d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 1 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - SBR选择 I want to leave the option of suppressor open.
I never had a DI AR-15. How dirty can the inside be, especially in SBR? |
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T*****r
发帖数: 225 | 2 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - SBR选择
Unfortunately I don't have gas piston AR, so I can't really compare. After
500 rounds, took me about an hour to clean it, the longest part was to scrap
off the hardened gunk on the bolt.
What I read is suppressor on a SBR makes it even dirtier. |
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 3 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - SBR选择 suppressor on a SBR is indeed dirtier.
After
scrap |
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l***1
发帖数: 1500 | 5 我有一支integrate suppressor的Ruger 22，压弹难，常卡壳，香肠弹匣报废了两，下
次拿给你看。 |
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 6 The United States is the center of gravity for all things tactical. The U.S
market represents 90% of the world market and because of this the world's
premier weapons manufacturers have set up shop here in continental United
States to sell their wears to the military, law enforcement agencies and
private citizens.
However, after world events such as 911 there has been a huge demand for
weapons in the U.S. This placed massive strain on quality control systems of
weapons companies as demand overtoo... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 7 是不是因为不是木托？LOL
左边的AK基本是Arsenal的样子，枪口上了个假suppressor，前准星后面挂了一个bipod
，还有一个不成比例的大枪瞄，除此之外没什么特别的吧。
SVD没亲眼见过，不过一直想找一个。
也就 |
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h*********2
发帖数: 2508 | 8 And you don't need to shoot with suppressor, just put on safty, hehe |
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 9 这个机滤suppressor也不错啊，就是个头大点。 |
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h*********2
发帖数: 2508 | 10 And you don't need to shoot with suppressor, just put on safty, hehe |
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 11 这个机滤suppressor也不错啊，就是个头大点。 |
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f**s
发帖数: 2225 | 12 那是其它的class 3,比如sbr, suppressor一类的
全自动不一样
200 |
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 13 depends on what you want.
if you want to carry,you may go with p229, however, p229 is not that small.
I also read P229 is not as accurate as p226. P226 is also a bit thinner than
p229 only a little longer. So I would still choose something has no
beavertail of a p226, which is smaller than p229.
then you need to select the frame material. the slides are all made from
stainless, but frame can be made from alloy or polymer, or stainless.
stainless is heaviest, but most durable, so it would be a go... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 14 还好吧，我的AK在装复进簧suppressor之前，每枪都跟敲钟一样 |
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c*****c
发帖数: 564 | 15 Shooting range暂时还没安排，先跟几个老美同事一段时间长长经验值吧，据他们说一
个月左右去range一次。准备下次活动带着新枪去参加，有些有经验的人带着还是比较
放心。虽说他们教的握枪方式非常好莱坞。
我在gunbroker上按你的指导价格bid的（BTW，你说的价格是本身的标价还是到手的价
格？），第一支枪，也没太挑deal，~$915 before FFL，正开始采购你的单子上其他东
西。
版上有个兄弟说的对，穷文富武，玩枪比玩相机费钱多了。一万发最便宜的子弹就是两
支枪的钱，一万张照片没准还能得个奖什么的。
Suppressor就没必要了吧，要有那么大的声音对着我就算没子弹我也会转进的。
我觉得这支枪做家防的话好处就是后座小，可以有快速的火力neutralize threat。 |
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 16 That is not a bad deal, man. I thinking Sig is trying to get away with non
stainless steel gun, with the exception of the Elite Stainless Steel, so
this model is gonna be more and more expensive and difficult to find.
I was thinking using a suppressor will hit the bad guys before they realize
what hit them to ensure better change for my family. Once decided to draw a
gun, it's not to scare the bad guys away, or you may get hurt if you do not
want to hurt them but they do not want to run in shit.... 阅读全帖 |
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 17
这类东西都会积碳，那些suppressor adapter就更是被高温弄的没法看了。
那个装置可以挡住一部分气流，强迫从上面的长条空出去，达到压枪口的作用。
90刀？BCM可以去死了，现在是怎么了，前几年BCM可是"性价比"的代名词啊。 |
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 18
这类东西都会积碳，那些suppressor adapter就更是被高温弄的没法看了。
那个装置可以挡住一部分气流，强迫从上面的长条空出去，达到压枪口的作用。
90刀？BCM可以去死了，现在是怎么了，前几年BCM可是"性价比"的代名词啊。 |
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c*****c
发帖数: 564 | 19 What is at the muzzle side, a suppressor? |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 20 It's a weighted barrel bushing. I can't see the top---if it is ported---to
determine if it is also a compensator.
suppressors are often 5-9 inches long. |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 21 anything that "muffle" your muzzle blast is considered a suppressor, which
is an NFA regulated item which requires rather simple/complicated paperwork
based on your state law.
You won't be deaf unless you put your ear next to the muzzle, then you maybe
deaf in one year. Some short term ringing maybe, mostly reversible, but
death is not reversible.
hearing conservation for military was practically non-existence until the
70s. Before you have to be an artillery man or something similar to wear one... 阅读全帖 |
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t******8
发帖数: 2803 | 22 目前看中Daniel Defense的M4V5。我知道5月份的时候曾有11xx的价格，现在彪到1500+
。不过没办法，那时候没有预算啊。嘿嘿，看来我只有听到rumer，打了鸡血以后才想
到买枪，上次的Saiga-12 ban，现在的奥巴马当选...真是冤大头的命啊。
请问Daniel Defense 16" mid-length是不是算好AR了，精度多少？
类似价位，还有其他什么AR可以看？
如果建议我折腾upper/lower/配件，也请指条明路，给几个没有OOS的链接。。
谢谢。
Daniel Defense M4 Carbine, v5 (SKU: 08047-NS).
Materials & Construction
Precision crafted from the highest quality material available today with
meticulous attention to detail, The Daniel Defense M4 Carbine will prove to
be the benchmark in the industry.... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 23 Glock 19/17 gen 4 FDE (grip finger groove removed, extractor/ejector
upgraded)
Glockmeister Gen4 grip plug
Vickers tactical slide stop
Vickers gen4 tactical mag catch
G19/17 magazine x 7 (10 total)
KKM target match barrel custom fitted
Brass stacker reserve round plate
RDS slide cut with suppressor tall sights + Trijicon RMR02
Lone wolf 3.5lb connector + NY1 trigger spring and trigger group polish
Surefire X300 ultra
Federal HSP +P 124gr (P9HST3)
差不多可以凑成一把满意的小手枪了，呵呵。 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 24 这个总结近几年没有变化，自从新的一批9妹妹JHP性能不错后，常见自卫口径
penetration都是半斤八两。剩下的permanent cavity就是拼口径大小了。
这里好像没有讲到的一点是重弹头在穿越障碍物后飞行路线改变的可能比轻弹头要小很
多。可以比一比9mm和点四五打穿前挡风玻璃POI偏差多少。
RDS使用也是趋势。特别是耐操的Mini RDS问世，也就是Trijicon那个RMR。高速往复运
动的套筒很快就可以折腾完一个red dot，工作环境比放在长枪导轨上但不用往复冲击
运动的那些还恶劣很多。以前手枪包括现在的那些race gun都是在套筒座上打洞安装架
子再装RDS，这样RDS不随套筒动不容易坏，但一套东西体积非常大。slide mount RMR
可以说是手枪RDS开始流行的转折点。
单独只用RDS对一些人开始可能不习惯，现在的用法是使用suppressor sights来co-
witness，对开始不习惯使用红点的很有帮助，也能作为一个万一RDS坏了后的后备。俺
预计手枪红点在成本逐步下降后会越来越普及，会和现在长枪红点差不多。大家可以开
始考虑折腾了，本银就在开... 阅读全帖 |
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w*****o
发帖数: 1806 | 25 顶。sig 556 sbr suppressor, classic handrail. |
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o****n
发帖数: 1520 | 26 http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=95422
Here is a quick run down of what's been done to the gun:
Lone Wolf bare slide, compensated style w/ Slide Melt (recess machined for
red dot sight)
Zev Technologies "Dragonfly Cut" signature slide machining.
Slide was Cerakoted "Armor Black" by Bollingers Gunsmithing (Thanks Bob and
Brandi, and the shop Mexican!!!)
Lone Wolf Glock 35 compensated barrel
WMD Guns Nickel Boron Coating
Burris Fastfire III 8 moa red dot
Ameriglo Suppressor sights (for c... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 27 直接买Smith Wesson新出的M&P CORE可以直接装六种不同牌子的红点。
其它枪要送出去套筒挖坑装Trijicon RMR和cowitness suppressor sights 需要多花
250刀左右吧。ATEI, Bowie tactical, one source tactical 等都干这活。
一些红点不需要关掉，也就是一直开着，电池寿命有些有两年，有些号称四年，你保守
的一年换一次电池就不用担心了。
装了红点仍然可以CCW, 难度稍微大些。AIWB比strong side IWB /OWB 更容易藏得住。
这些红点窗口小，红点看到的范围小，一开始会不习惯，不像准星在举枪瞄准过程中很
早就看得见，很多人因此第一枪比用铁瞄慢。另外如果后座控制不过关，一枪打完铁瞄
不回到原处，要花功夫和时间找回准星的，这种水平的用红点可能会更慢。 |
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d*****n
发帖数: 908 | 28 对，RMR价格另算。250刀只是手工费，包括装红点和Suppressor Sight。
Trijicon的RMR大约500-650刀，是比较贵。
我看到的对不用电池红点的评价，正如你说的，在昏暗的光线下效果较差。用户认为除
非所在的地方电池难于买到，要不还是用电池的好。除了不用电池，Dual
Illuminating的并没有什么优势。哦，便宜几十刀。
RM07把亮度放在4-8，连续使用可以4年，和不用电池也没啥区别了。 |
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w*****o
发帖数: 1806 | 29 那suppressor没有降低枪口上跳或减少后座力的作用吧？
所以223/556 pistol还是应该比300 acc容易handle？ |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 30 .300 aac亚音速，加上suppressor添加的重量，后座很小，muzzle flip也不会太严重
。没打过，但亚音速的7.62x39后座如何可想而知
Ar可以留着buffer tube, 外面套个foam pad的那种，增加些长度但可以贴腮。也有人
用比较长的tube抵肩。既然atf不认为buffer tube是枪托，那你怎么用都是合法的。
Pistol+单点枪绳打556，545可以对付，762x39以上就勉强了吧，不如Sbr和折叠托 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 31 回归正题吧，美国几大消音器厂商(AAC, Surefire, Gem-Tech等)的网站上去看一下吧
，或者随便狗一下就知道了(keywords: suppressor, decibel ...)
制式步枪(和这次凶犯用的步枪发射相似子弹)用了消音器，还可以是130分贝以上的巨
响，但不至于造成或者较难造成永久听力损害。
看电影电视了解枪支简直就是害死人。 |
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h*********r
发帖数: 1943 | 32 所谓的“消音”器只在使用亚音速弹的时候声音才比较轻，.45ACP是非常优秀的原生亚
音速，而9mm之流装消音器效果就差很多。
说到办公楼，如果很安静有没有极好的室内隔音措施的话带消音器的一枪下去怕得让整
个楼层都听得到，这是摔个茶壶热水瓶级别的动静，一点都不轻，.22的超音速弹室内
装了消音器近距离也得带护耳，不然耳朵嗡嗡响
算是打过接触过很多Suppressor的亲身体会吧 |
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h*********r
发帖数: 1943 | 33 Pay only during transfer, SBR and Suppressor $200, Machine guns $5.
Then you'll be good, no more tax stamp fee needed. Buyer from you also will
pay once when he/she bought it. |
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 34 还tmd挺严密的
新枪只要有一种"feature"就要被禁。
已有旧枪的不许流通，还得去警局注册。
经历过以前斗争史的人来说说，这种狮子大开口成功率有多大？
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a
detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept
more than 10 rounds.
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******n
发帖数: 12995 | 36 SGL21有
1. front sight block with bayonet lug
2. pistol grip
这个连1994AWB的标准都过不了吧。。。
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of
the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or
firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade
launchers and not those mounted externally). |
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d*****g
发帖数: 243 | 37
1.为啥M1A就不行了？除去弹匣的原因。
-- flash suppressor
2.现在没有，但以后会有厂家会做的。
-- maybe but it's highly possible that liberetards will tighten the ban to 5
round later on, since they successfully reduced the cap from 30rd to 10rd
and now to 7rd... The trend is terrifying
3.注册可能劳民伤财且收效甚微，但也只能走一步看一步，而且如果没有注册，私人间
的枪支交易漏洞无法堵上。
This might make sense but criminals don't obey the laws and they can get
what they want anyway. We'll see...
4. 成本是要上升，但自己还是可以控制的，要么少打点儿，要么自己做。
Words are that reloading device will also be cont... 阅读全帖 |
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 38 仔细看一下，有AWB的时候，美国和其它大多数发达国家相比，对半自动步枪的管制都
要严格，管理要松一些的 - 我说管制严，管理松 - 因为美国不要license, 但是用一
些莫明其妙的限制管制了硬件。
现在纽约州通过的SB法律，结果是造成的管理和管制比大多数其它发达国家都要严。
希望纽约的今天不是美国的未来...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15
AR15
Legal status of civilian ownership
Australia
AR-15 rifles, like all semi-automatic rifles, are subject to strong
restrictions of ownership in all states and territories in Australia. The
only means of legally owning an AR-15/M16-type rifle in Australia today
beyond law enforcement is to have a Categor... 阅读全帖 |
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h*********r
发帖数: 1943 | 40 SHOT SHOW结束之后 U2B上渐渐出现了很多Video。有些很好有些很怪，但这个确实让我
看喷了
1：50秒开始真正解释了MPX为什么在6.5寸长的枪管前面硬要加个形状古怪的9.5寸长
Muzzzzzzzzle Brake
原来丫根本就是个Suppressor buffer tube！只要ATF填表套个管子盖个盖就是内建的
消音器，心头千军万马奔过，实在就觉得Sig这么搞真是完全在耍ATF啊，每一支卖出去
的MPX-C最后都可以套个金属管子消音。
Anbother reason to buy a Sig：
SHTF Suppressed Carbine！
LOL |
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 41 不锈钢管子细，管壁薄，打快了，打完一个弹匣吹口气，枪口就一阵白烟。
所以窃以为，那个假suppressor其实是防止烫伤的 |
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f*********n
发帖数: 11154 | 42 Apply coupon "DUT" for $5 Shipping over $125
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-amp-action-parts/
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bolt/carrier, charging handle, free-float handguard, gas block, and barrel.
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h*********2
发帖数: 2508 | 44 既然pistol不震，还整啥SBR啊，弄BATF那个劳什子随时来抽查咋整? 然后还隔三差五
tax stamp.
俺就是怕麻烦，什么SBR, suppressor都决定先忍忍了
实在想短的可以考虑FS2000啊，或者等等TAVOR, 不比SBR贵哪儿去，省心多了。 |
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 45 As a New York resident, this picture is very disturbing to me.
Just look at the "assault weapon" this SWAT idiot is carrying: besides the
reversed EOTech, this AR is full of "evil features" that a law-abiding
citizen is not allowed to possess in NY:
high cap mag;
flash suppressor;
pistol grip;
front grip;
adjustable stock... etc.
... you name it...
And we are supposed to give up our firearms and let an idiot like this
to do the job. |
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p*****d
发帖数: 61 | 46 不是又出来一个Take down TDT, 黑的, 有Threaded Barrel with
Flash Suppressor, barrel短点
买不到就是
没想好买哪个 |
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f**s
发帖数: 2225 | 47 拍电影可以，李波肉真会给自己留后路
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_s
Possession of automatic weapons or short-barreled shotguns or rifles
prohibited without DOJ "Dangerous Weapons Permit"; permission rarely granted
outside of film industry. Suppressors (aka silencers) prohibited. AOW's (
Any Other Weapons) permitted, except for "pen guns." |
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T*****r
发帖数: 225 | 48
45T
这世道$960算不错了。。。
我想买HK45 in tan. 你买HK45T是会装suppressor? |
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h**********n
发帖数: 394 | 50 1) Less parts than DI AR, so less likely to malfunction. No o-ring failures
or gas tube problem. Agreed or not, a solid piston rod is stronger than a
gas tube with a tiny diameter where the majority of carbon fouling and
buildup takes place (in addition to the upper receiver and the BCG).
2) Piston AR is getting lighter designs as we speak, eg: PWS MK1 Mod1 series
, Adams Arms EVO with Samson rail.
3) Piston AR is considerably more reliable than contemporary DI AR in
torture test and adverse bat... 阅读全帖 |
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