f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 hand 1, MP limping with TJo is not good, i'd fold TJo here or 3-4x with TJs.
TJo is a very weak hand for 46BB short stack, you may have to fold to a lot
of raises from LP or hit nothing on the flop or hit trouble flops like Txx
or Jxx. you should only play such speculative hands when deep and in
position. a trouble hand got its name for a reason.
on the flop, you can go nowhere. actually, i don't like TT guys preflop
limping either, but he got position. check fold turn is a disaster after
invest... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 2 难道又是超级悲剧的一天
1 4.5k gtd 1r/1a 11 + 10 + 10
2 3k gtd 1a 60 + 55
3 4k gtd turbo 44
4 7.5k gtd 11
5 2.5k gtd 1a 11 + 10
晚上8pm，internet 开始抽筋，果断de-register第六场，试图借邻居的网络完成剩下
的比赛，不想，laptop运行poker软件又碰到问题，折腾到了9点，internet自动恢复，
哥一边问候comcast一边打开poker软件，
3号已经挂了
1号<10bb, 果断shove，挂
2号，尼玛120刀的买入啊！哥断线的时候是10k的chips，回来只有4.8k，且盲注400，
第二手哥小盲，44果断3bet shove utg chips leader的2bb open。对手tank and fold
，嘟嘟哝哝说kq，30% equity都没有，真把哥当rock了。紧接着下一把，哥button
with k5o，15bb stack，ope... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 no, this one is not slow play.
90% of time, the 99 guy wouldn't fold. in his eyes, you didn't raise pre-
flop, so unlikely you have QQ, KK.
then TJo was the only hand that beat him, you may play KQ/Q9/K9 like the
same way...
even you had TJo, he still had plenty of outs.
few ppl can fold a flopped set.
nothing |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 1 3K 1R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
2 3K 1R/1A 60 + 55 + 55
3 2K 22
4 3K Turbo 1R/1A 44 + 40
5 4K R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
6 4.5K 33
哥觉得自己是属青蛙的：
1号，11bb a5o在UTG推没人接。k9o，小盲位3bet shove 11bb，CL kq call，挂
3 号，庄家位15bb AQo 3bb open，小盲flat，flop 84Jr cbet ½/call了小盲位
橙色玩家的raise shove，对方亮出 83s and hold（好吧），挂
6 号，AKo 4bet shove to 50bb jj，输到只剩10bb。大盲位用a4o 9bb squeeze 一个
松哥ep 2bb的open以及后面一群松哥flat的4-way的pot，庄家位平call/reshove with
ATs，CO玩家，用... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 no, this one is not slow play.
90% of time, the 99 guy wouldn't fold. in his eyes, you didn't raise pre-
flop, so unlikely you have QQ, KK.
then TJo was the only hand that beat him, you may play KQ/Q9/K9 like the
same way...
even you had TJo, he still had plenty of outs.
few ppl can fold a flopped set.
nothing |
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H*********n
发帖数: 1397 | 7 他筹码只是略微低于average。TJo就shovel了，呵呵。 他raise, 你re-raise, 然后他
就shovel了？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 1/2NL, only played for 4 hours, won almost every $50+ pot (except 2) i was
in, called small-medium (~$100) all-ins from somebody at least 7, 8 times,
all won ... some ppl were just on tilt and lost control.
turned $200 into $1800+, luck level was about 70%.
first hand sit down, got $300, TJo, floped T, .... pushed by BB's AA all the
way till rivered J, another guy was in too for no reason.
no AAs, but 3 KKs, pushed very hard, and all won.
QQ won once, folded once (after folding, turn was another |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 you got me confused, JJ had TJo, right? then with a board of QT689, he did
get a stragiht ya! |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 showdown:
SB: Kd2d for a busted flush draw.
UTG: Q9o for a lower straight.
UTG+1: TJo for two pair
max: takes everything $1600+. |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 11 靠。。
丫太loose了。。。
要不就是太aggressive。。。
TJo都call。。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 during this AC trip.
1) TJo at cutoff. a few limpers, raised to standard $12, got 2 callers, 1
button (new player, short stack, ~$100), one deep guy ($500).
missed flop totally: Q85 rainbow.
checked to me, well, standard continuation bet $25, button called smoothly (
not sure about his style at all, but smelt he's a beginner and might hold a
weak Q or small PP). deep guy gave me credit and folded.
turn: K, now i did have a nice draw, and since guys at this table almost
played any Ax, now it look |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 The way he played is awesome.
A lot of ppl(usually high buyin fellows) repops him. Almost 30% chance he
get repoped, then he use 4bets(almost 50% chance, the 4bet could be very
very light, of course the 3bet(might be 27o) also very very light) to
resteal it.
The stack is very deep, hard to allin. If you are short, then allin very
easily. One guy(high buyin buddy) allin him with k9s and wins, and he calls,
show tjo. But if you have 20+bb deep, he raises to 2.3BB, hard to allin, if
you 3bet him, h |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 how much was his all-in?
as a donk, i feel it's a little suspicious he had TJ.
1) pre-flop, anything could happen for that $7 call, not much info.;
2) flop, 22 was defintely at the high end of possible range, and $18 was
good. it looked more like a Kx hand;
3) checking here when ace showed up matched the previous flop action for a
Kx hand;
4) to him, $48 into $56 pot was more like a "do-not-want-to-get-called" bet.
i doubt he would check twice with TJo, after all, you checked when ace
showed up |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 yep, KKRUN doesn't look like Qx at all, but the other guy doesn't have 6
either i guess on QQ6 flop, otherwise he would snap call like the final hand
, same for small PP.
he doesn't have anything, naked KTo, TJo alike.
the biggest mistake he makes is when KKRUN is still deep and 5 ppl in the
game, he calls KKRUN's A9o over shove pre-flop for his 50% stack with
donimated T9! and easily gives up his big chip lead.
then he got lucky against others and has 5:1 lead in HU... i know he'd lose
patience |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 16 When 2 ppl left, button(K9o) raises, BB(790) calls, flop A 6 2, BB checks, button continuation bets, BB check raises, button re-raise with air, BB folds.
Button is the same guy who KO belowabove.
The last hand is button(kto) raise, BB(tjo) calls, flop k55, BB donkey lead, button reraises, BB shove it in, button calls allin.
So, it is so hard to play out of position, sometimes, I fold small pairs vs button raises, it has no value to hit a set.
By the way, the button have won 6th on WCOOP main eve |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 well, i guess it has a few problems:
1) if you have KK at UTG, limping is not good since ppl tend to play Ax a
lot. if flop comes Axx (~28% chance), who do you do then? you might bet or
check/call one barrel, then what? no matter you/they check down or fold, you
're already paying the same or a higher price (than pre-flop raising), with
more risks and less reward involved;
2) even no ace on the flop, you still only have an over pair, limping would
"invite" a lot of other hands like 8s9s, 77, TJo |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 yes, very accurate, it's based on math calculations.
of course 33 is a better hand PREFLOP than AKs (in HU or 单挑), about 53:47
(or so called "coin flip"). 33 is a made hand, AKs is a drawing hand (to a
pair, str8, flush...).
in more handed situations, of course the winning rate will change, for
example, 33 vs. AKs vs. TT, 33 now becomes a big underdog to TT, has to
catch something (another 3 or 1 card straight/flush...). even in 33 vs. AKs
vs. TJo, now 33 has to dodge 4 over cards plus possible |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 19 感觉turn上有问题，不知道怎么办更好。2/5 game，with 230 stack
我mp limp in with TJo。 4 players。
flop 6TJ， two spades。 我先说话，check，后面一家check，btn bet了25.
我reraise 到75. 我后面一家嘀嘀咕咕半天call 了75. btn fold。
这厮刚上桌，不知道什么风格。 turn来了一张小黑桃。
我想了几秒钟，all in。他又嘀嘀咕咕半天，call了。
river 6. 我是top two pair。 他show了 TT，full house。
turn上应该check fold？ 我flop被call感觉就不太好，但是他没reraise all in，
说明想trap btn，还是说装flush draw？
另外，大家对于TT，JJ，QQ这种pocket pair 遇到3bet 如何处理，2/5 live game。
我有300的stack。有一家raise到15，另外一家raise到55. 我JJ在手，想了半天fold了。
original raiser call 4... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 i feel the whole poker player pool is just drying out, even worse than 2
years ago (let alone pre UIGEA):
1) the deposit/withdrawal is still a big hassle after they stoppped u.s.
credit card processing, and FBI is catching their e-check middle processors.
after all, u.s. is still the #1 donk pool, far ahead of others;
2) the remaining players are either getting better or busted forever. like
the TJo guy with your AA, yes, he may have done that before, and did it
again this time. but do you reall... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 靠，别提了，几个大点的pot全栽了，read全对，结果全错，让同一个reg但是明显在
tilt胡打的给sucked out。
AJs limped UTG, he directly shoved low 50BB or so (he did this a few times
already), another short guy called and was all-in too. i never limp called
with AJs in the spot before but was so natural this time. YES, he got TJo
and the other guy 89o. he sucked me with a T, and the other guy hit river
gutshot str8.
TT 4 bet shoved pre against him, he snap called with 66 (80BB), i rivered
str8 and he hit 4 card flush with 6h, damn. the oth... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 22 這個image倒不是我自己覺得的,是看別人的反應。比如我看了下我最近的KK,連輸了11
個大pot (full stack all in)
1. 我回貼中的那個例子，ATs out of position called my 3-bet, raised my big
bet and then called my all in with flush draw on flop.
2. 3-bet my UTG raise with 88 at BB, and then called my all in preflop.
3. 4-bet my 3-bet and called my all in with AQs preflop
4. 4-bet my 3-bet and called my all in with JJ preflop
5. 原貼中的example 2, called my 3-bet with TJo and raised my bet with a
gutter straight draw.
6. example 3, called my raise with 64... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****n
发帖数: 114 | 23 MTT后期剩两桌共11人，8人钱圈
Hero那一桌6人，有1人剩不到1BB，
Hero BB位TJo剩5.5BB，所有人fold到SB，SB是chip leader 20BB+，blind raise到2BB
锅里有3.5BB（0.5BB Ante)
Hero该fold/call/shove？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 24 虽然前面还有一个1bb的超短筹，但是除去他，你还是排名在钱圈之外，加上你自己也
已经是超短筹了，哥相信在这里commit是＋ev。
假设对手比较solid，在这里用top 20％的牌来min raise
poker stove： tjo 对上 top 20％有35％的equity。何况pot里已经有了3.5bb。用4.
5bb去赢12.5bb的pot，至少哥不会犹豫。
当然，如果对手是紧b，用5％的hand（99+、ajs+）在这里min raise，你仍然有接近30
％的equity在这里。
plus，你如果是被磨到5.5bb的话，那你的image是相当的好，对手又是chips leader，
很可能用更宽的range来steal你，当然这里基本上对上你的shove，对手没有fold
equity。 |
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l*****n
发帖数: 114 | 25 桌上还有几个短筹，我感觉all in是-ev的，
但要我直接fold实在是心有不甘，于是call了看flop，
flop发出Ad8d9d，我TJo没有d，对手shove，我更加纠结 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 26 打 2/5 Running bad. fish call $130 3-bet with TJo to my QQs. Each have
500ish stack.
Flop Q A 5 rainbow, I bet only 100, he call, turn 7. I shove the last $250,
acting like I have KK or sth (I put him on a weak A). he tanked and called,
river K.
For some reason, it is very hard for me to win money in Foxwoods. LOL. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 27 我靠，你这 MM 老师简直就是一个 BSO station。 任何时间，任何 position 都要
BSO。
事实上我这两手牌都输了
hand 1， 白男 show TJo， with trip Js。 韩国哥 A7 spades for nut flush! 尼玛
，这牌 hero total miss read 韩国哥。 韩国哥 tank call 的样子，让我以为他只有
一个 pair。
hand 2， 白老太 show Q 9， 她 river 3 outer me for full house. 这日子真不是
人过的，还只是 river call 我的 raise， 让 hero 还很得意 show K9 first，以为
pot 已经是自己的了 。结果 hero 完全傻眼。不过，白老太的 call 就是所谓的
river miss value，it will be a touch lay down for me if she re-raise me all-
in , 尽管我想我还是会 fold. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 28 跟 villain 以前只同桌过一次，应该是一个 average tight 的 player。只有两副牌
有印象，一副是他拿了 quads，一路 check call，把一个 aggro 给 stack 了，属于
monster 的标准打法。另一副牌他 heavy bet a Q J 9 flop ，然后 fold to 400
raise，他摊出来 AA，人家 show 34s。
这次同桌，看了他几首牌：
1. 他 call 3 bet 很 loose，几乎大多数情况都会 call
2. 打法有些 tricky，而且一个很大的特点是喜欢 OOP bet into raiser。 因为几乎
没有 showdown，所以我不知道他 bet into raiser 的牌力如何。只好根据我以前经验
，即 bet into raiser 的牌力一般都是中等偏下，monster 的可能性比较低。
3. 有 bluff，看到他一副牌 river bluff 200 on missed draw，给人抓了。
在这之前刚跟他打了一副牌，7 8 T x T 的 board，我 A 7 nut flus... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 29 You have 16bb, TJo early position, standard fold preflop. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 1/2NL, only played for 4 hours, won almost every $50+ pot (except 2) i was
in, called small-medium (~$100) all-ins from somebody at least 7, 8 times,
all won ... some ppl were just on tilt and lost control.
turned $200 into $1800+, luck level was about 70%.
first hand sit down, got $300, TJo, floped T, .... pushed by BB's AA all the
way till rivered J, another guy was in too for no reason.
no AAs, but 3 KKs, pushed very hard, and all won.
QQ won once, folded once (after folding, turn was another |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 you got me confused, JJ had TJo, right? then with a board of QT689, he did
get a stragiht ya! |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 showdown:
SB: Kd2d for a busted flush draw.
UTG: Q9o for a lower straight.
UTG+1: TJo for two pair
max: takes everything $1600+. |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 34 靠。。
丫太loose了。。。
要不就是太aggressive。。。
TJo都call。。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 35 during this AC trip.
1) TJo at cutoff. a few limpers, raised to standard $12, got 2 callers, 1
button (new player, short stack, ~$100), one deep guy ($500).
missed flop totally: Q85 rainbow.
checked to me, well, standard continuation bet $25, button called smoothly (
not sure about his style at all, but smelt he's a beginner and might hold a
weak Q or small PP). deep guy gave me credit and folded.
turn: K, now i did have a nice draw, and since guys at this table almost
played any Ax, now it look |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 pre-flop是什么状况？你AQ raise了没？
如果是个limped pot，你的flop打法有问题，你这个基本上是个pot builder，EP很有
可能跟(已经放了$20)，而你是MP，后面还有人，odds越来越好...
turn上这个bet也是鸡肋一般，$50，4个人，pot $200+，这个50可以说一点意义没有。
你只有check(如果你很在乎剩下的$150) or shove(preferred)。shove在于，如果他
flop or turn a set或者TJo turned straight而装傻，你是几乎肯定要输掉剩下$100
的，river是什么已经无所谓。如果他是那种死心眼要draw flush的，你是至少4：1的
big favorite，这里shove是绝对EV+的打法。 |
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