l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 1 As someone who is primarily a pen-holder but played one year and half
as shakehand reaching 1850 level, I can say, at armature level, what
matters is technique, not grip style.
However, at pro-level, I can surely say, the development of modern day
table tennis has rendered pen-holder style a lot inferior to shakehand.
Just look at the percentage of top-level pen-holder players in the
world. Particularly, look at these countries that are traditionally pen-
holder strong holder, Japan, Korea, and ... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 2 it becomes a fashion in bay area TT community... 2100 players N.Y., Terry
Tam etc
last night, i played at FC club, i was surprised to see Barry, a 2000 level
shakehand switched to penholder, he told me why?
1. There are more variations for penholder styles, uniqueness is part of
being fashionable.
2. Penholder backhand reverse looping is such an attractive skill, the men's
lead player is Wang Hao now, he is the most fashionable guy in TT world now.
Guys switched to penholder in order to learn th... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 3 How many people here use Shakehand ? How many people here are penholders?
Normally, in a typical club in US, penholders should be very limited unleass
there are a lot of chinese guys.
I felt that here in MITBBS there are a lot of penholders too. It is
interestring to see the number compared to the number of shakehand.
It is also to see the performance of the matches between shakhand vs
penholders |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 4 it is strange when i play single sided medium pip penholder, i
have no problem...but for shakehand, it is always harder to play
against 2 different rubber side players in our level, so i would
always suggest guys to try different rubbers in both sides. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 5 although we have 2 shakehands banzhu, just 1 penholder banzhu, i
believe there are more penholders here... |
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 6 横拍其实是个shortcut。对我来说，横拍的防守好是天然的。
特别是防弧圈球，很多时候，水平比我低的横拍能防住的，
我防不住。一个是训练不到位，另一个直拍不好控制，
需要比横拍多的多的时间来练习。而且有人说过，自从有了
台内拧，横拍小球的劣势也没了，加上发球横拍也追上来了。
似乎已经shakehand dominate了。这个不一定，其实直拍
有了横打以后，弱点也补好了。加上从前的前三板 和台内小球
的处理，（横拍在怎么样，正手台内小球部分还是不如直拍）
特别是要步伐，直拍不用正手攻的话肯定不行，加上直拍的人
脑子一定要活，变化多。打到top水平了，直拍横拍没区别了。
就和１８００，１９００的直拍横拍你能说谁更厉害？
区别在于，小孩子拿横拍可能练个半年就到了１８００，
直拍的要练１年甚至２年。 |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 7 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
chen91 (win) 于 (Fri Jul 23 17:33:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
as long as i see one, i always try to play to their smooth side, did not
work well,
it seems their backhands are better, they use the medium pips even when the
ball is
in the middle to forehand side.
any strategy or tips to against them?
at Baltimore, against one, i won the first game like 11:6, i thought i would
pull
a upset against a guy over 2100 from east coast, but he came back to beat me
3:1
easi... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 8 As a penholder, we should unit together to find out some common weakness of
shakehanders.
In USA, penholders are minority in overall (not for a particular club where
there are too many Chinese). In the top players, penholders are fewer: Wang
Hao, Ma Lin, Xu Xin, etc.
Therefore, as minority, we should unit as a one to summarize some common
weakness of shakehanders to produce the following list.
Techniques to beat a shakehand : (someone help to add?)
1. Since a penholder's forehand maybe more powe... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****I
发帖数: 166 | 9 99.99% 全新啦， 我就是试打了一下。 把柄都是包着的。
我另外还有几个不同的板子。
小提琴我有3种不同的配置， 你都可以试打一下。
Nittaku violin ( shakehand, FL) + Tenergy 05： 快攻+弧圈打法。
Nittaku violin ( shakehand, FL) + skyline III： 弧圈—+快攻。
Nittaku violin ( shakehand, FL) + skyline II： 弧圈+控制。
另外， 我还试过+ hurricaneIII， 快攻+弧圈。
+ Mark V， 弧圈+控制。
我另外有 Stiga Carbo 7.6 (FL, shakehand)+ Hurricane III+ Nittaku HAMMOND(内
能）， 这个属于暴利打法。 |
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i******d
发帖数: 248 | 10 电视上看到创总和默克尔在白宫会谈前被记者围了一圈。记者们起哄：Shakehands?
Shakehands? 创总装傻，女默以为创总没听懂，自己对创总说：“Shakehands?" 创总
还是不睬她，她失望的摇摇头。创总就是不鸟，默克尔只能爱恨交织了。
老头撅起来，谁拿他也没法子。创总和中国古代皇帝一样，不爱出国访问。好在全世界
有求于美国的国家太多，只能屁颠屁颠来朝觐，习大也不例外。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 11 it is never too late to start to train footwork, ZHang, HZ is older than
myself,
he trained his footwork 08-10...
It is also common knowledge that penholder needs faster footworker:
1. one side penholder needs to use forehand a lot more often,
2. penholder w/ RPB still needs to cover 5-10% more due to the way the
racket
is held, shakehand's racket can cover 5-10cm more space.
3. shakehand has middle as their weakness, so they normally just to move
their
bodies to hit the ball against their bodie... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 12 depends your talents of using penholder RPB..
there are a few 2000-2200 guys in bay area switched from shakehand
to penholder and easily reached their shakehand levels.
if you can improve ur PRB as well as ur shakehand backhand, you are
there since you will get the serve/return/3rd ball attack advantage
of being a penholder. |
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w***z
发帖数: 771 | 13 Everything has its weakness and there is no moat for shakehand, but the matt
er of the fact is what you are fighting with is the person who is holding th
e shakehand rather than the shakehand itslef.
To find your opponent's weakness might be more meaningful
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 15 my best win was winning runner-up in event U2250 back to 21 points age.
3 way-tie in our group, i beat a hardbat 1800s 2:0 easily, who beat
the 2200 shakehand (Philipine former national team player) 2:0,
i lost to the shakehand 0:2, but counting the point, i advanced as
a 1700s player. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 16 i do not think by changing ur backhand to LP could easily improve
ur level, unless u are one sided penholders (for some, it did)
Penholder has natually weak backhand, they either add LPs on their
backhand, or learn reverse backhand looping, otherwise change
to shakehand as a blocker(could use LPs on their backhans).
for a looper shakehand, u might try to use short pips/medium
pips to see if it works for u, unless u like to try to be a
chopper, do not need to try LPs. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 17
Steve has the drive to get to our team I, i guess, did he add a
smooth or short pips side?
From the limited contact i had with Ken, he is a nice person.
NY used to be a penholder until he reached his penholder limit
almost 1900, before he swiched to shakehand. He maybe likes to
learn 横打 in order to teach 横打 students:-)
One unique case: one HK 2100+ shakehand changed to penholder
in order to learm 横打. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18 ur game is very solid and all-rounds, in ur level, ur backhand is
key to beat same level shakehands, that may be the reason i feel
u have better chance to beat a 2250 shakehand than a 2250 penholder.
In order to break ur career high, u need better core strength, so
that you would not easily get injured (i know u are a hard trainer)
also your forehand would be a lot more powerful.
There are a lot of good ways to improve your core strength, u can
easily google it.
P90X is one of the good choices! |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 19
another good point for WMTT is he could play his full level in tough
matches.
whereas i see some shakehands couldn't play their real skill level in
tournaments. maybe it is NOt because of being shakehand, it is more
being mental tough. |
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t****1
发帖数: 873 | 20 Yes, that's him and he is a good player. Is he in CA these days?
I haven't seen him for several weeks now.
Well, I don't know if you are using penhold or shakehand.
Basically, when he does not serve heavy under-spin, you would have to put
the ball close to his body (middle of the table) so he cannot easily launch
attack.
If you are a penhold, when blocking his forehand loops, try to block them
with left side-spin (towards his left side).
If you shakehand, you need to have certain level of all a... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****t
发帖数: 1276 | 21 by the way, i think lz should give up HengDa and change to Shakehand. it's
too hard to achieve anything. my hengda is better than you, but still gets
nowhere. after changing to shakehand, i feel much better and more enjoyable. |
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 22 跳绳
跳哑铃
徒手
Meng Tien - Full time coach, ICC table tennis center
Meng Tian is a professional Table Tennis player from China, LiaoNing
provincial team. She masters both Penhold and Shakehand styles by
starting as a shakehand player then later switched to penhold to match
better with her teammates Wang Nan and Guo Yue. She has short pips on
her forehand for fast attacking and inverted rubber on her Reverse
Penholder backhand for fast looping.
Meng Tien also won 2010 U.S. Open Championship for women'... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 23 Hokieman: i could see you used to play penholder.
after u switched to shakehand, i didn't see your game took
advantage of being a shakehand, no hitting/looping from
backhand at all.
whereas maybe u lost some serve/serve return/short ball
advantage of being a penholder. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 24 that will become more and more like shakehand, why not just change to
shakehand?
it also needs less and less footwork.
I have not seen a good male penholder who can use RPB as well as his
forehand.
Even 2600s coach xiao Liu still uses his forehand mostly.
But for some girls, due to the fact their forehand is not powerful enough,
they would have as consistent RPB as their forehand, eg Zhao Yue, Jiaqi... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 25 i guess besides 2 choppers, the real LP player is just Steve, one
player, others use less than 40%, some like myself less than 15%..
The reason there are so many pip players is that we are older,
either add a LP on back side or changed to shakehand with pips on
the back.
Back to 70s, 80s, very few shakehand players in China, let alone
RPB. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 26 A shakehand with good backhand looper can do 直板横打 easily. On the other
hand, since I learned 直板横打, I can do pretty good backhand loop using
shakehand Without any learning too, |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 27 consistentcy: Shakehand is better than penholder.
Defense: Shakehand is better than penholder. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 28 Sorry . Typo.
Here: One reason that I did NOT change shakehand: I did not want to admit
that I was a
loser for choosing how to hold a paddle.
IN other words, If I would have changed to Shakehand, I would have admitted
my mistake. Therefore I did not want to admit any mistake so that I did not
change. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 29 i chatted with him at USOPen 2000, at the dinner table with Wei, Qinguang..
Liu Song told me he started as a penholder, but with a weaker backhand,
his coach from Guangxi(same as Wei's) suggested him to change to shakehand,
but his backhand as shakehand was still very weak, so he changed to LP in
his backhand.
Now, 12 years later, he still could win Pam-Am men's single to qualify for
London 2012, good for him! |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 30 Most so called pen-holder advantage here are the myth.
If you played both pen-holder and shakehand, you would know, pen-holder's
forehand is not as powerful as shakehand.
of
where
Wang
the scene using our forehand to attack/loop first.
to find chances to use it. |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 31 支持这个观点.
对付shakehand的最好方法就是也换成shakehand.象我这种,呵呵. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 32 Thanks, MJ
How much discount 蝴蝶蛋?
Such as T05, I will see discount to see how many I need them,
Also I am thinking to buy a shakehand blade ($240) -- I need to make a
decision in a couple of days to change shakehand or not. |
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g*******e
发帖数: 4737 | 33 Angela and Renee.
没见过真人。不过叫这名字都挺好看的。给你个图做reference.
具体资料你查msctt email
(转）
Please join me to welcome our new coaches. We have 2 new female
coaches just arriving this past weekend.
They are Angela(YiYun) Zhang and Renee(RuiNi) Li.
Angela Zhang was a former Chinese Henan Provincial Team. She was in Japan
for last a few years before coming to the States. She was the number 1
ranking women in Kyushu, Japan. She is a right hand shakehand player.
Renee Li is from Chinese LiaoNing Provinal team. She ju... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 35 | 34 Hi all:
There is a new table tennis place called 123PingPong and the coaches are:
1) Zhang, WeiJian (2582) lefty shakehand, with pips-out on the
backhand side
2) Zhang, Jinge (2321) righty penhold, specailize on reversed
penhold backhand
3) Zheng, Hao(Sylvia) (2070) lefty shakehand, 2-wing looping style
They are hosting summer camp:
http://www.123pingpong.com/main/Training.aspx
•$340 weekly rate for whole day session
•$180 weekly rate for hlaf day session
And there... 阅读全帖 |
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b****g
发帖数: 7311 | 35 发球讲的很好。为啥要多发侧旋，我一直讲不清楚。马龙讲的很清楚。
1:00 -- (1) Serving With The Shakehand Grip
1:03 -- »» Short Forehand Serve
4:56 -- »» Long Forehand Serve
7:57 -- »» Short Backhand Serve
11:08 -- (2) Shakehand Basics
11:11 -- »» Forehand Drive
11:23 -- »» The Forehand Grip
14:56 -- »» Backhand Drive
18:29 -- »» Transitioning Between Forehand & Backhand
23:40 -- (3) Variations in Service Receive
23:43 -- »» Service Receive, 'Push' & ... 阅读全帖 |
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C****g
发帖数: 2220 | 36 Birth Year
1995
Home
San Jose, California
Birth Place
Fremont, California
http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/HS/Ariel-Hsing.aspx
Height: 5' 5"
Weight: 115 lbs
Coach: Massimo Costantini, Dennis Davis, Stefan Feth, Zhenshi Li, Zhou Xin,
Hailong Shen, JianXu Liu, Meng Tian, and Dan Liu
Handed: Right
Grip: Shakehands
Style of Play: Two Wing Attacker
Rubber: Both sides inverted
Club Affiliation: ICC, New York Athletic Club, Palo Alto, World Champions
Table Tennis Academy
Competition Record:
2012 US Olym... 阅读全帖 |
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C****g
发帖数: 2220 | 37 Birth Year
1996
Home
Palo Alto, California
Birth Place
Palo Alto, California
http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/ZH/Lily-Zhang.aspx
Birth Year: 1996
Home Club: ICC, SVTTC
Home Town: Palo Alto, CA
Education:
High School:
Coach(es): Massimo Costantini, Xin Zhou, Dan Liu, Maggie Tian, Steven Wang,
Yan Zhe Liu
Height and Weight: 5.45”, 113 lbs
Handed: Right
Style of Play: Allround
Grip: Shakehands
Sponsors: ICC, NYAC
Highest Rating: 2544
Competition Record/Titles:
2012 US Olympic Team Member: Singles & ... 阅读全帖 |
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J*V
发帖数: 3150 | 38 http://www.teamusa.org/~/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Images/National Team/ariel_hsing.jpg
Birth Year
1995
Home
San Jose, California
Birth Place
Fremont, California
http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/HS/Ariel-Hsing.aspx
Height: 5' 5"
Weight: 115 lbs
Coach: Massimo Costantini, Dennis Davis, Stefan Feth, Zhenshi Li, Zhou Xin,
Hailong Shen, JianXu Liu, Meng Tian, and Dan Liu
Handed: Right
Grip: Shakehands
Style of Play: Two Wing Attacker
Rubber: Both sides inverted
Club Affiliation: ICC, New York Athletic C... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******r
发帖数: 425 | 40 shakehand. you mean $500, right? |
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B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 41 /shakehands!
有趣第一！xjb闹滚蛋！
当然无论黑蜜，标准要统一哈 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 44 welcome, who are u? lefty shakehand is my ideal double partner, haha. |
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h*******a
发帖数: 1753 | 45 ID: Huiyuanka (老宋）
NYC
~1700
Shakehand looper
Stiga WRB Legend
Forehand Stiga Neos Sound
Backhand Butterfly Tempest |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 46 Do you like InnerForce ZLC + T05 So far ?
I am thinking to buy InnerForce ZLC + T05 +T05 if my wife agrees (near $380).
Do you use Pen-hold or shakehand ? |
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h*******a
发帖数: 1753 | 47 ID: Huiyuanka (老宋）
NYC
~1700
Shakehand looper
Stiga WRB Legend
Forehand Stiga Neos Sound
Backhand Butterfly Tempest |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 48 Do you like InnerForce ZLC + T05 So far ?
I am thinking to buy InnerForce ZLC + T05 +T05 if my wife agrees (near $380).
Do you use Pen-hold or shakehand ? |
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