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发帖数: 1122 | 1
你说”Alf的作品和Lemma的一些作品感觉就像是在模仿某个摄影家的风格”.我不是他
们,也不能代表他们,下面只是我的一面之词.他们能自己说说最好,也请懂摄影史的同学
纠正.
我听说Alf很喜欢Atget, Stephen Shore, Joel Meyerowitz.据我所知这些人是摄影史
上很重要的一个流派. 这里面还有一个特别重要的, 承前启后的摄影师,Walker Evans.
这一派特别被MOMA的摄影主任,很有影响力的John Szarkowski推崇, John Szarkowski
在Walker Evans展览册中用一句著名的话概括了他们的风格: “Evans’ work is
rooted in the photography of the earlier past, and constitutes a
reaffirmation of what had been photography’s central sense of purpose and
aesthetic: the precise and lucid description of a signific... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 2 John Szarkowski的Atget， MOMA出版
里面每幅atget的照片配一篇John Szarkowski的讲解文章，文章很通俗易懂，没有什么
深奥的理论，只是结合翔实的历史背景介绍Atget的拍摄动机和手法。对学习摄影很有
帮助。
http://www.amazon.com/Atget-John-Szarkowski/dp/0870700944/ref=l
摘录一段，我觉得算是对摄影做了一个很简洁明了的概括。
"To a photographer the world consists of an infinite number of vantage
points-places to stand-of which very few are altogether satisfactory. The
photographer's goal is simple in principle and seemingly modest in ambition:
it is to find the place and moment from which some interesting ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 3 看到了Vivian Maier: Street Photographer，John Maloof编辑的。照片选的还成，就
是数量太少了。印刷质量比较impressive。翻了一遍，几乎能感觉的Vivian拍每张照片
时的感受。她是个具有敏锐观察力，同时比较emotional的摄影师。
http://www.amazon.com/Vivian-Maier-Street-Photographer/dp/15768
还看到了Joel Sternfeld的On this site的再版，这本书拍摄了很多著名事件发生的场
所，我似乎更喜欢读里面的简短的文字介绍多过看图。
买了一本Moma Director of Photography John Szarkowski评的Atget，这本书收录了
一百多幅Eugène Atget 的作品，每幅都有John Szarkowski的大段评论，很适合想学
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发帖数: 14299 | 4
Evans.
Szarkowski
而且John Szarkowski就是威大麦城毕业的校友啊，他自己的画册第一张就是威大校园
。bangbing可以听听老学长（太老了，都已经过世了）怎么说的。 |
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发帖数: 2534 | 5 是啊，我快速地读了一遍，没觉得这书有多么好，里面的内容很多别的摄影教材上也都
有，比如说John Hedgecoe的摄影手册，也是这样一条一条配上例照，让人看着觉得非
常易于学习模仿，其实很教条，何况照片内容比视觉美更重要。倒是John Szarkowski
的同名画册真的更值得一读。
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发帖数: 25662 | 6 照片版多年未见这种百楼大帖了
关键词，mm，p老师，小叶子。。。
Szarkowski |
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发帖数: 2534 | 7 I wouldn't take this book too seriously, great artists are almost never
great art critic and vice versa. John Szarkowski, being one of the best
curator and critic of modern photography, wrote some amazing articles on
Garry Winogrand, Robert Adams, etc., yet never had any breakthrough with his
own photography work. The capability of writing eloquent and sensible prose
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发帖数: 2534 | 8 "I am afraid that you have misunderstood my views. I am not especially
interested in anonymous photography, or pictorialist photography, or avant-
garde photography, or in straight, crooked or any other subspecific category
of photography; I am interested in the entire, indivisible, hairy beast—
because in the real world, where photographs are made, these subspecies, or
races, interbreed shamelessly and continually."
- John Szarkowski |
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发帖数: 5682 | 9 一张博物馆的，想模仿Thomas Struth, 没有三脚架的动力和条件，只能放在凳子上，
构图就别提了，光圈开到最大快门都还是太慢，景深自然也只能玩小景深了。天知道
Thomas Struth怎么实现他的景深和相对合理的快门速度的。
John Szarkowski在Atget书里提到几乎每个Atget之后的摄影师都拍过公园里的空椅子
，这是我拍的。自我感觉这个相机的low-fi挺衬托这个氛围。左上角的一截黑树干是个
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发帖数: 14299 | 10
我不是跟你说了么，这是用dye transfer打印的，当时这是一项绝活，实际照片比电脑
屏幕上的照片好很多（当然，我也没看见过，只是看网上评论），所以如果这张照片有
可取之处的话，也许（当然这也是我的猜测）是照片的颜色的过渡，这在电脑屏幕上的
小图是没法看清楚的。
当时的MOMA摄影部主任John Szarkowski就是看了他的这部作品集，力荐WE办个展。当
然，当年WE办了个展，也是有很多人说他拍的不知所云，估计跟你说“装X”行为差不
多，但是结果证明，很多人看走了眼。
您还别介意，这张照片还真不算什么，你要是看见Stephen Shore在American Surfaces
里面把他刚拉过臭臭，还没冲刷的马桶的照片也收录进去了，按照您老这接受程度，估
计三个礼拜的饭都能吐出来。 |
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发帖数: 14299 | 11 John Szarkowski是麦城校友，顶一下。 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 12 The American photographer Garry Winogrand said that he had no philosophical
objection to photographs that had been set up; it was simply that he did not
consider himself imaginative enough to invent a world as fascinating (and
often, as bizarre) as the one that confronted him on the street every day.
Another American photographer, Paul Caponigro, once said: "Of all my
photographs, the ones that have most meaning for me are those that I was
moved to make from certain vantage point, at a certain m... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 249 | 13 The Photographer's Eye
Looking at Photographs
都是John Szarkowski写的，MoMA的摄影部前馆长，摄影评论学生的必读教材。 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 14 Eugene Atget, Parc de Sceaux, mars, 7 h. matin. (1925)
At sixty-eight, at seven o’clock on a gary March morning, he (Eugene Atget)
may have felt a special kinship with this particular pine--a tree scarred
by life and slighted by time, eccentric but still vital and compelling--
which should be photographed perfectly, in a way that would match, or echo,
it own unrepeatable identity.
This should be done not because it might bring him wealth, fame, power,
esteem(then or later), or a higher statio... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 15 多谢zhuzi，我的确是受这个流派影响最大，我自己受到的影响再往前追溯还可以到赛
尚。
也的确如你所指出的那样，这组片子里能够反映出这个流派想法的片子很有限。个人玩
票罢了。
另外多谢提醒楼歪了，这个好调。
Evans.
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发帖数: 5682 | 16 多谢蓝老，虽说没心情看讨论，但一出马就给出特别有营养的东西。
我们这次主要是讨论摄影的众多理解，而非谁高谁低。
那次人文vs风光的讨论看下来也有收获，不过我觉得no偏颇了，可重复性的确不重要，
重要的是创新性。人文片和非人文片的争论倒是历史很悠久的，有个哥们写了本书从各
个方面（包括很多哲学上的东西）来论述这两者谁高谁低。他的观点是非人文更高级，
而这恰恰是摄影近年来开始在艺术界（拍卖市场，博物馆，画廊，个人收藏）占据重要
位置的原因。这本书争议较大，而且很晦涩。
我就贴段书评吧
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Photography-Matters-Never-Before/prod
4.0 out of 5 stars Difficult, flawed, but a must read for art (and non-art)
photography, July 19, 2009
By John Armstrong
This review is from: Why Photography Matters as Art as Never Before (
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发帖数: 5114 | 17 谢谢你，每次看你发言都挺言之有物的。我目前喜欢Walker Evans多一些，一直想去找
Atget来系统看看，时间一长就忘了。 我很奇怪冰棒为毛觉得我照片的颜色和alf像？
明明我一直坚持恶趣味的“塑料质感”和花花绿绿五彩缤纷呐。。。 人家喜欢塞尚，
我喜欢米罗，差很远很远的好不好。。。
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发帖数: 1122 | 18 是的，用的是24mm. 在想要不要换28mm.
最近读了John Szarkowski关于Winogrand的文章：
Winogrand had been consciously interested in the question of viewing
distance at least since the mid-sixties, by which time he understood that
closer is merely easier, not neces-sarily better. How small in relation to
the total field can the most important part of the subject be and still be
clearly described?
In Los Angeles Winogrand made thousands of pic-tures of people who were too
far away to be described in detail, perhaps to test h... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5682 | 19 我觉得弱的是有些重叠的，背影的，略cliche的。风景单一造成重复性较明显。
你的片子难道不都是记录风貌的纪实片么。
boring的地方可以不加思索的忠实记录，也可以专找那些有趣的场景，比如4，16那样
的。
说到拍陌生人的距离，我倒挺喜欢保持一点距离的， John Szarkowski说得不错，这是
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发帖数: 1122 | 20 是，我的理解是这个歪解决了两个问题：眼平视点高，广角变形。
John Szarkowski专门讲过这个：
“IN THE STREET PICTURES of the early sixties Winogrand began to develop two
pictorial strategies that he found suggested in certain pictures in Frank's
The Americans. The first of these related to unexplored possibilities of
the wide-angle lens on the hand camera. The conventional conception of the
wide-angle lens saw it as a tool that included more of the potential subject
from a given vantage point; most photographers would not use it unless... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1122 | 21 来自主题: PhotoForum版 - 看游行的人 google了一下,好像是Szarkowski在Guide的前言里说的：
http://www.egglestontrust.com/guide_intro.html
“When Alfred H. Barr, Jr., first saw a selection of slides from this series
in 1972 he observed - surprisingly but in fact accurately - that the design
of most of the pictures seemed to radiate from a central, circular core. In
time the observation was relayed to Eggleston, who replied, after a barely
perceptible hesitation, that this was true, since the pictures were based
compositionally on the Confederate flag... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 140 | 22 看到两本The photographer's eye
1。 The photographer's eye
Szarkowski, John.
2。 The photographer's eye : composition and design for better digital
photos
Freeman, Michael, 1945-
哪本是正宗的？ |
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发帖数: 14299 | 24 Found a list:
http://blakeandrews.blogspot.com/2008/03/favorite-photography-books.html
Michael Kenna:
1. Bill Brandt, Shadows of Light: Photographs
2. Bill Jay, Occam's Razor: An Outside-In View of Contemporary Photography
3. Josef Sudek, Kirschner Zdenek
4. John Szarkowski & Maria Morris Hambourg, The Work of Atget
5. Olivia Parker, Signs of Life: Photographs
6. David Heiden, Dust to Dust: A Doctor's View of Famine in Africa
Mark Klett:
1. Bill Burke, I Want to Take Picture
2. Robert Adams, To |
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