g*q
发帖数: 26623 | 1 果然是用不断踩油门再踩刹车的办法
In Sikes' case, Toyota said it found he rapidly pressed the gas and brakes
back and forth 250 times, the maximum amount of data that the car's self-
diagnostic system can collect. That account appears to contradict Sikes'
statement — backed by the California Highway Patrol — that he was
frantically slamming the brakes, at one point lifting his buttocks off the
seat. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 2 这个问题其实还有分歧，现在还没确定疯田自动加速是油门卡住了还是软件方面的问题，
如果如疯田所说仅仅是卡住了，那么这个事例可以很明确的证明sikes在造假，但是如
果是软件问题呢？
假设你遇到自动加速你会干什么？
你会不会不断的快速去踩油门看是不是油门卡住了？
然后去踩刹车？
尤其手忙脚乱的情况下
仅凭疯田说“gas and brakes 250次”是没法确认sikes造假的。 |
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j*****n
发帖数: 1781 | 3 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
gjq (who am i?) 于 (Tue Mar 16 01:11:42 2010, 美东) 提到:
果然是用不断踩油门再踩刹车的办法
In Sikes' case, Toyota said it found he rapidly pressed the gas and brakes
back and forth 250 times, the maximum amount of data that the car's self-
diagnostic system can collect. That account appears to contradict Sikes'
statement — backed by the California Highway Patrol — that he was
frantically slamming the brakes, at one point lifting his buttocks off the
seat.
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p******x
发帖数: 441 | 4 看到“Toyota said...”下面就不用看了。车在他手上，还不是他想怎么说就怎么说。
有些人也不看清楚现在的形势：这辆车刚补修过，接着就又自动加速了，如果toyota承
认这个是真事，那就相当于承认他最近说的关于安全的那些话，做的那些新广告，都是
骗人的。这个不亚于给自己扔一颗原子弹。现在toyota的策略无非就是硬撑，同时软硬
兼施搞定Sikes，让他认下来是讹诈，到时候再让技术人员把这辆车“修改”一下，真
相就永远没人知道了。
大家都是中国人，犯不着买了辆toyota就一辈子给他做免费车托。 |
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T*U
发帖数: 22634 | 5 NHSTA要是能够自己调查，要联合Toyota干嘛？所有技术报告都来自Toyota，当初脚垫
不也联合调查
的结果。Toyota曾经撒过谎，不排除通过搞大这事杀鸡吓猴，sikes也不是善辈，我保
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a***o
发帖数: 3734 | 7 这个也很难当作直接证据。有一种说法就是ecu的油门信号有问题才会自动
加速。如果ecu误读了油门信号，怎么能证明sikes的确是在不断踩油门？ |
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a********x
发帖数: 1339 | 8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius#Brake_fix_and_acceleration
撇开加速不说, 这哥的credibility 可不怎么可靠.
On March 8, 2010, a 2008 Prius allegedly uncontrollably accelerated to 94
miles per hour on a California Highway (US), and the Prius had to be stopped
with the verbal assistance of the California Highway Patrol as news cameras
watched [86]. Subsequent to the event, media investigations uncovered
suspicious information about the alleged runaway Prius driver, 61-year old
James Sikes, including false |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 10 Sikes' fears of shifting to neutral
太好笑了 |
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b*****t
发帖数: 3928 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 SanDiego 讨论区 】
发信人: baddest (I am badder), 信区: SanDiego
标 题: 参观了历史文物。Sikes Adobe Historical Farmstead
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 14 16:59:25 2013, 美东)
前几天路过那里，好奇，所以周末去转了转。Lake Hodges东北侧，紧挨着那个高尔夫
练球场。每个周日还有farmer market。去的时候，有几个帐篷，卖些点心装饰等等。
这个历史文物，好像不太有名。反正我是刚刚知道。文物都是儿时的常见武器，但在这
边好像就很有摆设的价值。前后里外溜达了一圈，算到此一游了。房子03年重新修复。
被07大火烧毁。10年又重新修建。旁边有个hiking trail，可以锻炼走走。 |
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i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 12 哦，如果是按钮式点火，紧急时刻还真想不到长按熄火。总之至今toyota自动加速事件
，已经调查的案例除了一例sedan里误装了suv的脚垫而卡住油门外，剩下的无法证明车
辆有任何问题，只能推测是驾驶员踩错踏板。而且还出了一起诈骗案。
On March 8, 2010, a 2008 Prius allegedly uncontrollably accelerated to 94
miles per hour on a California Highway (US), and the Prius had to be stopped
with the verbal assistance of the California Highway Patrol as news cameras
watched.[172] The incident received national news coverage, with initial
reporting including inaccurate information about the event, such as the
claim that ... 阅读全帖 |
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y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 13 The unintended acceleration case of the second-generation Prius belonging to
James Sikes now officially has an interesting backstory. Apparently, accord
ing to USAToday, Sikes' "case against Toyota is starting to look shaky." Why
? Two reasons. First, and most important, is the technical argument. Toyota
is saying that Sikes' Prius has a brake override system that should have slo
wed the car down in the situation Sikes has described to the media and to in
vestigators. Also, looking at Audi's his |
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发帖数: 3693 | 14 Some interesting thing James Sikes, the driver for that Prius :
http://autos.aol.com/article/prius-driver-scam/
The reports indicate that prior to his unintended acceleration incident,
James Sikes and his wife -- both realtors -- found themselves grappling with
California's notorious housing bubble and filed for bankruptcy in 2008.
Reports show they have $700,000 in debt to their names. He already had a
motor home, Mercedes-Benz automobile and Dodge Truck repossessed in the
proceedings with cred... 阅读全帖 |
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 15 CHP aids driver of runaway Prius
EL CAJON — James Sikes was on his way home to Jacumba yesterday afternoon,
driving his blue Toyota Prius on a winding stretch of Interstate 8, when he
encountered a car that was going a little too slow. Sikes hit the
accelerator, totally unprepared for what happened next.
“It did something kind of funny,” said Sikes, 61. “It just stuck there.”
For about 30 hair-raising miles beginning near Lake Jennings Park Road near
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 SanDiego 讨论区 】
发信人: Beida101 (北大学子), 信区: SanDiego
标 题: CHP aids driver of runaway Prius
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 9 02:39:21 2010, 美东)
CHP aids driver of runaway Prius
EL CAJON — James Sikes was on his way home to Jacumba yesterday afternoon,
driving his blue Toyota Prius on a winding stretch of Interstate 8, when he
encountered a car that was going a little too slow. Sikes hit the
accelerator, totally unprepared for what happened next.
“It did something kind of funny,” said Sikes, 61. |
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k******o
发帖数: 267 | 17 Reporting from Los Angeles and El Cajon, Calif. - James Sikes bought his
Toyota Prius in 2008, and 53,000 miles later the car was driving fine. But
on Monday afternoon, when he accelerated to pass another vehicle on
Interstate 8 east of San Diego, the car kept going.
"The gas pedal stuck open all the way," said Sikes, 61, a real estate agent
from San Diego.
For 30 miles, Sikes said, he swerved in and out of traffic, narrowly missing
a big rig and trying desperately to slow the vehicle down, at o |
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 18 看这段话的意思好像切换到n档不管用啊
那么多招数用上才减到50mph，最后关掉引擎才停下来
Niebert said he instructed Sikes to put the car in neutral and hit the
emergency brake and the floor brakes simultaneously. This, plus a slight
incline, helped Sikes slow the car to about 50 mph. Finally, he was going
slow enough to turn off the power, |
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 19 Niebert said he instructed Sikes to put the car in neutral and hit the
emergency brake and the floor brakes simultaneously. This, plus a slight
incline, helped Sikes slow the car to about 50 mph. Finally, he was going
slow enough to turn off the power,
这个算不算？
你就别费尽心机替疯田开脱了 |
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 20 那你把我给你的话翻译成中文
看看是我理解错了还是你装傻
什么很难说，就是换n无效
原文在这儿
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/32083963.html
Niebert said he instructed Sikes to put the car in neutral and hit the
emergency brake and the floor brakes simultaneously. This, plus a slight
incline, helped Sikes slow the car to about 50 mph. Finally, he was going
slow enough to turn off the power, something he had been reluctant to do for
fear of losing control when the car was speeding. With Niebert’s patrol
car in front of him as a barr |
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p******h
发帖数: 33 | 21 真佩服某些人的狡辩能力。
The officer directed Mr. Sikes to turn off the ignition and put the car into
neutral, but Mr. Sikes shook his head to indicate neither action worked,
Officer Pennings said.
Toyota Motor Corp. and federal investigators probed the latest report of sud
den acceleration Tuesday, a dramatic incident on a California highway that r
icocheted around the Internet.
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p******x
发帖数: 441 | 24 我觉得这个事不是假的。真要作假，打完911的电话就直接一头撞墙，一来毁车灭迹，
二来告toyota的时候也能多要钱。
有人说这款prius有brake override，既然这样的话，为啥去年toyota还要召回这款车
？而且有媒体透露，截至09年2月份的时候，NHTSA收到超过100人次的针对2010款Prius
刹车的投诉。08款的只会更差。
有人说那个当事人Sikes是收了GM，Ford的钱来搞toyota，这个也太脑残了，真要是三
大下黑手，技术活一定做的天衣无缝，不可能随便给人看出破绽。
Sikes的事现在闹得这么大，估计他和律师正在和toyota谈判，收一大笔钱就认是自己
的过失。我觉得toyota十有八九会给这个钱，一来可以用讹诈受害者的地位博取公众同
情争取支持者，二来可以向公众暗示铺天盖地的自动加速事故都是别有企图的人做的假
，三来可以威慑潜在的投诉者。这个效果不是一般广告都达到的。
这次事故不排除toyota自编自导搞无间道的可能。 |
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d*****i
发帖数: 1078 | 26 http://jalopnik.com/5493693/america-you-brought-the-toyota-hoax-on-
yourself
别整天抱怨这个抱怨那个
No matter how the Great Toyota Recall and Jim Sikes saga end, two things
are certain: One, American drivers are sheep, and two, yes, this will
happen again.
So: Jim Sikes perpetrated a hoax, the media is confused and salacious,
the demonization of Toyota is no longer so cut and dried, and the
automobile as we know it is caught in the crossfire. Faced with all
this, we have but one question: Why did no one se |
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O***n
发帖数: 13127 | 27 看来没猜错。
SAN DIEGO – Investigators with Toyota Motor Corp. and the federal
government were unable to make a Toyota Prius speed out of control as its
owner said it did on a California freeway, according to a memorandum
obtained Saturday by The Associated Press that a congressional spokesman
says casts doubt on the driver's story.
James Sikes, 61, called 911 on Monday to report losing control of his Prius
as the hybrid reached speeds of 94 mph. A California Highway Patrol officer
helped Sikes bring |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 29 确实
我查了一下相关的州法,对于学校举办的活动及学校产业上的持枪用枪,
州法有专门一节,F.S. 790.115做了专门规定:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_
"
790.115 Possessing or discharging weapons or firearms at a school-sponsored
event or on school property prohibited; penalties; exceptions.br />
"
基本上是禁止一系列包括火器在内的武器在上述地点,但同时有如下exception:
"
(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device,
destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including
a razor blade or box cutter, ex... 阅读全帖 |
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w*****r
发帖数: 405 | 30 Prius with stuck accelerator glides to safe stop
EL CAJON, Calif. – A California Highway Patrol officer helped slow a
runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph to a safe stop on Monday after the car's
accelerator became stuck on a San Diego County freeway, the CHP said.
Prius driver James Sikes called 911 about 1:30 p.m. after accelerating to
pass another vehicle on Interstate 8 near La Posta and finding that he could
not control his car, the CHP said.
"I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did som |
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 31 文中说的很明白吧，
This, plus a slight
incline, helped Sikes slow the car to about 50 mph. Finally, he was going
slow enough to turn off the power,
是我英文太差还是理解力太差？ |
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p******r
发帖数: 6213 | 32 不过driver自己说只有刹车起作用了.其他的都没用.
Sikes said he called 911 for help, and dispatchers talked him through instructions on how he might be able to stop the car. But nothing worked.
在 boycott (haha) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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p******r
发帖数: 6213 | 33 有
At one point, Sikes said he reached down to try to pull the accelerator up,
but it "stayed right where it was."
cnn |
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R***a
发帖数: 41892 | 34 显然是你理解错误了。
这里没有N档无效的必然推断。
一个推断就是由于过热和失真空，手刹和脚刹无效。
空档和上小坡使得速度降低到50 mph。当然到了50 mph，
光靠一个惯性上小坡也无法立刻停下来。但是车主觉得
可以控制了，就把发动机关了（LA Times: Landeros didn't know why the driver
waited until his speed had dropped to turn off the engine, but the officer
speculated that Sikes feared losing the car's power steering.
)
这里也没有对比实验说关了发动机能不能让车停得更快。
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 35 你还逻辑呢
发动机一关刹车助力就没了
刹车距离只能变长，不可能更短
看看你自己说的：
这里也没有对比实验说关了发动机能不能让车停得更快。
而且从现有报道来看，车主就是进行了换n档，拉手刹，使劲踩刹车不间断
从其描述就知道，一边用力踩刹车，一边去扳油门踏板
最后只是把车速降到50左右，
直到最后关了发动机才把车子速度降下来，有个新闻还说是
With Niebert’s patrol
car in front of him as a barrier, Sikes finally brought the Prius to a halt. |
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R***a
发帖数: 41892 | 36
你必须排除其他可能才能说N档一定无效，而我说的
刹车可能也不灵这个可能你自己爱信不信，但是你无法否认。
你的逻辑不就是看报道说前面1,2,3,4都没让车停下来，看报道说车主
还做了5-关发动机才让车停下来么，所以前面3肯定无效。
我是按照你的逻辑，按照你又加贴的新闻，说警车还做了6-从前面顶住prius车才停下
来，
所以依照你的逻辑，前面5-关发动机无效
I was on the brakes pretty healthy,James Sikes, the Prius driver, said on
NBC after telling news organizations his car reached speeds of 90 mph on U.S
. Interstate 8 outside San Diego. 揑t wasn抰 stopping. It wasn抰 doing
anything to it. It just kept speeding up
这都是车主话，我点了4,5个报告了，
每个都提到车主说刹车没用，
奇怪的是为啥你就看不到呢？你说的N档无效这4,5个包 |
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p******r
发帖数: 6213 | 37 那不是你引用条子的话说的嘛. 不过CNN的报道的确说driver自己说的, 只有刹车有用,
其他的都没用.
Sikes said he called 911 for help, and dispatchers talked him through
instructions on how he might be able to stop the car. But nothing worked. |
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m**5
发帖数: 729 | 39 Investigation Raises Questions on Prius Incident
By KATE LINEBAUGH
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704734304575120001542947616.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
A federal safety investigation of the Toyota Prius that was involved in a
dramatic incident on a California highway last week found a particular
pattern of wear on the car's brakes that raises questions about the driver's
version of the event, three people familiar with the investigation said.
On Monday James Sikes, 61 years old, cal |
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 41 APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story
By ELLIOT SPAGAT and KEN THOMAS (AP) – 56 minutes ago
SAN DIEGO — Investigators with Toyota Motor Corp. and the federal
government were unable to make a Toyota Prius speed out of control as its
owner said it did on a California freeway, according to a memorandum
obtained Saturday by The Associated Press that a congressional spokesman
says casts doubt on the driver's story.
James Sikes, 61, called 911 on Monday to report losing control of his Prius |
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d*****i
发帖数: 1078 | 43 如果这件事情最后证实是sikes作假。。。他帮了toyota大忙了 |
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M***s
发帖数: 8769 | 44 如果最后查出来Toyota聘用Sikes造假，那就杯具大了 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 46 很想知道警察是怎样帮助Sikes把车刹住的，据说不能换到空档。而事后的调查证明可
以换到空档 |
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d*****i
发帖数: 1078 | 47 你还真当真。。。哈哈。。看看sikes同学怎么收场把。。我是准备看笑话料。。一帮p
民开不来车子。
。乱叫。。。哈哈。。现在没人信了哈哈哈 |
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b*****l
发帖数: 1594 | 48 你仔细看了这篇所谓的报道了？我看不出任何证据能证明sikes作假。倒是丰田明显是
在强词夺理。什么叫没有发现异常。那几十个撞死的人的车到现在也没发现任何异常。
他现在没发现异常就证明当时没有异常？我给你灌点不死人的泄药，过三天，你也没有
任何异常。
还有什么前后刹车磨损不一样。丫得怎么证明不是这辆车的刹车就是有问题，丰田能保
证所有的维护都是好好的？这里恐怕大多数人都有过在dealer维护车反倒修出毛病的经
历。
尤其是丰田还整了个什么不愿透露姓名的内奸，出来说对方如何如何扒拉扒拉。怎么看
这位才怎么可疑呢。
帮p |
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d*****i
发帖数: 1078 | 49 我1不开t, 2从来不考虑买t...这件事情更本和我没关系..只不过看不惯一群煞笔练傻.
.不过sikes
出来后..形式不一样啦..以后谁在自动加速就是0 credibility了
每年出事故死掉的人那么多我一个一个去拜访?...你给我一个上帝的称号先 |
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p******r
发帖数: 6213 | 50 toyota车肯定是有问题,否则加州条子也不至于拉着LP小舅子一家共赴黄泉. 但这次这
个prius的情况好象是没多少有利于Sikes的证据啊.
另外同学们能不能以事论事,少点人参公鸡? |
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