l******u 发帖数: 3169 | 1 哈哈,我经常拿我姑娘举重,不过TGU这个难度太高了 :-) |
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p*********l 发帖数: 26270 | 5 高级,还有橡胶底
我也有次做TGU的时候肩膀没力气了,突然一松,好在我左手把KB托住了,没打到自己 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 6 TGU 是所有overhead lifting 的基础,通过TGU可以学习正确的body alignment. 听说
100多年前的power lifters没有一定的TGU基础是不允许做其他training的。TGU非常耗
时,而且要保证动作到位, 对刚开始练的人来说,是不应该追求多reps的。 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 7 奔 一下您 88LBS Turkish Get Up... and 70 lbs snatch... PX will be pk'ed :)
me 25 lbs TGU 都做的 有点不稳, 35 lbs KB snatch 倒是还比较轻松. 看来 KB
SNATCH 的难度是随着 KB 重量 平方增长的。。。
TGU 起床可以用上. cotter TGU 都超过体重了吧, 这样摔交跟他差不多体重的人基本
上没法把他压在下面了 |
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m******i 发帖数: 9479 | 8 大师,继续请教一下。
我买了15磅的KB,可以做military press,很较劲地做三到五个,也可以用15磅做TGU
,换着手来做,5分钟比较轻松。我觉得这个重量还算合适,您觉得呢?我想再购入一
个25磅左右的,two handed swing的时候用。这几天每天都做了几组swing,于是乎这
几天后腰一直都酸,这是正常的吧?还是我动作不正确所以刺激的肌肉群不对?
我LG买了个35磅的KB。他深蹲1 rep max在300左右,BP 1rep max大概200左右,按照
pavel的说法,应该是用1 pood的。可是他用这个重量完全做不起来press,TGU也做不
了,halo都只能做个三五个。这是因为力量不够还是因为technique没有掌握好呢?是
不是应该用轻一点的KB呢?
此外,不论是做clean还是TGU还是press,只要KB是rest在前臂上,都压得好疼啊,我
都不敢多做,怕bruise。这个是慢慢练练就好了,还是说初期,我还是买个forearm
guard比较好?
问题很多,多谢指教!
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 9 TGU是身体under tension的能力,胳膊主要是哑铃的支架,身体动而带动胳膊动。我觉
得你的瓶颈,可能是下面几点:1。力量耐力,多练练就好了,疲劳了是不能很好
lockout的。2。肩膀的mobility 3。哑铃对于TGU不是很natural,因为kb可以 hook 在
虎口上,而哑铃你总要用力去抓着它,你可以换成那个能抓的杠铃片,效果会好的多。
不能lockout主要是习惯的问题,这也是力量举和健美举的差别,是需要一段时间适应
的,平常可以在头顶lockout,hold, 既可以练lockout,对core也是很好的练习。好在
TGU主要锻炼目标是core,手臂的lockout不应该是你的限制因素。初始时不要太严格手
臂的lockout,你怎样舒服就怎样来吧。记住手臂只是weight的支架,是core把你的手臂
连同weight一起举起来。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 10 第一个是RKC的标志性TGU,中间多了一个bridge, 更侧重稳定性。
我现在专攻press和jerk,heavy swing作辅助,好久没有TGU,最后一次TGU是97lb.而且
现在pullup比较多,每次运动前做5组,总共80-100个pullups,总数随机 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 11 据说old school lifters在TGU 100lb之前是不能练其他动作的。TGU是一切lift的基础
,所以我最好的建议是先学TGU. |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 12 thanks. i haven't done much snatch after that. especially my left hand, the
position of my left shoulder is very high. plus my foream still get lightly
bruised, :)
more often with tgu. feel better with tgu.
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not in
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 13 是不是要看情况?
clean & snatch 的时候, HANDLE都是在手掌中转动的, 非常磨手啊。 昨天我用杂志
中撕下的纸。
听CROSSFIT 也用手套。
如果是SWING, BOTTOM UP PRESS, HANDLE不要在手掌中转动, 防滑有用.
昨天我停止了SNATCH, 只做SWING&CLEAN, TGU。
SNATCH 的技术要求高, OVERHEAD ballistic LIFTING 对LOWERBACK 的压力大。 TGU
和LOWER BACK 还要加强
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d****r 发帖数: 2912 | 14 I used lighter DB to practice TGU before using the #35 KB to do it.
TGU |
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d****r 发帖数: 2912 | 15 I used lighter DB to practice TGU before using the #35 KB to do it.
TGU |
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l******u 发帖数: 3169 | 16 第七周(5/30-6/5)
6/1 Day45 Burn Interval with Extreme Abs
6/2 Day46 Plyometrics
6/3 Day47 Legs & Back with ARX
6/4 Day48 YogaX
6/5 Day49 KB Practice (60min)
Weekly Average Calories (Carbs:Fat:Protein) = 2128 (233:61:154)
想法:PlyoX一小时,平均心律138,最大177。Burn Interval 45分钟,平均心律148,
最大174。本周前两天闹肚子,上吐下泻,不但没有锻炼,连饭都没怎么吃。周日的KB
现在是swing和TGU都比划两下,不知道每个TGU之间球可不可以放下来歇一下? |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 17 谢谢指点!
KB grip 我是用 45 degree, 用palm strike 那种感觉支撑. wrsit 感觉还可以。
我的eblow 在上下的过程中有bend, 第二天elbow 有略微酸。eblow 应该全程 笔直吧?
做tgu的目的是core stability, 加 floor press 的确没必要。
我习惯用floor press 开始, 但是最近觉得floor press 比 DB bench press 对eblow
& shoulder 的 stress 大一些。 chest 的刺激有不够。 我开始停止floor press,
用weighted push up 和 military press 保持pressing stregnth.
lunge 起来有一下偏向后腰一些, 不好。
听你beast jerk 3x8, tgu 到 106#了吧. |
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x*******u 发帖数: 1180 | 18 11/03/12
Gym work out
Warm up:
10 min AMT
20 push up
20 squat
20 kb swing (25lb)
Front squat 5*5 (45lb)
Back squat. 2*5 (65lb). 3*5 (85lb)
20 kb swing
4 TGU each side (10lb)
Did all the small muscles movements
今天力量室有一神人, 不停地大声地自言自语,走来走去, 好怕他发起神经砸东西。
。子木的壶铃硕大的一个,不知是什么 材质, 觉得不如box的铁壶顺手。做TGU先是丛
左边做起, 很自然地记起俄国大叔的提示~沉肩。 站起来时, 手稳了很多。换右边
时, 竟然不知道如何follow through, 于是又换到左边, 脑子开始回放俄国大叔的
示范。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 19 TGU和jerk我上一个循环作了,上个是每周三练clean&jerk,time set.间隔两天tgu。后
来CJ没进步,就换个program.
MP for strength, jerk for power,mp上肢多一点,jerk主要下肢。我喜欢jerk更多,
更好的全身运动 |
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p*********l 发帖数: 26270 | 20 放心吧,一般女人都练不成那样的
她是专业教练,力量很强,能用50镑还不是60磅的壶玲做TGU,肩部力量非常强大,即
使在专业教练里也是大牛的。
给你个概念:我只能用15-20磅的壶玲做TGU,而且现在体重已经很稳定了,回到110磅
以后已经两个月没挪窝了。女人长肌肉哪那么容易?我这辈子都不会搞出来那种肩膀。 |
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p*********l 发帖数: 26270 | 21 放心吧,一般女人都练不成那样的
她是专业教练,力量很强,能用50镑还不是60磅的壶玲做TGU,肩部力量非常强大,即
使在专业教练里也是大牛的。
给你个概念:我只能用15-20磅的壶玲做TGU,而且现在体重已经很稳定了,回到110磅
以后已经两个月没挪窝了。女人长肌肉哪那么容易?我这辈子都不会搞出来那种肩膀。 |
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f*******n 发帖数: 5241 | 22 忍不住上来抱怨一下。你做1000个snatch,1000个swing,怎么会对我做100个TGU那么
不以为然呢?说实话,一个小时的TGU做下来,对Core的锻炼感觉还是很棒的。
swing |
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b**********e 发帖数: 5571 | 23 【 以下文字转载自 Fitness 讨论区 】
发信人: BrillBilly (Bill), 信区: Fitness
标 题: 奔一下最新状态
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 6 18:50:24 2011, 美东)
去年三月份重新开始去正儿八经的健身房,已经快一年了,秀一下刚拍的照片。
总体上锻炼挺勤快,除了出差休假,一般是一周练4-5次。每次10分钟慢跑热身,40-50
分钟举重,30分钟跑步,最后拉伸10多分钟。重新抡起杠铃后半年后各种动作都到了平
台期,深蹲最近还有蜗牛式进步,估计这个动作调用的肌肉多,潜力也大一点。最近想
多跑一点,不过深蹲和swing之后几天跑起来太痛苦,刚恢复一点又要开始下一轮,得
少蹲才能多跑了。体重一直保持在180磅,体脂看不出明显的下降,基本上属于原地踏
步。
总结一下一年来的亮点:
第一当然是没有受伤,能健健康康地经常运动是一种福气,不少人对这点深有体会吧。
我算是幸运的,举重从来没有受过伤,主要原因估计是水平次,上的重量不大,客观上
减少了受伤的机会。自己的经验是要热身充分,时间再紧,10分钟热身不能省,每个动
作前也都用小... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********5 发帖数: 7881 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 Fitness 讨论区 】
发信人: BrillBilly (Bill), 信区: Fitness
标 题: 奔一下最新状态
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 6 18:50:24 2011, 美东)
去年三月份重新开始去正儿八经的健身房,已经快一年了,秀一下刚拍的照片。
总体上锻炼挺勤快,除了出差休假,一般是一周练4-5次。每次10分钟慢跑热身,40-50
分钟举重,30分钟跑步,最后拉伸10多分钟。重新抡起杠铃后半年后各种动作都到了平
台期,深蹲最近还有蜗牛式进步,估计这个动作调用的肌肉多,潜力也大一点。最近想
多跑一点,不过深蹲和swing之后几天跑起来太痛苦,刚恢复一点又要开始下一轮,得
少蹲才能多跑了。体重一直保持在180磅,体脂看不出明显的下降,基本上属于原地踏
步。
总结一下一年来的亮点:
第一当然是没有受伤,能健健康康地经常运动是一种福气,不少人对这点深有体会吧。
我算是幸运的,举重从来没有受过伤,主要原因估计是水平次,上的重量不大,客观上
减少了受伤的机会。自己的经验是要热身充分,时间再紧,10分钟热身不能省,每个动
作前也都用小... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******k 发帖数: 2427 | 25 看来还得有点耐心。本来用到手腕的锻炼的强度都已经大大减轻了,Swing/TGU都没再
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m*******r 发帖数: 13263 | 26 自買回來以後,主要在做militray press,swing,和偶爾的八字以熟悉壺性。用大個
的做八字的時候腳踝還是有感覺。TGU準備等腳踝好了以後再做。第一天clean和snatch
打的小臂還有點兒疼;不過現在可以比較正確的轉它了,而不是從上頭直接翻去。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 27 进步很快,多练些swing和TGU,他们是一切的基础。
到目前为止你喜欢KB吗?
沒完全恢復。 |
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m*******r 发帖数: 13263 | 28 其實力量並沒有漲多少,主要是動作上習慣了很多。
肩臂力量相對弱,TGU還不行,總是幾個以後就把持不住穩定性;swing倒是好些,只是左腳踝還容易累。總之腿部不敢量大。
感覺KB比較靈活,它的形狀賦予了它比啞鈴較多的靈活性。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 29 力气没长多少但能举起跟多重量,其实就是neuralogical adaptation起作用, 发挥了
更多肌肉的潜能,其实functional strength还是长了吗。TGU不习惯可以先练练
kettlebell arm bar.
是左腳踝還容易累。總之腿部不敢量大。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 30 你确定是从rack position 的strict kb military press? 因为kb military press最
难的是转臂,从手心对着身体转到手心向外, 手臂在身体外侧。第二难得是手肘从腰
部抬到上臂水平。 第三步才跟db press 全过程一样,举过顶。前两步占80%的分量
你如果TGU 53lb都不能轻松完成的话,不可能press 53lb的kb. |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 31 I did snatch a 88lb once in a kb store, but never succeed at home.I think
the hard floor in the store made the difference.I use soft mat at home.The
biggest challenge for me is the grip, it is so hard to control at such a
high speed.
You might confuse about the military press with a regular press. As I post
before, the most difficult part of military press is the arm rotation step.
BTW, I watched your snatch and TGU videos. You might want to drop a little
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 32 found a local store selling Apollo KB.
tried snatch 53, okay.
then tried snatch 62, 感觉一下觉得 难很多, LOCK OUT 时用左手帮了一下, not
comfortable. 的确加重PROGRESSION 挺难的...估计只能BUILD UP VOLUME慢慢来
MP 62 很难, 主要是大铁球压前臂很痛。
KGU存在同样压前臂问题。
我在家用STONE BAG 压前臂的问题小一些, BAG 重心更低, 所以TGU 容易一些。 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 33 TGU is more about the total time under the weight(hence total time in
tension) than the number of reps. |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 34 did 2 sets of 20reps for swing,clean, snatch with 35 bell.
some clean with buttom up lock out
5-10 min TGU, mostly 35 bell, ended with one rep with 53 bell.
some front squat at rack postion, single bell 35, 53, then double bells (35
+ 53)
i may have growed the volume a little bit too agressive, some mild &
sporatic discomfort are felt in lower back the following day. need to rest and see.
there are opposite voice against kettle bell, using dumnbell & barbell in wrong form and volume, the resul... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 35 我现在基本上能摆脱手套了。drop的时候KB从掌根落下,轻轻滑过掌心,用手指hook住
。但grip下降时,你就很难保证有这么好的technique了。 KB练长了,特别是作large
volume的以后,你就会体会到它和DB的不同。KB有很多细微的技术活,每次练的时候对
这些技术都有进一步的体会,戴手套有时很难体会到的。
还有个办法,从袜筒上剪下3"的一圈,戴在手掌上,效果非常好。经常要用pedegg把老
茧磨平。
TGU |
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m*******r 发帖数: 13263 | 36 一般是在接近最高点转动,那时候速度很低,手不用握紧
TGU |
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c*******k 发帖数: 2427 | 37 这个问题很 tough,这半年没咋练,就只好偶尔在这里潜水啦。
今晚赶紧去测了一下,再加上状态不好,就只做了 swing,发觉没达到半年前的最高水
平,汗一个,不进则退。。。
改天去测一下 TGU, Clean and Snatch |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 38 feels like that mike mahler has some good writing about KB training for
beginners.
saw him snatch 106 for reps in comfortable manner!
bais for to grow snatch:
double KB MP, comfortable lock out over head for 10sec at least;
KB TGU, 5 min comforably under weight;
double KB swing (swing high), maybe high pull;
but KB is not about grow 1RM agressively. |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 39 if do a lot of high-rep sets, better use competition style KB (thinner
handle, more expensive). quote from Mahler.
i quickly found my weak link --- grip endurance, all pulling motions tax
grip, i think i am not doing the same exercise, but they all stress
grip, whose weakest link is elbow connection tissue.
i guess the first 3 month is all test and see with moderate weight,
understand overhead lift and back health
KB exercise stuart stuart mcgill recommends is not Snatch or TGU, but KB butt... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 40 Back to the basic
Swing and turkish get up are two fundamental movements of kettlebell lifting
. Repetition is the best teacher.There are some lessons that only lots and
lots of correct reps can teach. A martial art master once noted that 10,000
reps of each basic strike, block and kick is enough to attain a rudimentary
understanding of each movement, but it takes 100,000 reps before anything
like mastery occurs. So I plan to go back to the basic next month. Personal
goal: 5000 swing and 500 TGU... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 41 his max strength is stunning so snatching a 48kg like it is made of wood.
this guy has tremendous strength in tendon, saw him bottom up press 24kg,
with a 16kg stack on it, and reps.
my TGU on stronger side grows to 70#, military press not much progress.
military press asks for a number of small muscle groups around shoulder and
collar bone. 53# is 2rm for my left side, so it is hard to use 5rm. i started to try push press, with a 4-count lowering on left side, then do 1 2 3 ladder.
now I am ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 42 鉴于long cycle 进步不大,决定把它分成clean,static hold, jerk三个动作来练,
分别完善各个动作。我对重量训练, 特别是力量耐力训练的体会是,初期form,breath
, tension最重要,但到一定阶段,再想涨成绩, 主要靠技术细节了。每个动作,做到
1000个基本掌握动作要领,做到10000个,就基本automatic了,身体可以像机器一样精
密了。现在routine 是
day 1: 2*70lb double clean, 2*(10, 11, 12, 13, 14) ladder
2*70lb floor press& push up (交替进行,不休息)
floor press 10, 12, 14, 16, 18
pushups 20, 18, 16, 14, 12
day 2: 2*70lb military press 4*(2, 3,4, 5, 6) ladder total 80 press
2*70lb front s... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 43 Back to the basic
Swing and turkish get up are two fundamental movements of kettlebell lifting
. Repetition is the best teacher.There are some lessons that only lots and
lots of correct reps can teach. A martial art master once noted that 10,000
reps of each basic strike, block and kick is enough to attain a rudimentary
understanding of each movement, but it takes 100,000 reps before anything
like mastery occurs. So I plan to go back to the basic next month. Personal
goal: 5000 swing and 500 TGU... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******k 发帖数: 2427 | 44 这个问题很 tough,这半年没咋练,就只好偶尔在这里潜水啦。
今晚赶紧去测了一下,再加上状态不好,就只做了 swing,发觉没达到半年前的最高水
平,汗一个,不进则退。。。
改天去测一下 TGU, Clean and Snatch |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 45 feels like that mike mahler has some good writing about KB training for
beginners.
saw him snatch 106 for reps in comfortable manner!
bais for to grow snatch:
double KB MP, comfortable lock out over head for 10sec at least;
KB TGU, 5 min comforably under weight;
double KB swing (swing high), maybe high pull;
but KB is not about grow 1RM agressively. |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 46 if do a lot of high-rep sets, better use competition style KB (thinner
handle, more expensive). quote from Mahler.
i quickly found my weak link --- grip endurance, all pulling motions tax
grip, i think i am not doing the same exercise, but they all stress
grip, whose weakest link is elbow connection tissue.
i guess the first 3 month is all test and see with moderate weight,
understand overhead lift and back health
KB exercise stuart stuart mcgill recommends is not Snatch or TGU, but KB butt... 阅读全帖 |
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c******t 发帖数: 1733 | 47 鉴于long cycle 进步不大,决定把它分成clean,static hold, jerk三个动作来练,
分别完善各个动作。我对重量训练, 特别是力量耐力训练的体会是,初期form,breath
, tension最重要,但到一定阶段,再想涨成绩, 主要靠技术细节了。每个动作,做到
1000个基本掌握动作要领,做到10000个,就基本automatic了,身体可以像机器一样精
密了。现在routine 是
day 1: 2*70lb double clean, 2*(10, 11, 12, 13, 14) ladder
2*70lb floor press& push up (交替进行,不休息)
floor press 10, 12, 14, 16, 18
pushups 20, 18, 16, 14, 12
day 2: 2*70lb military press 4*(2, 3,4, 5, 6) ladder total 80 press
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 48 have you ever test the paint on KB for lead/cadium?
the KB i have is made in China, i am not sure "lead based paint" is
banned
in china.
guess one way is to remove the paint and put on new paint in US.
by the way, i sold the pro-grade KB as i figure i won't do hi-rep
ballistic swing/clean/snatches. now have single 32kg,24kg, 16kg iron KB
with 2kg bottom adjustment. only very basic exercises:
floor press
TGU(first half to sit position)
clean (two hands)
press/push press/jerk (< 10 rm)
rack and lu... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r 发帖数: 2325 | 49 have you ever test the paint on KB for lead/cadium?
the KB i have is made in China, i am not sure "lead based paint" is
banned
in china.
guess one way is to remove the paint and put on new paint in US.
by the way, i sold the pro-grade KB as i figure i won't do hi-rep
ballistic swing/clean/snatches. now have single 32kg,24kg, 16kg iron KB
with 2kg bottom adjustment. only very basic exercises:
floor press
TGU(first half to sit position)
clean (two hands)
press/push press/jerk (< 10 rm)
rack and lu... 阅读全帖 |
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