w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 I'm still on hold with them. The fist lady I talked was super nice, but had
me so tilted. She was like "Oh, you had three of a kind, very nice!" I'm
like wtf!?!?! She said she has never seen this before, and is talking to a
supervisor now.
Rob |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 Ok....so the lady just apoligized to me like 100 times, and said she can
only credit me $2300 right now, and will credit the rest in a few hours. I
just checked, and its in there. This whole thing is so strange.
btw the hand history number is 1162170993. I just watched the hand on table
ratings replayer, and in the river, it shows my cards, does not flip his
cards over....then says winner above his name and ships him the pot.
During the game i was so confused as to what happened. Im not sure exa |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 no, if such a winner feels being manipulated, he can freely choose to play
at another site and the competition right now is very high. i'm not saying
all sites are good (and i do believe some do cheating for profits), but for
those major sites like FT and PS, this doesn't look likely.
also, with so many statistics software running/monitoring outside of the
sites, there's not much "secret" a site can hide, and it's actually how "
riorio" on UB got caught by the poker community.
some players are m |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 I guess if you narrow your opponent, it is true for both online and live.
I guess anyone can analyze phil hellmuth's hand history.
And online good players play the same tourneies every day, such as those
100Rebuy, or 75k garantee, ub 1k. those ppl know each other very well.
And this is another reason why PS and FTP do not allow you to play other ppl
's id, or using multiple ids.
he
of
much |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 5 ab不是出过问题吗，不想注册，你的cake和ub是在哪儿办的rakeback？
有什么推荐的网站没？
player
> |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 actually cada is very good at HU cash games.
he deposited $600 at UB, and ran that to $300K just over a month, yeah, a
month. |
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p**h
发帖数: 737 | 7 FTP也有参赛卷吗？
我在想注册ftp或ub,不知哪个好？
ps没有rakeback,不爽。rakeback是自动加给账号还是自己要申请？
谢谢。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 基本都有，PS的最多而已。
每年5，6月间最热闹，因为7月开赛。
还是那句话，参赛卷不重要，其实都是凑一万美金+差旅费。
建议FTP，因为人气高，两者是5：1的差距，而且UB的作弊名声有点臭(当然，不涉及咱
们小玩家)。
如何申请FTP的rakeback:
http://www.rakebackpros.com/signup/
参见页面最下面的指示。 |
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k******t
发帖数: 257 | 9 Most casinos got high hand bonus but they are in off hours. I did not get a
penny
on royal flush at weekend. UB used to have hourly highand pays 100s-1000s
based on stake, I got the bonus even with As full at 3am when few people
playing. Good strategy to get traffic on light hours.Now this site is
totally screwed by cheating. Last time I checked it got game "scissor-stone-
cloth", how bored is a person to play this against computer? It's really
amazing.
high |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 11 I didn't put more money into UB to start with because I was just trying to
play around a little bit there when I am bored, and with past performance of
the site, I didn't feel too comfortable depositing 10k+ without knowing how
safe the site is and how good the cash out process is over there.
This blog was not for showing proper bankroll management for an normal
player coming up the rank. It was more to show that there are enough skill
involved in the game to take a small roll into a decent si |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 12 huh? buyin for 50nl is $50. Actually on UB, you can buyin 200bb deep but I
am usually buyin for 100bb at the moment to lower variance. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 13 the key is to prey a lot, plz, plz, god plz let me win... lol
seriously though, I ran good this month (+6k in ev, only +200 on UB though,
not sure what you mean by 1k+), but I am still running -15k in ev this year.
Just part of the game, nothing you can do but playing through it. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 14 明天去vegas， 5月终于结束了， 总的来说就是一个字， 忙， 这个月除了打牌以外还
做了很多其它的事情， 除了私人的一些事， 从为新的训练网站做准备（做录像， 写
文章， 开会。。）到做IT咨询 （写程序， 写文件， 居然还要开会）， 再加上前段
时间提到的在UB上存了1000块的一个小挑战 （现在到了3300了）， 要不是因为跟朋友
打赌说要玩到45000手牌， 绝对玩不到40000手牌。 对了， 我和几个朋友准备的新的
网站最近会找一些中级的教练， 有兴趣的朋友可以和我联系。 而且开张以前我们会
有些活动， 我们中间sng， cash， mtt的高手都有， 可能会有一些免费教练的机会，
应该是很不错的价值， 我们平时的教练都是至少150-200刀每小时的， 具体的细节还
没有想清楚， 从vegas回来大家再讨论一下。
这个月cash的成绩: +53k
比赛上， 一共就玩了5个比赛，但都是比较高买入的， 包括wcoop的比赛和WSOP 的
satellite， 输了大概3000. 一个cash都没有， 实在是不爽
情绪控制上，这个月上半个月tilt很多次， 不过还好基本 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 well, you can do google research. i remember seeing some ppl scanned
millions of hands from sites like FTP, PS, AB, etc, and none of them seems
like the way you mentioned (FTP flops high cards too way often). this is how
they caught a few cheaters on AB and UB too, since their winning rates were
way off.
PS recently provided about 20M hands to a cornell grad student for his
reseach, and FTP did something like this too (mentioned in the book "poker
winners are different"), they have nothing to hi |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 靠，在那才100多块钱也被人嘲弄，俺买20磅豆腐撞死得了。
不过carbon要是数据没有作假的话，现在高峰能有5，6000在线选手，比其他小网站强
多了，比如cake network(俺有时也玩玩doylesroom)，还是N家合起来的player pool，
往往才2000多人。
目前人气前几名应该是：PS > FTP > AB > UB > carbon > 其他垃圾。Party不知道怎
么样。以前俺desktop上有30几个poker room，装着好玩的，后来重装系统全废了，现
在清爽多了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 哈哈，你不要笑哈，你肯定搞错了，俺们这里说100NL，实际上就是0.5/1NL，和你的是
一个stake，因为一般是100BB buy-in max，所以简称100NL。同理，200NL。
俺目前才玩50NL，比你的还小，其他几个人主要玩100NL或者25NL的，玩200NL的常客好
像还没有。
不过这里的人主要都是在FTP上玩RUSH poker，非常快速，1张桌子相当于4，5张其他正
常桌子同时打吧，所以一天3，4个小时下来，2张桌子，1000，2000把以上家常便饭。
对了，你能否帮俺们版写个关于UB的简介性东西(一些FAQ类问题)，类似置顶的俺写的
那个FTP入门，这样帮助俺们丰富版面内容，多谢。
此外，经常来灌水。
了。 |
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f*****t
发帖数: 106 | 19 终于明白了，多谢版主，看来多问是有好处的啊，之前每次看大家说什么100nl，我都
大气不敢出。。。。
有时间再写些ub的简介吧。。最近忙着打牌：）
一定多来灌水，与大家多交流。
祝大家多多发财！ |
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f*****t
发帖数: 106 | 20 比如我比较倾向于坐在左下角，怎么办呢？好像每次位子都是随机的。
这点我喜欢ub,位子总是以你的视角为主的。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 PS人最多，经常是比FTP多50%的样子。
PS好像在欧洲比FTP流行，在美国据说接收了大批以前Party Poker的牌友(纯粹时机问
题)，以前其实是Party Poker最火。
至于界面，俺个人也觉得确实是FTP的最干净整洁又不枯燥，俺大概在7，8个站点玩过
，包括你的UB，还在其他10几个站点旁观过(俺最多时desktop上有30个站点)。其他的
有的也还可以，甚至很fancy，比如carbon，但是总的说来乱，或者不实用，比如
victory poker。
不过这只是小问题，打几千手就哪都习惯了。
对了，你PS的位子问题解决了吗？最差情况你右击某位子，"Sit Here"，也可以啊？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 me? i hate their UI and i totally forgot about my account there (user name,
email used, etc.) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 no, you're soooo unlucky, this is a bad beat hand, man! if this happened on
AB or UB, you'd win at least 100K as the winner, loser gets $200K... their
bad beat jackpot is over $400K now. but...
never mind, they raised their minimum losing hand to be quad 8s, hehe. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 Just checked. FTP has US players on it.
kungfu-poker says no US player on PS now.
Never play on UB before. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 25 The thing about those poker sites are fund security.
Heard news about Absolute poker / UB that players' fund on these websites
will probably never gets refunded. They even refused to reach deal with FBI
and continued to suck money from US deposit. Players contacted them for fund
info and they are getting ignored. FBI right now suing Absolute poker for
millions of dollars and there are no way the site can offer to pay the money
back.
So even the third largest site handles money like that, imagine... 阅读全帖 |
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k******t
发帖数: 257 | 26
FBI
fund
money
US players still can play at UB. Just played last night there. It gave $50
real money since I left the site for a while. It even let developers code a
useless rabbit-hunting feature, nothing is easy to make money. I used to
think it's money-cow to own a online poker site. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 FTP's past cashier history goes green by today. Maybe FTP will release a big
news soon.
FTP is a US based website, it relies on U.S. players too much. I find their
entry on tournaments drops dramatically. Their sng player's pool hits
greatly. It is very hard to fill up a 90 ppl 26$ buyin KO game now.
However, PS is more toward Euro players, it recovers quickly.
FTP hurts badly in this crisis. Plus, more and more ppl will go to play on
PS later on.
I do not know, maybe FTP and PS just take diff... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 28 yeah. This crisis may help PS actually, hehe.
big
their
UB/ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 at current time, all these small sites are like rats crossing street, making
survivals day by day.
AB/UB were like 20-30K before, so if merge gets to 10K, it's only about time
when it's their turn.
sometimes.
a |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 30 Anyone can play at AB/UB?
For MTT, Merge's traffic seems low.
making
time |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 31 终于露出本性了。号称是因为cannot make payment... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 32 我只有个freeroll的...我是一直觉得附带casino的room都有水分... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 phil hellmuth and annie duke left them 2 months before this crisis, and i
smelt something bad. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 35 sort of disappointed to know that we still have to wait more time to cash
out. But at least they are working on it. nothing like UB/AP.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers-5-5-a-1032702/
An update for US players:
We are continuing to work on facilitating the withdrawal of US Player funds.
It remains our top priority, and we do apologize for the delay.
I can announce that starting next week:
All T$ will be converted to real money on a 1:1 basis.
All Tournament Ticke... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 36 I do believe FTP is no better than UB,hehe |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 37 唯一在北美还有不差的player base的是Merge Network (RPM Poker, Carbon Poker,
Lock Poker, etc, 都是Merge的skin）
Bodog也还可以玩。domain被封了可是玩没关系（听说，我目前只在Merge玩）。
Merge cashout慢，可是还是拿得到钱。Play at your own risk though because you
never know when they'll get shutdown like PS/FTP/UB, etc. |
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H*********n
发帖数: 1397 | 38 我四五年前玩的，取钱很方便，比UB取钱快多了。 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 39 superuser 不是就让人发现了吗？
我记得Dwan在UB和某个superuser打了一天HU，输了十几万，然后他和他室友分析手牌
的时候，两个人一致认为对手作弊了。后来果然查出来是superuser。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 40 UB的superuser最初被发现和Dwan是无关的。Dwan虽然也是受害者之一，但是如果最初
那个superuser没有被发现，其他人根本想不到去查hand history。
最初被爆出来是一个superuser连赢一个牌手多次，而且吹牛说想赢他几次就赢他几次
。100%能赢他。然后这个牌手去查superuser的战绩，发现他都是赢，而且很短时间内
赢了很多钱，才爆出来。
从那以后，当其他牌手遇到不寻常的对手，才晓得去查对手战绩，hand history。
你可以去2+2考古。我是从揭发贴一出来就追踪的。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 如果有问题,早被发现了. 叫得响的, 基本上都是意识流,凭感觉说有问题,又不知道怎
么去发现. 有能力的人, 真分析了, 发现没问题,也就不说啥了. 结果就是满大街意识
流在那里叫唤.....
如果说网站作弊, 我更担心super user 可以看到我的底牌. 这种secruity breach 的
问题可能性大得多. UB/UP 也发生过了,而且,如果super user 打得聪明点,其实才是真
的很难看出来的, 或者根本看不出来. 那些小网站,这种可能性更大. 不得不说, 在
carbon,每次我碰到有些驴, 打得莫名其妙,赢了我几个大锅, 我都会长个心眼去看看他
的盈率,至今无例外,pokertablerating上基本都是"ice cold" 输几千那种. 最近,PTR
上不再track carbon了, 我其实不很爽, PTR这种网站的存在对扑克网站的监控度比任
何机构都要靠铺, 我们要相信群众的力量, 因为群众中虽然意识流居多,有能力发现猫
腻的牛人也不少. |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 42 First of all, Galfond palyed HUSNG exclusive for quite a long time to build
majority of his roll, but I'm not sure what games he played on UB.
Secondly, there are definitely a lot of ways to avoid getting caught playing
HUSNG in a limit sample size as a super user.
Imagine if I could see your hold cards in a HUSUG, I wouldn't use that
information to fold to your normal value bet. I would play "normally" most
of the time, but only by doing three things I could easily crush you and you
wouldn't re... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 43 lol, I'm talking about UB scandal. |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 44 For a big picture of whether online poker is rigged, my answer is NO.
I believe in this, because I have a cousin who has been very successful in
online poker. He built his roll through grinding and has been playing
nosebleed for years. If online poker is rigged, he wouldn't be nowhere.
I do believe that specific site like UB could cheat people. But it's not
easy to do it for a long time. Those larger sites are relatively clear in my
mind. Even that, it's more like superusers than rigged randomne... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 45 你的逻辑有很大漏洞。
比如一个美国人在没有受到抢劫，他能宣布中国没有抢劫吗？
或者一个体育明星可以说：我肯定体育界没有人吃兴奋剂，因为我就是没吃兴奋剂取得
成功的。
用你堂兄弟一个人的经历给整个网上poker下断言，违背基本逻辑。
你堂兄根本不可能知道网站有没有给他做手脚。
即使没给他做手脚，也不能因此断定这个网站其他几万人中没有被做手脚的。更不能断
定其他pokkerroom的人没有被做手脚。
网站作弊就必须是每个人，每个时间都做手脚吗？或者说如果不是这样，就可以判定网
站没作弊码？
网站做手脚可以（或者说更可能）是某些人某个时段，而其他人
都是正常的。或者有些网站没做，有些做。
UB的例子那个superuser根本就是肆无忌惮。最起码的伪装都不要，打完后直接对人家
说，再打多少盘你都是输。我100%能赢你。
my |
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d******g
发帖数: 550 | 46 另外赞一下china king 在UB 旁。很想以前的学校食堂。价廉物美。 |
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d******g
发帖数: 550 | 47 另外赞一下china king 在UB 旁。很想以前的学校食堂。价廉物美。 |
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l*0
发帖数: 73 | 48 大瀑布景区里面有几个可以玩的地方，maid of the mist, cave of the winds，水族
馆，3d电影院等等，goat island可以绕圈看看，最前面两个一般是必去的，其他看个
人兴趣爱好
大瀑布附近有赌场，开车往北到安大略湖边有个fort Niagara的历史景点，还可以看安
大略湖，算是有点意思
住的话一般是推荐住在Amherst，附近是UB，比城里安全，宾馆很多，吃饭很方便 |
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t***t
发帖数: 6066 | 49 UB的游戏是不都这毛病? 重复, boring |
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c********e
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