********g
发帖数: 94 | 32 A very spin backhand chop may cause problems to shakehand two-wing loopers. |
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h*******a
发帖数: 1753 | 35 直拍适合打近台.亚洲出直拍,是不是因为小时候打球的地方可能比较小.长大了,即使成
为专业的,握法已经固定了.金景娥,朴美英,朱世赫是不是都是家境"比较殷实"有地方退
台? 直拍的最大遗憾是没有削球手.
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一面长胶,一面反胶,UOFU用直拍还能倒板乐.
欧请教他对"冲击2000分"的高见,U兄说"光靠刻苦,不来点特殊的东西,很难." |
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j*g
发帖数: 820 | 37 纠结于直横可能会走很多弯路啊。
直改横不比练横打容易。
没横打也没什么，至少打到2600－2700没什么问题。参见老干妈高军。
当初我练横打，是觉得自己正手不错，老被人搓死在反手不甘心。后来才发现主要问题
还是在步法，身法和正手上。当初要是有高手指点，我可能连横打都不练了，先把更基
本的击球姿势问题纠正了再说。
当然横打还是很好玩的。学点新东西还是很快乐的。 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 39 If without good 步伐, the only choice is to use RPB if not changing to
shakehand. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 40 Who is rocnex ? Is the guy of bio-informatic person ?
Is rocnex shakehand or penholder ?
Maybe I need to go MD to play with rocnex to find out. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 41 Then, my mistake; there are three persons:
1) one: shakehand, used to be 1700+ 10 years ago, I also met once on an
airplane to China.
2) another one, 1900+ 10 years ago, penholder, consistent forehand loop.
3) Thrid guy in UT-Memphis student, penholder.
Which one > |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 42 I have a feeling that both people who changed to shakehand and those who
stick on penholder may be kind of losers, including myself. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 43 It's never too late to switch from penhold to shakehand style.
LOL. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 46 not every LGB could improve after switching to LP, it all depends on ur
styles,
if u are a 2 wing looper, i don't think u can improve after switching to LP
for
a few years at least.
We have a 1900 player in our club over 50, his level dropped at least one
level
after he swiched his backhand to LP as a shakehand. |
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SmartFarter (想放就放我最响亮) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:13:37 2010, 美东) 提到:
事先声明，实在是惨不忍睹，打算骂人的就免进了。纯娱乐。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVKGhVN5flw
版主，快给包子。
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usatt (usatt) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:31:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
8错8错...可惜我没包子
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junkywind (飘扬的垃圾) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:41:10 2010, 美东) 提到:
google?
这桌，这地，也忒寒碜了吧。。。。。。比人marvell差多了。
你们得好好跟board反应反应。
这俩都在club没见过
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 48 congrat.s for the great performance, is Terry Tam using penhold or
shakehand these days? |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 50 Are you talking about a young guy who plays shakehand with inverted forehand
and longpips backhand?
I played against him in our first team match at VeriSilicon Cup. I estimate
him to be 2300 at most. |
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