m****u 发帖数: 270 | 1 when describing Christianity as a whole ,people use holy to emphasize their
attachment to Christ, but not the holiness of themselves. That's a key diffe
rence.
Cannot imagine a self-conscious sinner will label himself devine or blemishl
ess...
When depicting individual, I really doubt it means "圣洁“,
esp. as self-description. “devoted"的意思是“全心侍奉的”。强调的是和God之间
的关系,
而不是自称圣洁。
象圣女贞德这种称谓,就断断不沾边了。。。 |
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z****t 发帖数: 106 | 2 这里我是指我个人并不认为圣经字字真理,是科学上的正确无误。但通过阅读它,能让
我可以对自己的生活多一些积极正确的体会,让心理更平静。也许我不该说“我们..的
钥匙”,因为我不知道其他人的情况不能对其他人判断。但我觉得我个人还是从中受益
良多的,至少是“我..的钥匙”.
我对"神造人,爱我们"的理解是这样的。我觉得这信念能给我一种心灵上的支持力量,
觉得我的存在是有意义的,活着是有目的,冥冥中自有主宰。
我以前不是这么想,是坚定的无神论者,觉得一切都能自己把握。后来发生好多事,才
觉得个人很渺小,人生之事不如意者十之八九。当时我实在走头无路,死马当活马医,
我就找了个教堂。我那时仔细的把书结合自己经历看,和牧师讨论了好多次。看着看着
我就想开了好多,我的情况也好起来了。慢慢我就从不信变成信了。
耶稣不是说吗,"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have
not come to call the righteous, but sinners."我信了以后觉得就是这样,当我最
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e***a 发帖数: 1982 | 3 我真高兴,我居然看懂了!
真高兴你想开了,走出了低谷
这里我是指我个人并不认为圣经字字真理,是科学上的正确无误。但通过阅读它,能让
我可以对自己的生活多一些积极正确的体会,让心理更平静。也许我不该说“我们..的
钥匙”,因为我不知道其他人的情况不能对其他人判断。但我觉得我个人还是从中受益
良多的,至少是“我..的钥匙”.
我对"神造人,爱我们"的理解是这样的。我觉得这信念能给我一种心灵上的支持力量,
觉得我的存在是有意义的,活着是有目的,冥冥中自有主宰。
我以前不是这么想,是坚定的无神论者,觉得一切都能自己把握。后来发生好多事,才
觉得个人很渺小,人生之事不如意者十之八九。当时我实在走头无路,死马当活马医,
我就找了个教堂。我那时仔细的把书结合自己经历看,和牧师讨论了好多次。看着看着
我就想开了好多,我的情况也好起来了。慢慢我就从不信变成信了。
耶稣不是说吗,"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have
not come to call the righteous, but sinners."我信了以后觉 |
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y***y 发帖数: 4957 | 4 pat pat, u misunderstood la. i admit i am a sinner too and i will die
someday too. dont worry! |
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 5 (此文根据网上资料编辑而成,非原创)
圣经里说了,耶稣是唯一之路:
John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me."
Isaiah 45:21 "There is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me."
这使得基督教具有极大的排他性。"According to an article by Daniel Taylor in
Christianity Today, many Americans consider the worst sin to be intolerance.
And guess who are the worst sinners, at least in the minds of many
Americans? Evangelical Christians!"
http://www.preaching.com/reso |
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x***x 发帖数: 3401 | 6 so you shouldn't say something is '原则性错误' . there is no place for you,
the sinner, to judge god's rule. |
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l*****d 发帖数: 754 | 7 Agree.
1. Christians are still sinners and can still commit sins.
2. God will judge and discipline christians according to
their behavior.
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B********e 发帖数: 19317 | 8
christian keep saying to others: we all sinners, regardless you realize/
admit it or not. |
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 9 大家可以看看梵蒂冈官方是怎么说的。这样算是“因信称义”么?我觉得就是这个意思
。很想知道说天主教反对“因信称义”的,你们是从哪里读到听到的?是天主教教会和
神父说的,还是不信天主教的人说的?
4.3 Justification by Faith and through Grace
25.We confess together that sinners are justified by faith in the saving
action of God in Christ. By the action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they
are granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis for the whole
Christian life. They place their trust in God's gracious promise by
justifying faith, which includes hope in God and love for him. Such a fai |
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R***n 发帖数: 733 | 10 we are not victims, we are sinners. |
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j*******7 发帖数: 6300 | 11 I admit that "Jesus died for sinners" is not about just.
Now I realize Jesus received justice instead of us, while we received
mercy. |
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A**n 发帖数: 1703 | 13 凡人都会被“公义”掉么?这我不知道啊。好像圣经里说了
sinner都会死,凡人么,不是神仙,自然都会死的。 |
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 14 海地人自己都说是神的惩罚,你咋就说不是呢?就因为约伯说了“人受苦并不一定都是
因为他做错了什么事”?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/opinion/14bhatia.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
、、、
If God exists, he’s really got it in for Haiti. Haitians think so, too. Zed
, a housekeeper in my apartment complex, said God was angry at sinners
around the world, but especially in Haiti. Zed said the quake had fortified
her faith, and that she understood it as divine retribution.
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R***n 发帖数: 733 | 15 WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
We all have our share of trouble and suffering. The root of all our misery
is sin, because it separates us from God, the source and joy of life, and
brings upon us His displeasure. Moreover, Judgement Day is approaching and
sinners are in danger of everlasting fire in Hell.
Various religions promise deliverance and life. However, we are not
interested in human opinions, because the Scripture warns us that “the
world through wisdom did not know God.” Rather, we should |
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C****W 发帖数: 77 | 16 殊不知JD教这种一桶浆糊的梦想是通过铁马金戈做后盾来实现的, 后面掩埋的是多少其
他民族文化的屈辱和血泪啊.
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你说的那是伊斯兰,基督教的传播可不能简单化为"金戈铁马”.
其一, 中国农村的传统社会结构是以宗族为基础的. ==============================
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宗族曾经是事实,但不能这种结构是最先进的,何况现在已经不一样了.
中国人历来相信只有行恶之人才会下地狱, 你是信佛信道倒无所谓. 而且中国的文化中
有轮回之说.即使前辈子是恶人, 但下辈子行善也可以再投好胎. 恶人在受过惩罚以后
也有改过自新的机会.
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关于善恶标准,基督教的坐标和中国传统不一样,所以产生一些误解, 中国传统是以世俗
标准判断善恶的,所以有人称为好人,有人称为坏人,而基督教是以神的标准来定的,所以
有人人是SINNER之说.基督教重视的不是评 |
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l*****y 发帖数: 9433 | 17 也就是中国是以人的标准来判定善恶,基教以神的标准? 那么你自己呢?
关于善恶标准,基督教的坐标和中国传统不一样,所以产生一些误解, 中国传统是以世俗
标准判断善恶的,所以有人称为好人,有人称为坏人,而基督教是以神的标准来定的,所以
有人人是SINNER之说.基督教重视的不是评判谁是好人谁是坏人,而是劝人悔改,归向更
好的方向.这可能要慢慢讨论. |
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l*****y 发帖数: 9433 | 18 yet u christian repeat the same sin over and over again, that's the true
meaning of " a sinner" , i guess, lol |
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a****q 发帖数: 100 | 19 I believe repentance and faith are the gifts from God who shows His Mercy on
a poor sinner. Romans 9:16 says: So then it is not of him that willeth, nor
of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. |
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 20 代发
Amazing Grace歌曲的簡單介紹:
還有部叫"Amazing Grace"的電影,是關於William Wilberforce廢除黑奴交易的傳記性
電影。
當地的圖書館都能借到:
Title:
Amazing grace [videorecording (DVD)]
Subjects:
Wilberforce, William, 1759-1833.
Newton, John, 1725-1807.
Great Britain--History--18th century.
Antislavery movements--Great Britain.
Biographical films.
我非常喜歡影片中John Newton對William說的一句話,,相信也是每個基督徒的心繫:
'I'm old; my memory is fading. I remember two things quite clearly: I am a
great sinner and Christ is a great Savior.' |
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w*****e 发帖数: 226 | 21 我以前一直不觉得这句话怎么样。
现在发现用在某人身上真是合适。
他的空虚,不安全感,都是我从没见过的。
我也有过类似的经历,好在没发展成病态之前就
得救。这种空虚和不安全感演变成的偏执,真
是实力强大。怪不得大家跟他说两句就没劲了。
主创造这个世界,那么多东西可爱,但受他纠缠
真是麻烦。也许主也是在这件事上让我们看到
对他的需要吧。
希望我身边的人,和我自己,都远离他的这种
厄运。看到主的光辉。愿他自己早日看到
自己的缺陷,心中的饥渴,得到主的救治。
不再偏执于无意义的争吵。Amen |
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w*****e 发帖数: 226 | 23 明显是non-believer.
如果是基督徒,你对人的爱呢? |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 24 呵呵,如果是基督徒的话,那不但要咒他入地狱,还要把他放到火柱上烤,送他入地狱. |
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R*****a 发帖数: 282 | 25 前几天明明有一位基督徒说了爱不一定是如蜜甘甜也有如烈火般火热的 |
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w*****e 发帖数: 226 | 26 那是伪基督徒,或者背离主的教诲的基督徒。
Christian, or Christ follower.是跟着
他的教悔,爱主,爱人,走的。你说的那些明显
违背爱人的基本原则。基督徒互相应该以爱的方式
提醒对方注意。你不是基督徒,可以直接说你错了。 |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 27 我可以预见几百年后,你们这一辈人也会被认为是伪基督徒
记着我的预言吧. |
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R*****a 发帖数: 282 | 29 好吧,那你说这版上应该不应该高举你所说的BBQ别人的伪基督徒的预订论理论来给基
督徒内部划分异端与否呢? |
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n**a 发帖数: 36 | 31 对待恶人还要爱!!!恶人一定会灭亡的!!!
1 : 6 因为耶和华看顾义人的道路,恶人的道路却必灭亡。 |
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n**a 发帖数: 36 | 32 你们不信神,你们不悔改,你们会下地狱!!!!!!!! |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 34 没关系,反正我们家人都不信,他们都要下地狱,我怎么能独自上天堂呢.
做人要有人的良心,不要太** |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 37 神的爱就是要让你下地狱,这是人的理智无法理解的"爱",但你必须得信这是爱. |
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w*****e 发帖数: 226 | 38 不该,但是就是伪基督徒,主也是像爱着基督徒一样的爱他们,没有区别。
基督徒伪基督徒都没有完美的,这也是我们需要主的原因。
个人来讲,我很反感举着BBQ的旗号来劝人入教的行为,完全不和主的教诲
想符。但是基督教也不是一时的快感,需要遵行的,受难的,fear the God.
另外你听过没有,obedience is better than sacrifice.
遵行主的话,他不需要你去牺牲。还是那句话,地狱不是用来吓唬人的,是用来感恩主的
大能的。我不是说了么,下次再有人这么吓唬你,你直接跟他对峙,问他对人的
爱在哪里。 |
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R*****a 发帖数: 282 | 39 这个版上问那些拿地狱和动则就说某某这样做就会下地狱的ID的人不少啊,但是问了也
没用,因为这个版面就是提倡这些。经常看他们讨论加尔文,然后讨论到最后就是BBQ
,你想BBQ我,我也不服就拿别的佛教什么的地狱来BBQ你。满版BBQ
主的 |
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w*****e 发帖数: 226 | 42 我到现在没有看到一个真的基督徒说BBQ.
non-believer的添乱的,自己说了倒不下百十遍。
很没劲,我不喜欢和自己拿自己开涮的人多聊。
BBQ |
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c*********k 发帖数: 4747 | 43 当然了,基督徒好的事只说不做,坏的事只做不说,比如说建个宗教裁判所烧人,成立成基
督信仰版关人小黑屋. |
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R*****a 发帖数: 282 | 44 http://www.yue365.com/play/737/35518.shtml
那一场大雨
我站在风里
不在想对谁说起忘了
你忘了哭泣
那一个夜里
那一段过去
你的离去眼泪的绝缇
撕随的回忆
亲爱的再给我一次机会别离开我
亲爱的再给我一次机会原谅我
我不知该说些什么
也不知该怎么做
我知道你现在的心也好难过
亲爱的再给我一次机会别离开我
亲爱的再给我一次机会原谅我
我只想抱着对你说
这全都是我的错
只要你回头我做什么都值得
oh~~~~~~
nite, great sinner |
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 45 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest.iii.iii.html
Chapter IV
The Sovereignty of God
Every thinking person readily sees that some sovereignty rules his life. He
was not asked whether or not he would have existence; nor when, where, or
what he would be born; whether in the twentieth century or before the flood;
whether white or Negro; whether in America or in China. It has been
recognized by Christians in all ages that God is the Creator and Ruler of
the universe, and that as the Creator and ... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********s 发帖数: 85 | 46 "说了好多次了,无论是新约还是旧约,里面的律法不是叫基督徒守的"
@qilikacha105
Don't expect you to read this closely enough to understand: it's all about
the goal. What is the the ultimate goal of christians? Does following rules
contribute in anyway to achieving that goal?
@betatwo, loumeng and probably others
If any christian (by definition flawed, imperfect, sinners, just like you
and me and everyone else in the world) 教育/管别人, we've made an improper
impression. What we mean to do is point you to the operating manual. In
oth... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r 发帖数: 6791 | 47 Romans 3: 1-8 God’s Faithfulness
1What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in
circumcision? 2Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted
with the very words of God.
3What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s
faithfulness? 4Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is
written:
“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”a
5But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousnes... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r 发帖数: 6791 | 48 Romans 3: 1-8 God’s Faithfulness
1What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in
circumcision? 2Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted
with the very words of God.
3What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s
faithfulness? 4Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is
written:
“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”a
5But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousnes... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r 发帖数: 31 | 49 Agree.
基督徒,including myself, 有时是有self-righteousness的倾向。God 也知道,所以
在 prodigal son 的故事中,both sons were sinners. |
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s*****t 发帖数: 514 | 50 转载
请大家热心帮忙一下, 帮他找到答案
发信人: liufanghe (garfield), 信区: BibleStudy
标 题: Re: 好难呀,基督信仰版的那几个ID根本就是要吵架
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 17 21:06:05 2010, 美东)
上周我们的查经是马可2:13-17
讲主耶稣在税官利末家的宴会,与罪人的宴会。
思想题目之一
6. What is the difference between offering the gospel to sinners and being
tolerant of their sin?
说实话,大家没有找到答案,但是却也让我不能放弃,我不希望那样一个版面变成非基
们胡闹的地方。 |
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