G*******s 发帖数: 4956 | 1 Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
by Matt Slick
There's a lot of discussion about Mormon beliefs. So, in order to make this
easy, I will list out what Mormonism actually teaches. These are not sensati
onalized, and inaccurate statements.
Following documentation from Mormon authors. Finally, please understand tha
t the Mormon Church uses Christian terms but has radically changed the meani
ngs of those terms. So, when it says that Mormons belief in the father the
son and the Holy Spirit, they ... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a 发帖数: 9485 | 2 In terms of religious beliefs and practices, the survey makes it clear that
Mormons are highly religious — again, not a big surprise. Eighty-two
percent say that religion is very important in their lives, and 77 percent
say they believe wholeheartedly in all of the church’s teachings. Fully 83
percent say they pray every day, 79 percent say they donate 10 percent of
their earnings to the church in tithing and 77 percent say they attend
church at least once a week. According to Pew, “Mormons exhi... 阅读全帖 |
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T*****n 发帖数: 2456 | 3 这是发动十字军东征号召的教皇乌尔班二世的演说词,要不您老来评价评价,怎么不符
合圣经了?人家也是引用圣经做铺垫的。不会归根结底又变成新教徒批判天主教教皇制
吧。
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各位敬爱的兄弟:我,凭借上帝恩赐而成为基督教教宗和整个世界领袖的乌尔班,向你
们发出最紧急的呼吁。我作为背负天命的使者,来到你们这群上帝的仆人中间。我希望
能在你们身上找到我所期待的那种对上帝的忠贞。但如果你们身上有任何有违上帝意旨
的异端,我也将尽我所能,加以化解。上帝使你们生为他大家庭中的仆人,让上帝通过
你们的服务感受到你们的虔诚,这将是你们由衷的幸福。你们被称作牧羊人,有鉴于此
,你们不应当做为金钱的佣人,而应该做一个时刻手握牧杖的真正的牧羊人,不要偷懒
,而要从所有的方面保护你的羊群。如果你玩忽职守漫不经心,导致狼叼走了你羊群中
的任何一只羊,那么毫无疑问你将失去上帝许给你的奖赏。及后,你只能在地狱里追悔
莫及地试图擦去你的污点。
福音书上说:“你们是世上的盐。盐若失了味、怎能叫它再咸呢。以后无用、不过... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********o 发帖数: 1334 | 4 :如果第五世纪就定了下来,我们现在还有什么必要疑问呢
这是一个非常错误的理由。信经不是圣经。如果有你这种想法的话,马丁路德就不会改
教了。并且,定下来的是神人二性,并没有说不信的就不能得救。再说一遍,确定神人
二性的教义和确定不信此教义的不能得救是有区别的。
人子的最重要的旧约出处在以赛亚书7章,这是弥赛亚的一个荣耀的头衔,不可以顾名
思义解释为耶稣的人性,更多地是说明他的神性。
一些关于耶稣神人二性的争议非常细微,比如一种被迦克墩大公会议拒绝的意见叫做
Miaphysitism,它的意见是
http://www.theopedia.com/Two_natures_of_Jesus
After the Union, Christ was no longer in two natures. The two natures became
united into one nature without separation, without confusion and without
change. Thus He was at the same tithe perfect God and p |
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C****i 发帖数: 1776 | 5 CHAPTER XVI
Of Good Works
I. Good works are only such as God hath commanded in his holy Word,[306] and
not such as, without the warrant thereof, are devised by men, out of blind
zeal, or upon any pretense of good intention.[307]
II. These good works, done in obedience to God’s commandments, are the frui
ts and evidences of a true and lively faith:[308] and by them believers mani
fest their thankfulness,[309] strengthen their assurance,[310] edify their b
rethren,[311] adorn the profession of the... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 6 Chapter 2.4 The Divine Way of Deliverance
God clearly intends that this consideration should lead to our practical
deliverance from sin. Paul makes this quite plain when he opens chapter 6 of
his letter with the question: “Shall we continue in sin?” His whole being
recoils at the very suggestion. “God forbid!”, he exclaims. How could a
holy God be satisfied to have unholy, sin-fettered children? And so “how
shall we any longer live therein?” (Romans 6:1, 2). God has surely
therefore made adequat... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 7 Chapter 2.4 The Divine Way of Deliverance
God clearly intends that this consideration should lead to our practical
deliverance from sin. Paul makes this quite plain when he opens chapter 6 of
his letter with the question: “Shall we continue in sin?” His whole being
recoils at the very suggestion. “God forbid!”, he exclaims. How could a
holy God be satisfied to have unholy, sin-fettered children? And so “how
shall we any longer live therein?” (Romans 6:1, 2). God has surely
therefore made adequat... 阅读全帖 |
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G*******s 发帖数: 4956 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: Belief
标 题: Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 18 21:54:10 2011, 美东)
Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
by Matt Slick
There's a lot of discussion about Mormon beliefs. So, in order to make this
easy, I will list out what Mormonism actually teaches. These are not sensati
onalized, and inaccurate statements.
Following documentation from Mormon authors. Finally, please understand tha
t the Mormon Church uses Christian t... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 9 。。们
Before the Common Era
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Simon of Peraea (c. 4 BCE), a former slave of Herod the Great, who
rebelled and was killed by the Romans.
Athronges (c. 4-2? BCE), a shepherd turned rebel leader of a rebellion
with his four brothers against Herod Archelaus and the Romans after
proclaiming himself the Messiah. He and his brothers were eventually
defeated.
1st century
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Jesus (ca. 4 BCE - 30 CE), in Galilee and the Roman province of Judea.
Jews who believed him to be the... 阅读全帖 |
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 10 Yes,
United Church of Christ (which is Obama's denomination) allows all
charitable donations counted as tithing... no necessary to their
denomination directly. |
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s*********t 发帖数: 4253 | 13 本来就是量力而行啊!
教会一些人处理事情有事时候是人为的因素。听好。。人为的因素。
捐钱和信主本来就是两码事。虽然圣经有提起tithe但不是mandatory。
你如果不想,就不用给。如果有一位教友强迫要求如此做,那是这人有问题,
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s*********t 发帖数: 4253 | 14 你这样说就不对了。上帝更本不在乎钱,他是看人心的。
圣经的话是永恒的,这些tithe也不是用来故意为难人。人类的政府有好的也有腐败的(
納粹黨,赤柬。。)。 |
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o***1 发帖数: 592 | 18 If one or more of the Christianities is true, why do Christian scholars
waste their time writing book-length critiques when they could just show the
evidence of answered prayers making Christian's lives demonstrably better
than the lives of non-Christians, especially us blatantly god-denying
atheists?
Chrisitanity is true, right? Every day Christians make millions of answered
prayer claims, so why not just produce this huge volume of evidence which,
if Christian stuff is true, must clearly delin... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 19 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/24/bible-system-updat
For optimal system performance, update your Bible as often as possible.
VERSION 1.0: Original release. Heavens, Earth, formless void.
1.1 Improved visuals with “Light” expansion pack. Replaces “darkness.”
1.2 “Land Animal” expansion pack: zebras, mice. “Fish” expansion pack:
eels.
1.3 “Object” expansion pack: tools, human female.
1.4 First-generation Apple product added to Garden of Eden interface.
1.5 “Human Condition” expansion pa... 阅读全帖 |
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z********o 发帖数: 18304 | 20 给你普及点常识:
基们通常更喜欢“新约”,但是唯独讲“奉献”的时候避开“新约”不谈讲“旧约”。
为什么呢?因为“旧约”只要求“奉献”收入的10%。而“新约”里面耶稣彻底要求基
们不要存钱!请看旧帖:
大家知道基督教有个“十一奉献”,意思是基督徒们要把收入的十分之一交出来。实际
上,“十一奉献”是“旧约”的说法。“新约”里面耶稣要求基督徒们根本不要存钱!
耶稣说: “不要为自己积攒财宝在地上,地上有虫子咬,能锈坏,也有贼挖窟窿来偷
。只要积攒财宝在天上,天上没有虫子咬,不能锈坏,也没有贼挖窟窿来偷。因为你的
财宝在那里,你的心也在那里。” ------ 很明显,耶稣是不赞成基们存钱的。
为了避免基们故意曲解他的意思,耶稣又进一步阐述:“所以我告诉你们,不要为生命
忧虑,吃什么,喝什么。为身体忧虑,穿什么。生命不胜于饮食麽,身体不胜于衣裳麽
。你们看那天上的飞鸟,也不种,也不收,也不积蓄在仓里,你们的天父尚且养活他。
你们不比飞鸟贵重得多麽。”
基们,“你们看那天上的飞鸟,也不种,也不收,也不积蓄在仓里,你们的天父尚且养
活他。你们不比飞鸟贵重得多麽。”,你们还要存钱干什么???
综合起来... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******u 发帖数: 640 | 21 你丫的不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸不要脸,不要脸十
年! |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 22 Keep cool, just ignore it. |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 24 这里不是个研究讨论的地方。
建个google group一起讨论吧。 |
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z********o 发帖数: 18304 | 25
你这样满地打滚有意思吗?
我对基督教的批判,逻辑严谨,证据清楚,欢迎反驳! |
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c*******u 发帖数: 640 | 26 你满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满地打滚满
地打滚,满地打滚十年! |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 28 信上帝,只是说说很简单,但是要拿出收入的十分之一,这个我目前做不到。
我必须搞清楚这笔钱怎么用了,这个教会从中得到了什么具体的益处,才有可能奉献。
当然本人目前也不是基督徒,很重要的原因就是十一奉献没有想明白。 |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 29 研究基督的必须先搞清楚教堂是怎么盖起来的。
如果这个不清楚,就很难理解耶稣的很多规矩。 |
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c*******u 发帖数: 640 | 30 你读读圣经上说的。。。就有答案了
信就是信,不用理由 |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 31 信和交钱是两回事。
我知道很多人包括美国人和中国人,去教堂是为了占便宜的。
当然教堂肯定是真正交什一奉献的人撑着的。 |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 32 所以教会里至少有这两种人,一种人帮助别人,一种人被别人帮助。
我看中的是帮助别人的这类人,因为我的生活状态不需要被帮助,我学习如何放开自己
去帮助别人,哪怕帮助的这人并不感激你,甚至愤怒你比他生活好。 |
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c*******u 发帖数: 640 | 33 你这样看人一定会失望的,你要看神,别的先不跟你说了,成长是一生的过程,没钱想
钱,真有钱了就是责任,你没到那一步,想太多没用 |
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j*****h 发帖数: 252 | 34 我给这位Marketwatch朋友略略讲下自己的经历,不一定有用,希望有其他弟兄姐妹能
补充。
粗略的讲,十一奉献是将自己收入的十分之一献给神,给神的国用。比如教会的开支,
支持牧养教会牧师,支持宣教士等等。
我做学生的时候,觉得拿出奖学金来做十一奉献,实在很难。即使偶尔奉献,会心里念
很久。记得和带领我的姐妹分享时,她安慰我说,凭着信心奉献就好,把自己准备好了
再奉献。
我的确是在慢慢学习奉献的功课,从20块,100快,到现在的十一奉献。随着信心增长
,十一奉献也慢慢增长。也渐渐明白,能放下对金钱奉献的挂念,学会奉献自己的生命
,是在十一奉献里学到的比金钱更重要的功课。比如时间,每天花30分钟给神,用来读
经祷告,和神在一起;比如早一点去教会去摆好椅子准备敬拜;比如带主日学的小孩子
。我并不是要说什么好人好事,以前觉得这些事情我也做,是怀着做好人好事的心态去
做。现在呢,真的是怀着奉献的心去做,希望把自己的时间和生命都奉献给神用。
这是我自己从个人经历里浅薄的理解。希望能对你关于十一奉献的困惑有帮助,还希望
不要绊倒你寻求神的心。
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c*******u 发帖数: 640 | 37 奉献完全是自愿的,有一次我去一个教会,年初,大厅墙上贴的几张纸,详细列出捐款
的会员编号及钱数,我是一眼带过没放在心上,别人怎么看?怎么想?怎么说?我不知
道也不关心,我们通过经历而成长,钱,你要善用 |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 38 你怎么解释只要你开心就行。
我的目标是搞清楚教会统治阶层的运作方式。 |
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m*********h 发帖数: 5449 | 39 关于什一奉献,我觉得jacinth的解答很符合我对人性规律的理解,简单说就是从小做
起,慢慢积累信心。这也是做很多事情包括学习工作人际交往的方式。这个问题终有了
眉目,请给我点时间去实践。
其实还有很多关于上帝的问题,其中引导我探索上帝的一个问题是这样的:
***我们都知道计算机可以在比较模糊的层面上模拟现实,电脑游戏其实就是模拟一个
世界,什么魔兽世界、英雄联盟什么的。
那么,我们怎么知道,我们是不是生活在一个超级巨型电脑里,我们的物理世界和精神
世界,其实都是被电脑程序模拟出来的,我们的自我意识,其实也是电脑程序实现的一
种特性而已?***
请问有没有朋友想过这个问题?虔诚求教!
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发信人: jacinth (jacinth), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: 研究一下Tithe
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 20 20:13:53 2015, 美东)
我给这位Marketwatch朋友略略讲下自己的经历,不一定有用,希望有其他弟兄姐妹能
补充... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 40 A Georgia woman who’s been a member of the same church for over 50 years
says she is no longer welcome in her house of worship.
Ninety-two-year-old Josephine King told Fox6 she received a letter from her
church indicating that she should no longer attend because she wasn’t
tithing.
Speaking with WALB, King’s nephew Gerald Simmons said:
“She was stunned. She was disappointed. She was shocked.
You shouldn’t chase the individuals down. You shouldn’t do that. If that’
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发帖数: 1 | 42 Christian vs Buddhism.
------How Christian Defines Poverty ------
Spirit of poverty is a spirit of Satan. It is a spirit that uses poverty to
steal kill and destroy.
Having worldly materials, riches and wealthy does not mean you are rich –
instead all worldly materials are vanities.
You may have worldly riches but be poor – have the spirit of poverty
A person may be lacking worldly riches but be rich – not have the spirit of
poverty.
Jesus lacked worldly riches when He was on earth (Mt 8:20) but... 阅读全帖 |
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J********y 发帖数: 263 | 43 美国华人最近几年日益注意到华人维权的重要性。 鸡毛(Jimmy Kimmel) “杀光中国人
”和加州的SCA5试图搞种族名额教育制都引起华人的很大关注。 问题是这种热情还没
有常态化。还没有做到持之以恒的从自己做起,有人出人,有钱出钱。 导致现有的华
人维权组织都难以维持。 80-20 Initiative 的S.B. Woo 已经做志愿者为北美华人维
权十几年。 他现在年高要退休,却找不到愿意接替的人。想筹点款来雇个职业
lobbyist也进展缓慢。 看看下面S.B. Woo的passionate email, 你就知道我们面临的
窘困局面。
80-20 Is Dying
Most Asian Am wish to have Jewish community's political clout.
Most Asian Americans overlook that
(1) AIPAC has a $67 million per year budget as opposed to 80-20's $
100,000 - a difference of... 阅读全帖 |
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