w****j
发帖数: 5581 | 1 南北战争当然不是和黑奴无关，但肯定也不是只和解放黑奴有关。本质上还是南北的政
治经济差距和州权。现在有不少学者都认为，战争的直接催化剂确实和黑人公民权有关
，即斯科特案。“最高大法官坦尼的理由是：美国原本是由各州组成的联合体，在联邦
诞生前，只有州公民一说。宪法通过后，美国成为了一个联邦国家，州公民才自动上升
为美国公民。然而在美国宪法诞生时，黑人连州公民都不是，自然就不是美国公民了。
这个在法理上能说通的判决，却缺乏对现实政治的周密权衡和对历史的高瞻远瞩，它将
南北双方的矛盾迅速激化。”反奴者认为这是历史的倒退，合着黑人现在连公民都不是
了。而南方各州也忍不下去了，咱们道不同不相与谋，要用州权谋求独立，和北方分道
扬镳。
林肯正式就任总统时，美国已陷入分裂的倾向之中。联邦不能统一是林肯无法接受的。
这场内战之所以爆发，首要因素就是因为南方州要分离出去，而作为合众国总统的林肯
必须站在绝对维护联邦统一的立场上，并不惜一战。林肯的立场在Letter to Horace
Greeley里面就很明确了：
I would save the Union. I would save it the ... 阅读全帖 |
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a****g
发帖数: 211 | 2 我给个藐视“人权高于主权”的例子。
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that
股后面鼓吹普 |
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c*****1
发帖数: 3240 | 3 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
genghishan (大汉) 于 (Mon Feb 15 17:41:19 2010, 美东) 提到:
欧洲=古希腊，文明古国，内部基本同宗的城邦（英法德等日耳曼人后裔建立的国家）
争斗不休。
美国=古罗马，发迹于西部（罗马之于希腊，美国之于欧洲）落后的文明的角落，凭借
超群的军事能力，吃苦耐劳的百姓，坚韧不拔的公民兵以及优越的自然地理环境后来居
上，先征服当地部落（印第安人）和驱除外部凯尔特人，希腊人，迦太基人势力（美国
击败英国殖民，驱逐北美大陆上，西班牙，法国，荷兰等国家的势力）统一意大利半岛
。在二次大战里面彻底击败纳粹德国，取代大英帝国成为世界霸主（罗马击败皮尔斯王，彻底征服意大利南部希腊人移民城市;罗马在Battle of Pydna里面，决定性的击垮马其顿王和证明罗马中队战阵对希腊重步兵方阵的优势，彻底征服希腊本土）。
罗马现在像第二次布诺战争结束（前苏联=迦太基）后，基本成为世界独大，但是带来的后果就是中产阶级在廉价的奴隶劳动力（made in China, Mexican il... 阅读全帖 |
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w********s
发帖数: 343 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: windywings (jellyfish), 信区: Military
标 题: USA's Constitution 允许 Slavery
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 3 14:12:45 2012, 美东)
http://www.heritagecs.com/Jefferson_Davis.htm
Jefferson Davis (1808-1889) was an American statesman and the leader of
the
Confederacy during the Civil War. A former US Senator, he served as
President of the Confederate States of America for the duration of its
history. During his presidency, Davis took charge of Confederate war
plans
but was unabl... 阅读全帖 |
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a****g
发帖数: 211 | 5 那么他在1862年说
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not
either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without
freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the
slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving
others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored
race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear,
I forbear because I do not believe it would h... 阅读全帖 |
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M****7
发帖数: 2334 | 6 "希腊人哪怕是奴隶，在罗马贵族家庭里面也很多是老师，管家，会计，智囊这样的脑
力工作者备受尊重"
Do you really believe this? Even slaves from Greece were well educated. Who
provided the education? Perhaps, all Greek people, even the slaves, were
born Ph.D. or Ph.D./M.D.and they got their knowledge before they were born. |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 7 那些希腊人被从希腊抓起来卖掉之前不一定是奴隶呀，就像有人把你给抓了，卖到非洲
去当数学老师，有人是不是还要大惊小怪，怎么中国奴隶的数学都这么厉害？难道中国
人连奴隶都要接受高等教育？
Marcus Antonius Pallas (c. 1–63) was a prominent Greek freedman and
secretary during the reigns of the Roman Emperors Claudius and Nero. His
younger brother was Marcus Antonius Felix, a procurator of Iudaea Province.
According to Tacitus, Pallas and Felix descended from the Greek Kings of
Arcadia.
Pallas was originally a slave of Antonia Minor, a daughter of Mark Antony
and niece of Emperor Augustus. Pall... 阅读全帖 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 8 If you know there are roughly 2.5 slaves for each Greek male citizen, you
will understand why. They don't need to do daily chore or work in the field
because that's slaves' job, that's why they are either well educated or
excellent soldiers, or sometimes both.
And as matter of fact, some Greek cities are nothing close to tiny, for
example, the city of Athens at its peak has population over 300 thousands.
If judging by population, there are only about 13.5 million Jews worldwide,
about 1 thousand... 阅读全帖 |
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M****7
发帖数: 2334 | 9 "希腊人哪怕是奴隶，在罗马贵族家庭里面也很多是老师，管家，会计，智囊这样的脑
力工作者备受尊重"
Do you really believe this? Even slaves from Greece were well educated. Who
provided the education? Perhaps, all Greek people, even the slaves, were
born Ph.D. or Ph.D./M.D.and they got their knowledge before they were born. |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 10 那些希腊人被从希腊抓起来卖掉之前不一定是奴隶呀，就像有人把你给抓了，卖到非洲
去当数学老师，有人是不是还要大惊小怪，怎么中国奴隶的数学都这么厉害？难道中国
人连奴隶都要接受高等教育？
Marcus Antonius Pallas (c. 1–63) was a prominent Greek freedman and
secretary during the reigns of the Roman Emperors Claudius and Nero. His
younger brother was Marcus Antonius Felix, a procurator of Iudaea Province.
According to Tacitus, Pallas and Felix descended from the Greek Kings of
Arcadia.
Pallas was originally a slave of Antonia Minor, a daughter of Mark Antony
and niece of Emperor Augustus. Pall... 阅读全帖 |
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 11 If you know there are roughly 2.5 slaves for each Greek male citizen, you
will understand why. They don't need to do daily chore or work in the field
because that's slaves' job, that's why they are either well educated or
excellent soldiers, or sometimes both.
And as matter of fact, some Greek cities are nothing close to tiny, for
example, the city of Athens at its peak has population over 300 thousands.
If judging by population, there are only about 13.5 million Jews worldwide,
about 1 thousand... 阅读全帖 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 12 Wah. It is really a lady.
Then she need tell her kid, if you become a slave, just be a slave,
don't do or say anything. |
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y*******o
发帖数: 6632 | 14 let us look at the colonies all over the world
1. south Africa and north Africa, how about there now? 1 Billion slaves.
poor land because the white master only wants the resource, not the
development. No democracy and republic, because the only thing white masters
bring are guns and killing. They take out the resources and make the land
more messy so that they can rule the land infinitely.
2. south America and north America, how about there, yes, they are much more
developed, based on the fact t... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 4702 | 15 The slaves are freed, so does the slave owners. |
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d********t
发帖数: 9628 | 16
Being slaves of some Chinese is no better than be slaves of Japanese. |
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m*******t
发帖数: 1060 | 17 去华盛顿的林肯纪念馆看看再说吧. 林肯说的很明白,他所做的一切都是为了"save the
Union".
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862... 阅读全帖 |
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 18 是你明白还是林肯自己明白啊。人家都说得这么清楚明白了，你居然说林肯都不明白了
，呵呵：
华盛顿的林肯纪念馆看看再说吧. 林肯说的很明白,他所做的一切都是为了"save the
Union".
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union."... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 19 不得不承认，你这种垃圾货色，脸皮实在厚得很。
放屁“如果没有废奴运动, 林肯的打仗就毫无正义性可言”的是不是你？
结果被人一巴掌搓在你这sb的脸上
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Gre... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 20 不得不承认，你这种垃圾货色，脸皮实在厚得很。
放屁“如果没有废奴运动, 林肯的打仗就毫无正义性可言”的是不是你？
结果被人一巴掌搓在你这sb的脸上
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Gre... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 21 不得不承认，你这种垃圾货色，脸皮实在厚得很。
放屁“如果没有废奴运动, 林肯的打仗就毫无正义性可言”的是不是你？
结果被人一巴掌搓在你这sb的脸上
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Gre... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 22 不得不承认，你这种垃圾货色，脸皮实在厚得很。
放屁“如果没有废奴运动, 林肯的打仗就毫无正义性可言”的是不是你？
结果被人一巴掌搓在你这sb的脸上
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Gre... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******r
发帖数: 223 | 23 不得不承认，你这种垃圾货色，脸皮实在厚得很。
放屁“如果没有废奴运动, 林肯的打仗就毫无正义性可言”的是不是你？
结果被人一巴掌搓在你这sb的脸上
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I
could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save
it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save
the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would
help to save the Union." (Letter to Horace Gre... 阅读全帖 |
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d******8
发帖数: 1795 | 24 这么多回帖，这个让我笑了，够油墨，呵呵。
But I am serious. I am not against China,
I am against this communist party. Just look
how arrogant they have become, as if they
can do whatever they want in China. They
can make you rich if you cooperate with them,
and they can deprive everything from you
if you do not get along with them.
I cannot count on the Chinese people to
overturn this regime, because the Chinese
people are used to dictatorship and slavery
kind of life style. When I say slavery,
I am not talking abou... 阅读全帖 |
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i****k
发帖数: 4085 | 25 生在中国，长在中国，你对中国的社会现实失望到何种程度呢，对中国的社会黑暗有何
深深的体会呢。
当今的中国，到底是一种什么样的社会？官员都腐败吗？所有中国人都是腐败的吗？中
国人普遍缺乏同情心吗？现在的中国人都很自私吗？中国还有公平和正义吗？
欢迎大家结合自己所处的环境，所经历的事实，多多讨论，让我们更加准确的认识我们
所处的这个社会，也为我们自己更准确的进行社会定位。
生在中国，长在中国，你对中国的社会现实失望到何种程度呢，对中国的社会黑暗有何
深深的体会呢。
当今的中国，到底是一种什么样的社会？官员都腐败吗？所有中国人都是腐败的
吗？中国人普遍缺乏同情心吗？现在的中国人都很自私吗？中国还有公平和正义吗？
欢迎大家结合自己所处的环境，所经历的事实，多多讨论，让我们更加准确的认
识我们所处的这个社会，也为我们自己更准确的进行社会定位。
生在中国，长在中国，你对中国的社会现实失望到何种程度呢，对中国的社会黑
暗有何深深的体会呢。
当今的中国，到底是一种什么样的社会？官员都腐败吗？所有中国人都是腐败的
吗？中国人普遍缺乏同情心吗？现在的中国人都很自私吗？中国还有公平和正义吗？
欢迎大家结合自... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****l
发帖数: 363 | 26 事件的起因：有人在youtube上发了一个视频，结果引起各地人民（多数为米国）大量
围观，点击量顷刻之间上百万之多。当然评论永远要比原视频有意思。
从各地 2000 多评论里挑了 130 条出来，选的标准基本是排除了重复的，纯表赞叹或
纯开骂无多少内容的、跑题跑太远的，还有那些虽然 ID 显示国外但看主页似乎咱自家
留学生或华裔的评论因为时间所限也没翻。被标注推荐比较多的基本都入选了。红色部
分是译文。有出错的地方请大家一定不吝指点 (*^__^*)~ ！
以下是视频和部分评论:
Ark Hotel Construction time lapse building 15 storeys in 2 days！！！
youtube源地址： http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0DSihggio&feature=player_embedded （需Fan墙）
评论：
wazham2 17 小时之前
everything is possible in Japan
在日本真是一切皆有可能 ~
allin1readerwriter 17... 阅读全帖 |
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U*E
发帖数: 3620 | 27 Definition of SLAVER
1
a : a ship used in the slave trade b : a person engaged in the slave trade |
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h***l
发帖数: 3048 | 28 slave holder 跟 slave owner 都是对的。有点微小区别。
就是这个hold更倾向于动词，而owner更倾向于表示一种状态。 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 29 (1) To those who do not know a thing, The posting refers to
杭州图书馆对乞丐拾荒者免费开放 引一些读者不满http://mitbbs.com/article/Military/35073075_3.html
, which in turn copied without attribution or authorization from the Jan 19,
2011 issue of 青年时报 in Zhejiang.
(2) I never imagine that this is debatable. Not in US or Taiwan, anyway.
(a) How can you tell a person is a beggar in the first place?
(b) In US, there is a federal constitution.
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.or... 阅读全帖 |
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 30 I am not as brave as Liu Xiaobo to go back to China and fight with life for
the
wellness of Chinese people and China. But I am much more brave than a lot of
people
here who still behave like sucking slaves even thought their slave masters
are far
away, and I can at least voice my support to the suffering Chinese people
instead
of those suckers who suck blood from victims in China.
As to what I will eventually do to China and Chinese people, that's my
private
business. |
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G******t
发帖数: 1782 | 31 貌似如此，是1800’到那里帮工的A3后代。
Hindoestanen form the largest major group at 37% of the population. They are
descendants of 19th-century contract workers from India. They are from the
Indian states of Bihar and Eastern Uttar Pradesh, in Northern India, along
the Nepali border.
The Surinamese Creoles form the middle group 31% of the population. They are
the mixed descendants of West African slaves and Europeans (mostly Dutch).
The Javanese (descendants of contract workers from the former Dutch East
Indies... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 32
That's basically a load of BullCrap. The first priority of mainstream
population in any normal society is always going to be obtaining better life
for themselves. Claiming Chinese intellectuals wants good life is evidence
of their "slave mentality" simply shows yourself to be slaves to some
particular kind of propaganda. |
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t****z
发帖数: 8931 | 33 The Nation: Florida's Infamous Other Fruit
by Jon Wiener
Enlarge
Wim Lanclus/iStockphoto.com
South Florida grows most of the tomatoes used in food service and sold in
grocery stores.
Wim Lanclus/iStockphoto.com South Florida grows most of the tomatoes used in
food service and sold in grocery stores.
text size A A A July 27, 2011 Jon Wiener is a contributing editor for The
Nation.
The tomato is in trouble. The tomatoes in Big Macs and Taco Bell tacos and
in supermarkets, especially in the winter,... 阅读全帖 |
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f******d
发帖数: 6361 | 34 这个当然是14亿中国人千古以来的愿望，但MD不在今天的问卷之中。 |
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g*********o
发帖数: 4653 | 35 别忘了，日本是MD的二奶。
做二奶的奴隶，还不如做直接作大爷的奴隶。
别侮辱了那些有奶就是娘的人的智商。
个人利益这个算盘，他们打得比谁都清楚。 |
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 37 中途岛和斯大林格勒之后轴心的命运就基本定了。第二战场开辟和莱特湾海战后轴心就
只剩下无条件投降一条路了。原子弹无非是把人放倒又照裆里来了两脚，彻底打服了。 |
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f******d
发帖数: 6361 | 38 所以说，本质上，没有MD，就没有后来所谓的“新中国”，原子蛋只是一种象征的比喻 |
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f***a
发帖数: 7286 | 39 最主要的原因在于工业实力和战争潜力
查下美国苏联当时的工业实力
对比下当时日本德国的
战争一旦走入消耗战
德国日本不是对手
我记得日本当时钢产量只有美国的十分之一
美国全负荷造航母短短几年可以造几十上百
日本整个二战也就造了10多艘 |
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f******d
发帖数: 6361 | 42 不错，但苏联的作用是次要的，美国扔完原子弹后，国共基本可以收复失地了 |
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f***a
发帖数: 7286 | 44 所以你的逻辑错了
日本战败不是因为最后那个原子弹
而是确实打不过美国+苏联+国民党+共产党 |
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f******d
发帖数: 6361 | 46 忘了，只伊稀记得教科书大概是这样写的：美国扔原子弹，紧跟着苏联出兵，然后日本
投降，原子但的作用虽然是象征的，但效果是决定性的 |
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f******d
发帖数: 6361 | 48 二战国共的contribution是微不足道的，在美国看本科的二战历史教科书，根本不提毛
泽东，蒋中正。 |
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f***a
发帖数: 7286 | 49 美国课本没有提==微不足道？
这是什么逻辑？
日本课本还说没有南京大屠杀得
国共无论怎样也是有一定贡献的
日本在中国战死的军队基本都是国共干掉的 |
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