g***r 发帖数: 285 | 1
what you had was vasovagal syncope(or another name is neurocardiogenic
syncope),
syncope is a fancy term to describe the event of loss of consciousness, or
fainting, passing out,
regardless of mechanisms, the end result of syncope is transient diminished
perfusion of brain thus loss of consciousness,
vasovagal syncope is nearly always self limited and benign in nature, so i
wouldn't worry too much about it, |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 2 I am just curious about your low heart rate. Syncope(昏厥) has multiple
causes. Sound like you were treated as vasovagal syncope(血管迷走神经昏厥).
Study shows 50% syncope is from vasovagal; 35% are cardiogenic(Heart)and
the rest are from seizures, etc.
I do not like to use Florinef, beta blocker, or other medications for
syncope without clinical diagnostic tests. There is an autonomic nerve
testing which is able to tell the mechanism. In your case, if I am right,
your low heart rate appears to be vagal ... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****g 发帖数: 193 | 3 Dizziness/presyncope can be divided into cardiovasular source and non
cardiovascular source.Cardiovascular causes include heartblocks, dysrthymias
,aortic stenosis,cardiomyopathy,so on....
Noncardiovasuclar causes include vasovagal reflex failure, systemic
orthostatic hypotension and neurogenic orthostatic hypotension(OH)..
If you don't have cardiac history, go back to noncardiogenic reasons. As
your MD said, 10% of pts can't find causes at all with these symptoms.
Hotbath will cause vasodilatio... 阅读全帖 |
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p********3 发帖数: 5750 | 4 INTRODUCTION — The word "acupuncture" is derived from the Latin words "acus
" (needle) and "punctura" (penetration). Acupuncture originated in China
approximately 2000 years ago and is one of the oldest medical procedures in
the world.
Over its long history and dissemination, acupuncture has diversified and
encompasses a large array of styles and techniques. Common styles include
Traditional Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and French acupuncture,
as well as specialized forms such as hand,... 阅读全帖 |
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l****c 发帖数: 50 | 5 恩 现在神经科医生说是: Vasovagal syncope which is very common, requires no
treatment.
谢谢 |
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f******I 发帖数: 769 | 6
this is more of vasovagal/orthostatic type of reaction, |
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g***r 发帖数: 285 | 7
if it's for sure vasovagal syncope from micturition, there is nothing to
worry about, and nothing needs to be done, |
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g***r 发帖数: 285 | 8
if it always occurs during urination, then it's probably vasovagal,
when you look at syncope, always always try to differentiate between cardiac
vs. non-cardiac causes, because even though rare, cardiac syncope can be
fatal, |
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u***e 发帖数: 611 | 9 In a 37 yo previously healthy female, most likely it's vasovagal syncope.
get the tilt table test done.
If u r really confused after the syncope, it could be seizure. an EEG and
MRI may help. |
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l****7 发帖数: 148 | 10 i did the tilt table test, the result is positive, so heart doctor said i
have
vasovagal syncope. can anyone have these problem, and what kind medicine
does they take. because my doctor give me two medicine, one increase my
blood pressure, the other one is lower blood presure, my condition is: my
blood presure usually is 40-45(low) to 80-89(high). sometimes jump to 90-
102 that i feel uncomfortable.my heart rate is about 45-52.
also i had a medicine two days. it worked not well, i still have s... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****d 发帖数: 991 | 11 不要吓人家。
症状上看象是很常见的Vasovagal,即Common Fainting。自己查一下Google,治疗处理
关键是预防晕厥。 |
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 12 晕倒时有轻松感 is a curious description of the symptom. for vasovagal
syncope, if the pt remembers anything, it's the feeling of blood shortage
before blackout such as dizziness, tightness of the head or painful feeling
of the eyeballs.
anyway, there is no way to tell what was going on just by her description. |
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s*******2 发帖数: 1182 | 13 or Google vasovagal syncope. |
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n***a 发帖数: 1373 | 14 vasovagal syncope/syncope seizure。常见。不需检查。如果老复发,再查。如果再
有同种症状,马上做下或躺下。 |
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w********e 发帖数: 36 | 15 昨天在大夫那里做了Endometrial biopsy (EB),可以说是我最痛苦的一次检查。我从
来就不是一个娇气的人,自从来美以后,大大小小的检查,手术也经历了不少。这一次
可是说是最难以忍受的。检查后,我上网查了一下,有些人把这个检查列为比生孩子更
痛苦的事。当然,我也不想没必要的吓唬人,其实,对绝大多数人来说,这个检查的难
受程度这相当于比较剧烈的痛经。
不幸的是,我属于少数据网称有vasovagal reaction (不知道中文名是什么)的人。
现在回忆起来,有些准备工作,如果我事先多查一查,还是会有不少帮助的。现在趁还
记得,写在这里,希望能帮到将来有些姐妹们。
其实我的大夫每一步似乎都正确,但是timing却全不对。我到了诊所以后,先给了四片
止痛片(两片advil aleve, 两片tylenol).但是大概十分钟之后,我就被叫上了妇检台
(和pap smear同样的)。其实应该等半个到一个小时,这样止痛片才能发生作用。
接着大夫先做了一个超声波,然后再给用了一种药。 因为我之前签的手术通知上说的
是Saline Infusion Synography, 但是我也不... 阅读全帖 |
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N*********c 发帖数: 330 | 16 来自主题: NextGeneration版 - 居然晕厥了 May Google vasovagal syncope. |
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n***a 发帖数: 1373 | 17 来自主题: NextGeneration版 - 居然晕厥了 Common. Vasovagal syncope. No test needed at this time. |
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A**6 发帖数: 355 | 18 来自主题: NextGeneration版 - 居然晕厥了 tks
Common. Vasovagal syncope. No test needed at this time. |
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i**********d 发帖数: 853 | 19 A postdoctoral position is immediately available in the laboratory of Julian
M. Stewart MD, PhD at the Center for Hypotension of New York Medical
College in Valhalla, New York. (www.syncope.org).
Our research concerns orthostatic intolerance and neurovascular regulation
with a current focus on postural tachycardia syndrome (POTS), vasovagal
syncope, and their relation to central and peripheral autonomic control. We
employ methods producing orthostatic stress (upright tilt) and simulated
hemorrha... 阅读全帖 |
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g*2 发帖数: 658 | 20 感觉的可能性有
1)vasovagal attack: 比如抽血时,有人忽然晕倒,就可能是。google一下,可以看
到更多的内容,跑步也会引起。临床上没有脑血管问题的,一般先考虑这个。
2)大脑灌注不够,比如脱水引起的,咖啡有利尿作用,但没有运动出汗导致的脱水严
重。就像久蹲后站起来,引起的头晕黑朦,就是大脑灌注不够导致的。
3)低血糖。 会有交感兴奋的表现,心跳快,恶心,头晕等
4)另外,你几岁啊,如果年纪大,可以考虑椎基底动脉供血不足,还有TIA,
Transient ischemic attack。 应该要查血和做进一步影象学检查。 |
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g*2 发帖数: 658 | 21 临床上如果由于大脑低灌注hypoperfusion而引起短暂的失去意识,就是syncope。一般
要收治入院在telemetry unit, 除了详细的问病史和体检,还要作syncope workup, 包
括1)排除心脏的问题, 如心律失常,心脏瓣膜问题,心肌肥厚,心梗等,做一系列的
心肌酶谱和心电图,做心动图echocardiogram, 做holter, 如果需要还要做stress
test, cardioangiogram冠脉造影等 2)排除神经方面的问题,如seizure,椎基底动脉供
血不足,脑溢血/脑梗等,做CT head, EEG脑电图等 3)排除其他的问题比如体位性低
血压,血管迷走神经vasovagal,脱水,药物引起的等等。
还要根据病人的年龄和既往病史等信息来综合诊断。
我们这里老年病人syncope特别多。很少有年纪轻的。
楼主的心脏科医生应该做了其中的一些检查了吧。 |
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g*2 发帖数: 658 | 22 这个晕倒,可能有很多原因的。 当时有没有意识的丧失 (syncope),有没有恶心呕吐
,有没有感觉心跳得厉害,心慌,胸痛,头痛,头晕。以前有没有发生过类似的情况等
。 需要很多的信息来判断。
可能性比较大些的有:比如vasovagal (血管迷走神经兴奋, 比如有些人看到抽血会晕
倒);脱水,外周血管扩张(比如肌肉里的),导致大脑的低灌注;低血糖;贫血;缺
氧等
如果当时有意识丧失,应该去医院查一下。严重的可能有心脏,大脑,血管(比如颈动
脉) 等的问题,特别是如果有一些基础病的话。 |
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s******h 发帖数: 103 | 25 Syncope: CT HEADS
Cardiac arrhythmia
TIA/Trauma
Hypotension/hypoglycemia
Epilepsy
Aortic stenosis/IHSS
Drug-induced
Syncope/convulsive syncope/vasovagal syncope |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 26 Should I take the credit? lol
很同情,我个人觉得没什么,不就是一次意外吗。 医学上我们叫vasovagal event,这
么多年没上考场,有点兴奋很正常。
重新准备, 调整心态。 成功不成功不是你我可以掌握的,但为理想奋斗是必须的,这
个世界后悔是最可悲的事,你努力了,这就足够了。 |
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d****y 发帖数: 2180 | 27 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
icefox9 (清清) 于 (Sun Feb 10 21:00:16 2013, 美东) 提到:
哎, 这里大家都是捷报频传, 我们的事都没法说出口, 可除了这里, 我也不知到那里去
求助. 情况是这样的.
LG 是老CMG了, 一直在实验室做. 但工作不稳定, 决心考板. 我全力支持, 我全职工作
, 很忙, 但为了支持LG早点考完, 包揽了所有家务和两个孩子的接送, 学习. LG除了上
班, 就是看书. 他也很用功. 40多岁的人了, 每天学到半夜, 周末全天在学, 看着都辛
苦, 我带孩子SHOPPING. 但就是这么学, 进展还是很缓慢, 用了一年半, 摸考才220-
230.但实在不能在拖下去了, 考前在家冲刺了两个月, 就定了上个星期五考, 不要求太
高, 考个差不多的分数就行了. 去考场摸考了, 头天也睡的不错, 可万万没想到, LG
竟然考到第5个晕到了, 等醒来, 15分钟已经过去了, 当时他脑子一片空白, 无法继续,
只好绝望的回家了. 我晚上满心欢喜回到家, 知道情况, ... 阅读全帖 |
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a***r 发帖数: 2677 | 28 这种成绩最鸡肋。还不如考场上直接VASOVAGAL了,出来拍拍屁股就可以走了,不带走
一片云彩,呵呵。这种还要一直考到STEP3,再做上一年半载的EXTERN,又搭上好几年
时间,交一堆钱给各种人。等到申请才知道机会是多么的小。比较同意CMG10%这个比例
。 |
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a***r 发帖数: 2677 | 29 医版的风向变了啊。一年前有个老公考场上vasovagal了,老婆来问,满版的要爆精神
原子弹,呵呵。 |
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r*********n 发帖数: 130 | 30 真实考试:
我提前两天到的atlanta,当时我已经进入3rd trimester。专门去买了很舒适的高跟鞋
(clarks)和motherhood的衬衫西裤,白大褂一套肚子还是弹老大,形象很奇怪。老公
陪我飞过去,当了两天陪吃陪玩全职sp。最后两天在旅馆,也没怎么练case,就是每天
练几个不要生疏。住的是best western个人感觉不错,就是空调超级吵,幸亏明智带了
耳塞。吃东西就是叫叫外卖,有一家中国店还不错,papa jones pizza吃吃也不错,隔
壁走路5分钟有个麦当劳,那里的套餐超级便宜大量,感慨乡下地方还是好朴实,每次
都既便宜又吃到撑。唯一不好的就是周围步行没有像样超市所以没水果,只能早餐拿免
费苹果香蕉。后来遇到个印度人居然说hotel对面有一小片西瓜地,不过那晚已经是我
考前一晚也就没很high的买西瓜去了。后来的同学要是去可以去对面买西瓜解馋。那个
hotel有专门shuttle送去考场,开车也就5分钟就到了很方便。然后考生好像住这家有
20%discount,你只要告诉他考cs就行。
真实考试那天心情很轻松,想着考完这个我就可以安心待产了,加上kapl... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******c 发帖数: 501 | 32 头晕和眩晕有时候很难区分,如果没有位置感变化,就是一般说的“天旋地转”,而是
“头晕眼花”有可能是vasovagal presyncope,特别说天冷时厉害,另外注意测量立卧
位血压,如果经常发生在从卧位/坐位到站立位时,就要注意每当起床或站起时动作要
慢,让身体有个适应过程。 |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 33 谜语4
扑通晕倒在地
答案:1. Vasovagal syncope
2. Cardiogenic syncope
3. Hypoglycemia
4. Pseudoseizure :) |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 34 我的病人除非有症状我才做carotid U/S, 如果over 70%, refer to surgeon。 这些
病人是symptomatic。
如果是syncope, 我从来不做carotid u/s。 因为将近90%是vasovagal 和
cardiogenic。 剩下的还要考虑orthostasis和seizure。 如果是TIA, 应该是基底动
脉的问题, carotid u/s不如MRA。
可恶的美国医疗体系是你order的test越多赚的钱就越多, 所以就有了过分的order
carotid, 一旦发现了超过70的stenosis, 就把他们refer到surgeon。 surgeon当然
求之不得, 可能是手术容易做, reimbursement高, 这些surgeon一看到我就提醒我
有没有case, 竞争不是一般的激烈。 可以想象他们的门槛会多低。
carotid stenosis并不见得一定是artery-to-artery amboli, 它的存在可能导致供血
不足, 而引起远端动脉的thrombosis。 所以清除plague只是改善血供, 不见得可以
消... 阅读全帖 |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 35 Vasovagal syncope. I agree you do not have a migraine but BPPV.
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f**********n 发帖数: 246 | 36 Agree with A++, Vasovagal syncope seems to be most likely. Your doctor might
want to test you with Tilt table testing, though the sensibility and
specificity of this test is not perfect. |
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g*****d 发帖数: 991 | 37 1.What the cardiologist told you meant vasovagal symptoms are common to
ordinary people.
2. You said you have "positive stress test". How positive? cause you
dropping BP and dropping heart rate together?
3. Your symptoms could be "dysautonomia" or "autonomic nerve system disorder
". It's treatable and manageable. Contact your neurologist and do ANS test.
4. continue Nortriptyline. Consider to add beta blocker. |
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A*******s 发帖数: 9638 | 38 24小时不睡啊,确实辛苦,我们以前是36小时,但晚上可以睡一会, 看运气,如果儿
科的急诊多就
没辙了。夜里两个医院间来回跑是最可恶的。
抗议一下这一段:“15:30 大学医院神经科病房。77岁老人高血压房颤中风病史因晕
厥待查入神经科,疑
是癫痫发作。多次心电图和心肌酶正常。无心脏科处理指证。真想说,Stupid的神经科
。”
除了vasovagal,syncope大多数是cardiogenic,与中风和癫痫没什么关系。心律失常
是最常见的,所以很多情况下病人出院需要带event monitor。而最新出台的新规矩不
提倡在syncope病人做carotid ultrasound就是要把syncope与CVA区分开来。
你这个病人我认为是心脏科问题,可怜神经科怎么收了这个病人,确实愚蠢,呵呵
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k*****e 发帖数: 22013 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区 】
发信人: pipigou123 (鼠姐虎弟), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Re: 在美国,学中医的比这里大部分人赚得多
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Aug 14 19:55:23 2011, 美东)
INTRODUCTION — The word "acupuncture" is derived from the Latin words "acus
" (needle) and "punctura" (penetration). Acupuncture originated in China
approximately 2000 years ago and is one of the oldest medical procedures in
the world.
Over its long history and dissemination, acupuncture has diversified and
encompasses a large array of styles and techniques. ... 阅读全帖 |
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