g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 1 Thanks all for explaining. Looks like all have the same opinion:
1S now is 12 - 18-, 2S is 18+.
In this sense, you all take 2S as reverse.
According to Max Hardy's book, jump reverse show splinter. So If I have
heart support, singleton spade, and good point, I need to jump to 3S to
show this (as Jump Reverse)? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 if you play 1NT as forcing or semiforcing, it's usually not a good
idea to introduce your 4 card spade suit with about 16-bad 18 HCP,
because partner usually denies spade suit. so you should normally rebid
2C or 2D here. Thus, we have a free bid: 2S. This 2S can be treated as
GF and starts a relay sequence.
1H-1N-2S:
2NT:relay.
3C/D: natural.
3H: 6 card hearts, about 19 HCP, ask partner to place the final contract.
3S: 5-6 in majors.
2NT: 4-5 in majors.
4C/D/H: self splinter in C/D/S, |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 3 I think there's some merit to treat 4D as splinter in such sequence,
especially if the response is constructive, i.e, promises 2 of the 3 top
honors.
The idea is that there's a good chance that 2C opener has a long solid suit,
so the responder should often treat opener's rebid of suit as that. On the
other hand, strong 4-4-4-1 (or 5-4-3-1) hands are always the hardest to treat.
So after the constructive response, and opener's suit bid, generally
responder's any rebid should be cuebid, assuming o |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 4 The point is that everybody would find 7 NT no mater what he opened.
Also, when the solid suit is major, you usually have more gadgets, because
you may bid 4D over partner's 1NT as splinter to show this kind
of hands. Still, I'd bid 4D with AKQJxxx HQxx Dx CAx. you need partner
to provide three cover cards, something like this: Sx HAKxx Dxxx CKxxxx.
If you open 1S, you still may get passed out if partner holds S- Hxxxxx DJxxxx
CKxx. nobody would save you, because both opponents may hold 3 spades |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 5 After a long investigation, I decide to play the following structure:
1D 2C: game forcing.
1D 2D: game forcing.
1D 2H: 5S, 4H, 5-9.
1D 2S: limit raise in D.
1D 2N: invitational.
1D 3C: invitational.
1D 3D: preemptive.
over 1D 2C:
2D: shows 5 diamonds.
2H: 4-4-4-1, doesn't garantee extra.
2S: good raise to 3C, extra.
2NT: 12-14, balanced.
3C: minimum raise.
3D: set up trump suit.
3H/S: splinter.
3N: 18-19, balanced. |
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 6
splinter, to show void in clubs? |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 7
1. Old-fashion splinter is to jump two levels, which in this case
is to bid 6c, to show the singleton or void.
2. To me there are lots of other ways for the "opener" to bid in
this case. If the 3S respond vitually guarantee at least game,
then there's no need to jump to 5 level. |
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c********n
发帖数: 17 | 8 Ask the partner of the 5c bidder if you play East/West. i think either old
fashion splinter or key card asking should be alertable and written on their
convention card.
If it is a casual game or you are the partner of the 5c bidder (without
previously agreed convention, unfortunately :), take it as key card (excluding
CA) asking is a safe bet and answer it with KC convention you had with your
partner. If you 2 don't even have a key card asking convention, bid 6S (or 7S,
surprisingly you have 2 A |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 no, for 4 card support, 2C still saves a lot of bidding spaces. 2NT is
no good. 2NT should be reserved for invitational hands in D/H or S.
3C: invitational in C.
3D: fit showing jump in either C/D/H.
3H: splinter with 12-15 HCP.
3S: constructive.
3NT: whatever you like.
4C: whatever you like.
4D: good raise to 4S. |
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g********d
发帖数: 89 | 10 with AQxx Qxxx xxxxx -
bidding:
1d(P)-1h(me)-3s-4c-4nt-??
5d(1A) or 5s(2A with Q)
related question: 3s should be splinter?
should i bid 4c?
P's hand x KJxx AKQxx Axx
should he understand my 4c as void?
Also, why sometimes people cue-bid with KQxx or x(singleton)
last: what should be the reasonable sequence for about hand? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 opener can rebid 4S over 3D as splinter. over 3D rebid, one should be able
to show this feature. 3S isn't as descriptive as 4S. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 it's a splinter in standard treatment. The reason why 4S is enough is that,
when opener bids 3D, he not only implies that he had value in diamonds and
4 card support in clubs, it also shows some doubt in 3NT. Thus, he can't have
a lot of wasted value in spade. A typical hand is:
SJxx HKx DAKQx CKxxx
change his hand to:
SQJTx HKx DAK CKxxx
the right bid would be 3NT over 3C, because he has both spade and
diamonds well stopped.
However, sometimes, his hand isn't that slamish:
SQxxx HKx DAKx CKxxx |
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 14
provided they two play week jump.
it is unlikely for him to have
1. both a side A and a side K (side=H/C here), in order to justify
the 1N(failing to bid 2D).
2. a shortness in side suits(H/C):
he didn't splinter,
opps remained silence(with 10+ to 11+ cards)
therefore there could easily be 2 quick losers in H/C.
i don't see a slam there. |
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S*****n
发帖数: 227 | 15 Splinter? I will try 5D. |
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f*o
发帖数: 168 | 16 it actually was club suit
I bid 5h anyway, doubled and went down a lot
I think 4c very confusing, I can understand 2c, 3c and 5c
why 4c could not be splinter? |
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m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 17 agree. i thought the 4c is natural, but might be splinter, so, i bid 5c. |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 18 it is hardly possible to be a splinter...
enemy bid two suites but partner single/void in the third one...
and my called suite is another...
where are those 13 cards? :) |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 19 If you really want to bid, you can bid 5C to allow partner to pass I think.
In an unfamiliar situation, you should give your partner more chance
to stay low. Also, if 4C is splinter, I don't think you have to bid
here because you have pretty much told your story and you do have club
wastage which does no good to you 5H. |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 20 I feel this 3S bid is kinda non-standard tho.
North has KQxx. If he has A, that's perfect.
how about 5C splinter? |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 21 what's the point range for this kind of splinter (openner's rebid)? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 22 splinter usually shows a singleton in that suit and about 17-18 HCP with
pretty good controls, if it's a void, the HCP can be slightly lower. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 23 splinter is a limit bid, that means if you can see a slam because of your
trump suit and side values, you should make a move, no matter how weak
your hand may look like. |
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z****k
发帖数: 1057 | 26 不一定要双跳
是一切非（以显示实力为）必要的跳叫 |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 28 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
pixixi (乾坤一掷--金钩变银钩) 于 (Tue Mar 20 01:54:17 2007) 提到:
please...
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boreas ( 北风之神～在人生的N叉路口) 于 (Tue Mar 20 02:04:55 2007) 提到:
http://www.slospin.net/Duplicate%20Bridge/Bridge%20Conventions/bridge_splinter.htm
a way to show a singleton or void with good trump support
you do so by a double jump shift.
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zirtek (过敏) 于 (Tue Mar 20 10:46:45 2007) 提到:
不一定要双跳
是一切非（以显示实力为）必要的跳 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 29 有几种不同的处理方法。我建议你看一下美国标准黄卡(SAYC)的体系，在BBO软件的资
料部分就能找到。这是一个在北美通用的自然体系，在BBO上打牌的，如果没有特殊约
定，都应该遵循这个体系叫牌。
在SAYC体系中，1M-3M是限制性的加叫，表示邀局牌力。高花配合且有逼局实力时，有
三种手段：
1) 四张以上将牌支持，相对均型，叫2NT。这种1M-2NT是SAYC中的约定叫，称为"
Jacoby 2NT"，并不是自然无将叫品，而是表示高花至少四张支持的逼局牌，同伴不能
PASS。这是一个很重要的约定叫，因为它弥补了采用限制性加叫之后造成的缺乏逼局加
叫手段的问题。Jacoby 2NT之后的应答结构也是约定性的，不是自然手段，具体请参阅
相关资料。
2) 将牌四张以上支持，旁套有单缺，可以采用一种“爆裂叫”(Splinter)的约定叫品
。在这种约定中，双跳叫新花表示对同伴开叫花色至少四张支持，所跳叫的新花为单缺
。比方1S-4C，1H-3S，等等。
3) 先叫一门新花色逼同伴叫牌，再用进局跳叫等手段显示实力。或是从强跳应叫开始
起步。这些手段一般用于将牌支持只有三张（此时不能使用Jaco |
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v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 30 按牌理，扣叫就是好牌，没支持就是逼局以上，有支持可以稍差。
进一步，没支持的一般就是均型无挡，除了点多没啥特征的牌；有支持的一般也是多半
基于点力;依靠牌型的邀请有其它方式表达，对于高花可以有Splinter/Fit Showing，
低花手段稍少，但此处也还可以用3H表示基于一套的问挡邀请。
总的来说，扣叫就是要求同伴进一步陈述持牌特征，这里H好挡张，D非常差，牌力高限
，就用3NT描述。同伴如果牌更好可以拉出来。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 31 常用约定叫还有Jacoby 2NT，splinter，RKC。。。
另外2/1有一个特殊序列需要讨论（但大多数人不去讨论），就是1D-2C是否逼局，如果
不是的话那么什么样的序列可以停，如果是的话那么梅花套的邀叫牌力如何处理。
如果是和 stranger 打两三副牌，以上都不需要讨论，你未必碰得到这些序列，碰到了
蒙一下也不要紧，顶多就是稍微叫冒或叫低了一点。但如果是要打较多副牌，比方３２
副的team game，那么即使是stranger，讨论一下还是必要的。 |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 32 没打算正儿八经地打，都已经过时间了才溜过去。主持人见我，问：打牌？我说：是的
。再问：你能保证打到4点(中途不溜号)? 回答：Yes. 于是高兴地告诉我：坐下来替我
吧。
对面的老头看着非常怡然自得的样子。每付牌打完，就拿卡出来计分，也不跟我讨论什
么的。叫牌打牌都很有分寸。
我六年不打牌了，连Splinter该跳几级都忘了。老头也不生气。我打错次序，老头只在
最后提一句：你可以多拿一墩。
我知道老头肯定有点来头。一问：他曾经是最年轻的life master, 70年代时，20几岁
拿下的。最好的排名进过全美前50。
跟老头搭档，迅速地就把打休闲牌的其他老头老太一会儿就荡平了。
给我错觉，还以为六年不打牌，也还凑合。第三天换同伴，不是冒叫，就是低了，该完
成的定约还打宕了。才明白：水平就在那里，不增只减。
同伴有两句，我不能同意，拿来征求下意见：
1. 绝不能让敌人打二阶定约。
桥牌里，我绝不同意任何“绝不能”。记得有本书还是文章就是讨论怎样抓住机会惩罚
敌人的低阶定约。其实分布好的时候，二阶定约打宕3都是很常见的。而且还没地方逃。
2. 另外有付牌，同伴开1C，敌人争叫2H, 我手里... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 33 Double is very wrong. The correct bid is pass.
Here, there are two groups. One is to bid 3H over the double as gameforcing.
For that group, 5C is an impossible bid, because you can bid 4C with strong
5-5 in S/C. 3H with gf H hands.
For the other group, 3H is nonforcing. So with very strong hands, opener has
to either bid 4H or cuebid first.
Therefore, 5C is ERKC here, because there is no hand that should first cue
3D then jump to 5C with real C. With a very strong 5-5 two suiter, 4C is
still a v... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 34 4D puts partner into the picture when there is more bidding. When bidding is
at high-level, it is very important to assess the degree of fit (in side
suits). It should not be regarded as slam try. The problem is that many
partnerships play 4D as splinter, so they have to start with 3D, which gives
opps too much room. Still, you have the boss suit, it is usually not a very
big issue.
4S is not without merit though. It blocks 4H and puts more pressure to the
opps. But be aware that it doesn't guar... 阅读全帖 |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 35 3H splinter is my choice。 |
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o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 36 3H splinter 吧
pd叫3N/5D那就停了，不然就朝6D前进喽 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 37 也许有些牌手这里用３Ｈ表示其它含义（５－５实套邀叫？），但大部分都是用作
splinter，好像没有要去临时发明什么。在实战中我就叫了３Ｈ（而且都没有专门讨论
过），同伴也没搞错啊。这个应该是比较标准的吧。
２Ｃ起步，是个不错的想法。不过后面仍然有如何定将牌，如何扣叫，如何RKC的问题
，这些是我要讨教的重点。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 38 Q1/Q2：一般１Ｄ－１Ｓ；２Ｄ－２Ｈ逼叫一轮，显示至少邀叫实力。
Q3：开叫人２３６２低限，一般叫回２Ｓ，而不是３Ｄ。是可能错过２Ｈ定约，所以有
些人打１Ｄ－２Ｈ表示５－４或５－５的高花，６－１０点。
Q4：如果３Ｈ为splinter，就像这副牌，那么第一个问题是，４Ｈ是不是RKC？假定只
是红心扣叫，那么可以直接６Ｄ，最多就是一飞的满贯，何况同伴可能有ＳＱ。 |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 39 这副牌1D-1S; 2D-3H 引起误会的机会不是很大, 但是, 象我前面问的, 如果是双高花
的牌, 就很容易误会了. 现在可以说"我们没有特别约这个3H", 但是, 换了牌, 你就得
特别约好3H 不是 splinter 了.
为了平衡, 我去支持少数派.
1D-2C的好处,
1, 先逼局了, 以后慢慢加叫, 哪怕是加叫个3D 都可以.
2, 能立刻知道开叫人是不是5+ 的D. 1D-1S; 1NT (可能5张D)
3, 不耽误寻求高花配合.
4, 毕竟C 套点力控制很强.
2C的坏处, 哪位来补充?
1，
2，
3，
ps: 我也支持 1D-1S; 2D-3C |
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o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 40 这个3H和叫不叫2C没啥关系
你给的牌例总是叫2H逼叫的，不需要跳3H，2H后再叫3H，肯定是5-5的进局牌力
所以我认为直接跳3H处理成splinter很合理 |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 41
2H 是逼叫, 我同意, 但是还是有可能错过2H 部分定约. 打个 6-1 的3D.
并且, 2H再叫3H, 按逼局处理, 可以, 但是如果只是邀请实力呢?
我没否认3H splinter 的大众接受率, 只是想挑起讨论. |
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o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 42 实战，bucky说了他pd理解了3H作为splinter，本来应该没啥故事
不过看来是4H到底是RKC还是扣叫出了问题 :-)
1D-1S
2D-3C
这个牌应该是5张黑心4张草花的牌，已经偏离手上的牌了
我同意arrows的2C起步，这样pd叫2S(只是非低限开叫，不是逆叫)的话，没啥好说了，
朝高花贯去了
如果叫2D的话，可能是牌里不足叫2s，所以可以先叫个2s，没配合的话就下次加叫方块
喽 |
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g******r
发帖数: 139 | 43 3H一定是Splinter吗？我也可以理解为进局逼叫，因为2H不逼叫（3C肯定逼叫）。
如果你持S AKJxx, H AQTxx, Dx, Cxx，怎么叫？或者没有那么好，S AQxxx, H ATxxx,
Dx, Cxx,又怎么叫？ |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 44 这些原则啦, principle啦, 原则上都没啥问题.
但是这副牌,特事特办, 因为应叫人已经知道有D 配合了, 不怕pd 以后叫到6C.
2C最快建立逼局,询问开叫人D 张数, 自己边花控制好, 以后是叫牌队长,
所以, 不用担心2C 歪曲了形状, 也不用担心pd 去叫7S.
相比之下, 3H splinter 就是交出队长权,
所以2C 起步的话, 这些问题就都免了.
我这么问问吧, 这个牌, 是愿意当队长还是愿意让pd 来主导?
It
shape
slam |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 45 1D 1S
2D 3H(splinter)
3S(cue, SA or SK) 4C(cue, extra)
4H(cue, odd number of KC(I use some odd/even showing scheme here, 4D shows
even, bypass 4D shows odd) 4S(cue SK)
5D(nothing else, also denies DQ(4NT shows DQ)) 6C(CK, DQ is not a problem)
7D(the shape is right, partner offers two H ruffs, so 13 tricks should be a
good bet)
If I use kickback, it needs some guess work.
1D 1S
2D 3H
3S(cue SA) 4H(RKC)
4N(3 KC) 5S(we have all KC, DQ, and I also have SK)
7D(not a wild gamble , you only need partne... 阅读全帖 |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 46 假定3H splinter 无歧义,
PD ME
－ －
1D 1S
2D 3H
3S 4C
4H 是不是好点? 至于这个4H 是 kickback 还是扣A, 我就不敢肯定了. |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 47 但是这牌的边花控制实在是太好, 将来打D 将牌, 把CK 和 SK 都显示出来有难度,
4144 的牌型也是讲不清楚的一笔糊涂账, 我倾向于自己来.
如果牌力再软一些(去掉AK, 掺些QJ), 我倒是愿意3H splinter 扔给pd 决断. |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 48 鸡同鸭讲。没人问3H在他们的体系里是啥意思
而是问没有特别约定时，这个叫品大概应该怎么理解。
不能正视这个简单的问题么？
你们坚持说是splinter，我认为不是。我也不认为任何有品位的牌手会说是。
play
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 49 “限制性"的意思只是说，同伴有废点的话我大概满足于成局，同伴没有废点的话满贯
希望很大。
低花上的splinter，满贯倾向一般更强烈些。毕竟，你都准备好打５阶定约了，离满贯
是不是更近了？如果边花控制不好，你将牌就要极好，否则你的点力长哪里？你可以试
着构造一下，那种红心缺门并且满手QJ的牌，还要逼局／探贯，几乎是不可能的。 |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 50 我说的是控制差了些, 但也不是满手全是 QJ.
KQxxx
void
KQxx
KQxx
这牌我就不当队长,
有缺门, 我不能用 rkc,
没约好是不是用 erkc, 我也不用了
如果约好了 3H splinter, 这牌就很合适.
"限制性" 也包括对单还是缺的限制. |
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