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w****j
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东部还有印第安保护区啊。比如最早接触欧洲殖民者的Wampanoags部落,现在在麻省
Duke County的Watuppa Wampanoag Reservation。2000年人口统计的时候就剩91个人了
。Wampanoags很悲愤的。在1970年,麻省Department of Commerce为纪念the Pilgrims
' Landing 350周年,邀请Wampanoag人Frank James(印第安名字Wamsutta)发
表演讲。但Frank James演讲稿没有通过审查,被噤声了(谁说只有共产党搞
censorship的)。如果麻省DOC给予他言论的自由,那么他在纪念仪式上将会发布如下
演讲(希望大家能耐心读下去,我觉得写得相当不错,白人挖人家坟的事情都是真的。
里面提到的印第安酋长的雕像应该还在,有在Plymouth的同学没有?):
I speak to you as a man -- a Wampanoag Man. I am a proud man, proud of my
ancestry, my accomplishments won by a str... 阅读全帖
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“五月花号靠印第安人食物活过第一个冬天”系谣传
作者:浏星雨
与一些流行说法正好相反,印第安人给“五月花”号的见面礼不是笑脸和食物,而
是诅咒和弓箭。
1620年11月,“五月花”号来到北美大陆的时候,印第安人还处在原始部落时期,
靠捕猎和刀耕火种生活。他们臣服于武力,恐惧于神灵。1616-1619年间的北美瘟疫大
流行之后,新英格兰地区印第安部落人口只剩下原来的三分之一左右。“五月花”号移
民的登陆地就是已经绝灭的原Patuxet亚部落所在地。
早在10年多前,当一些英国人在美洲东岸弗吉尼亚建立村镇的时候,已迁居荷兰的
英国分离派教徒也一直筹划着移民美洲新大陆。1620年8月,他们准备了两艘船,但其
中一艘不断漏水,于是就把人货合并到“五月花”号上。“五月花”号的目的地本来是
纽约哈德遜河流域,是恶劣的大风天气,迫使他们折返马塞诸塞的科德角海湾停靠。
这批分离派教徒的第一个冬天,根本就没有和印第安人打过交道。1620年11月11日
他们进入海湾并签署“五月花号公约”,12月20日选定普利茅斯作为定居点,12月23日
上岸建房。这个冬天,... 阅读全帖
x*********2
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“五月花”号真的是靠印第安人送食物才活过第一个冬天吗?
与一些流行说法正好相反,印第安人给“五月花”号的见面礼不是笑脸和食物,而
是诅咒和弓箭。
1620年11月,“五月花”号来到北美大陆的时候,印第安人还处在原始部落时期,
靠捕猎和刀耕火种生活。他们臣服于武力,恐惧于神灵。1616-1619年间的北美瘟疫大
流行之后,新英格兰地区印第安部落人口只剩下原来的三分之一左右。“五月花”号移
民的登陆地就是已经绝灭的原Patuxet亚部落所在地。
早在此前的10多年,当一些英国人在美洲东岸弗吉尼亚建立村镇的时候,已迁居荷
兰的英国分离派教徒也一直筹划着移民美洲新大陆。1620年8月,这批分离派教徒准备
了两艘船,但其中一艘不断漏水,于是就把人货合并到“五月花”号上。“五月花”号
的目的地本来是纽约哈德遜河流域,是恶劣的大风天气,迫使他们折返马塞诸塞的科德
角海湾停靠。
这批分离派教徒的第一个冬天,根本就没有和印第安人有交往。1620年11月11日他
们进入海湾并签署“五月花号公约”,12月20日选定普利茅斯作为定居点,12月23日上
岸建房。这个冬天,... 阅读全帖
w****n
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: xingyuliu72 (劉星雨), 信区: Military
标 题: “五月花号靠印第安人食物活过第一个冬天”系谣传
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 21 11:04:19 2014, 美东)
“五月花号靠印第安人食物活过第一个冬天”系谣传
作者:浏星雨
与一些流行说法正好相反,印第安人给“五月花”号的见面礼不是笑脸和食物,而
是诅咒和弓箭。
1620年11月,“五月花”号来到北美大陆的时候,印第安人还处在原始部落时期,
靠捕猎和刀耕火种生活。他们臣服于武力,恐惧于神灵。1616-1619年间的北美瘟疫大
流行之后,新英格兰地区印第安部落人口只剩下原来的三分之一左右。“五月花”号移
民的登陆地就是已经绝灭的原Patuxet亚部落所在地。
早在10年多前,当一些英国人在美洲东岸弗吉尼亚建立村镇的时候,已迁居荷兰的
英国分离派教徒也一直筹划着移民美洲新大陆。1620年8月,他们准备了两艘船,但其
中一艘不断漏水,于是就把人货合并到“五月花”号上。“五月花”号的目的地本来... 阅读全帖
x*********2
发帖数: 230
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“五月花号靠印第安人食物活过第一个冬天”系谣传
作者:浏星雨
与现在的一些流行说法正好相反,印第安人给“五月花”号的见面礼不是笑脸和食物,
而是诅咒和弓箭。
“五月花”号来到北美大陆的时候,印第安人还处在原始部落时期,靠狩猎和刀耕火种
生活。他们臣服于武力,恐惧于神灵。经历了1916-1919年北美瘟疫大流行之后,新英
格兰地区印第安部落人口只剩下原来的三分之一左右。“五月花”号移民的登陆地就是
已经绝灭的原Patuxet部落所在地。
早在10年多前,英国人已在弗吉尼亚建立了移民村镇。1620年8月,分离派教徒本来准
备了两艘船,但其中一艘漏水,于是就把货物合并到“五月花”号上。“五月花”号的
目的地本来是纽约哈德遜河流域(当时属于北弗吉尼亚境内)。但恶劣的天气,加上疾
病导致乘员身体虚弱,使得他们就近停靠马塞诸塞的科德角海湾。
“五月花”号本身装备有火炮系统。由于害怕当地印第安人来袭击,他们将口径为3.5
英寸,射程1500码以上的几门大炮运送上岸,在高处建立嘹望哨。但这批分离派教徒的
第一个冬天,多数时间是在船上度过的。后来他们获知,在他们到达的前一年,一支英
国探险队上岸后遭印第... 阅读全帖
q********1
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 我问一个女基督徒的问题: (转载)
The idea of the American Thanksgiving feast is a fairly recent fiction.
The idyllic partnership of 17th Century European Pilgrims and New
England Indians sharing a celebratory meal appears to be less than 120
years-old. And it was only after the First World War that a version of
such a Puritan-Indian partnership took hold in elementary schools across
the American landscape. We can thank the invention of textbooks and
their mass purchase by public schools for embedding this "Thanksgiving"
image i... 阅读全帖
G******e
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Walter L. Sargent, Assistant Professor of History, University of Maine
Farmington
http://iweb.tntech.edu/kosburn/history-201/Puritans%20&%20Indians.htm
Indians and Puritans
A. Background
1. Indians of New England included the Abenaki, Pawtucket, Massachuset,
Narragansett. Pequot, and Wampanoag tribes
2. In 1616 an epidemic wiped out 3/4 of the New England Indian population,
so that Puritans landed in an area where Indians' ability to resist was
greatly weakened
3. In 1633-34 another smallpox epi... 阅读全帖
l*****a
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 为什么感恩?A True Story of Thanksgiving
The idea of the American Thanksgiving feast is a fairly recent fiction.
The idyllic partnership of 17th Century European Pilgrims and New
England Indians sharing a celebratory meal appears to be less than 120
years-old. And it was only after the First World War that a version of
such a Puritan-Indian partnership took hold in elementary schools across
the American landscape. We can thank the invention of textbooks and
their mass purchase by public schools for embedding this "Thanksgiving"
image i... 阅读全帖
l*****o
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来自主题: Military版 - 感恩节,悼念印第安人
那你赶快去纠正三亿米国人几百年的谎言
Americans commonly trace the Thanksgiving holiday to a 1621 celebration at
the Plymouth Plantation, where the settlers held a harvest feast after a
successful growing season. Autumn or early winter feasts continued
sporadically in later years, first as an impromptu religious observance, and
later as a civil tradition.
Squanto, a Patuxet Native American who resided with the Wampanoag tribe,
taught the Pilgrims how to catch eel and grow corn and served as an
interpreter for them... 阅读全帖
s*********9
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来自主题: Cantonese版 - 感恩节的由来(中英对照)
感恩节是一个很重要的美国传统节日。每年11月的第四个星期四,人们都会与家
人、朋友欢聚一堂,下午3时左右吃传统的火鸡大餐。该节日最初主要是为了庆祝一年
的丰收,与中国的中秋节有些相似。
Thanksgiving Day is a very important traditional holiday in America.
On the fourth Thursday of each November, families and friends gather
together for the occasion to celebrate with a traditional turkey dinner,
usually in the mid-afternoon. Thanksgiving Day originated as a celebration
of the year's harvest and is similar to the Mid-Autumn Festival in China.
This American tradition started... 阅读全帖
a*******e
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来自主题: History版 - 扫盲,昨天qed等人在军版竟然
from wiki:
While not the first thanksgiving of any sort on the continent, the
traditional origin of modern Thanksgiving in the United States is generally
regarded to be the celebration that occurred at the site of Plymouth
Plantation, in Massachusetts, in 1621. The Wampanoag Native Americans helped
the pilgrims who arrived in Massachusetts cultivate the land and fish,
saving them from starvation. This harvest celebration occurred early in the
history of what would become one of the original Thir... 阅读全帖
l********k
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来自主题: Military版 - 感恩节这个词汇太讽刺了
wikipedia:
Typically in Europe, festivals were held before and after the harvest cycles
to give thanks for a good harvest, and to rejoice together after much hard
work with the rest of the community.[4] At the time, Native Americans had
also celebrated the end of a harvest season.[4]
...
While initially, the Plymouth colony did not have enough food to feed half
of the 102 colonists, the Wampanoag Native Americans helped the Pilgrims by
providing seeds and teaching them to fish.
b*****y
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来自主题: Military版 - 感恩节 来历
[编辑] 美国
1620年,一艘名叫“五月花”的帆船离开英国驶向美洲新大陆,船上的102名乘客都是
清教徒。他们要寻找一个地方,在那里他们可以用他们自己的方式敬拜上帝。这批人是
来自英国的清教徒。为了躲避英国的宗教迫害,他们曾在荷兰居住了十多年。现在他们
要返回英国,登上这艘将带给他们新生活的小船。
在66天颠簸的航程中,所有的大人和孩子拥挤在一个排球场大的空间里。终于在1620年
11月,这批勇敢的清教徒在马萨诸塞州岩石海岸上的普列茅斯登陆,当时正值北方的严
冬。他们面临数月可怕的饥饿、疾病与死亡。结果,近一半的人(47人)死在那个冬天
,其中包括他们的领袖总督卡尔和13位妻子,只有5位妻子活下来。
1621年的春天他们开始勘查土地,并且计划建立自己的小城镇。这时候一些令人惊奇的
事情发生了。首先,有两个英语说得很流利的印第安人来拜访他们。其中有个叫司光恩
徒(Squanto)的,他所属的部落曾经在清教徒们所在的土地上居住。而他自己则在
1605年被英国水手绑架,当了九年的仆人,1614年他抓住一个机会返回家乡,但是立刻
又被抓起来了。这次他被卖到西班牙做奴隶,在那里,修道士救了他,... 阅读全帖

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前有feds趁乱剥夺Mashpee Wampanoag部落在cape cod自留地,现在pochahontas声称麻
省被feds多次抢去医护用品
http://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1245004104713342977
Elizabeth Warren
@SenWarren
Trump told states they were on their own to purchase medical equipment, so
that’s what MA tried to do. But then the federal government outbid MA at
least 3 times – and reports show two of our orders were seized by federal
authorities. This is unacceptable.
c**i
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来自主题: Food版 - Blood Clam
Not Exactly Beauties, These Clams Have a Winning Taste. New York Times, May
11, 2011 (title in print)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/dining/blood-clams
-worth-a-second-look.html?scp=1&sq=blood%20clam&st=cse
Note:
(a) hard clam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_clam
(Mercenaria mercenaria; an edible marine bivalve mollusk which is native to
the eastern shores of North America, from Prince Edward Island to the Yucat
án Peninsula[, Mexico])
Quote:
"In fishmarkets there are specialist names for d... 阅读全帖
y**i
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来自主题: SanFrancisco版 - 不能被黑人打了就说黑人不好

反正不是穷。最多是欧洲人决定不再杀印第安人,采取合作关系的开始而已。
In 1621, the Plymouth colonists and Wampanoag Indians shared an autumn
harvest feast which is acknowledged today as one of the first Thanksgiving
celebrations in the colonies. For more than two centuries, days of
thanksgiving were celebrated by individual colonies and states. It wasn't
until 1863, in the midst of the Civil War, that a national Thanksgiving Day
to be held each November was formally proclaimed.
The First Thanksgiving
This harvest meal has become
s**l
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091124060730AAjuL
History records that after the English torched a Pequot village and killed
men, women and children, the Protestant ultra fundamentalist, Cotton Mather,
approvingly proclaimed, "It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls
were brought down to hell that day." And in his Thanksgiving sermon,
delivered in Plymouth in 1623, Mather the Elder "gave thanks for the
devastating plague of smallpox, which wiped out the majority of the
Wa... 阅读全帖
G******e
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 关于感恩节的野史
碰到一个faculty写的关于感恩节的简史,大家有空就看两眼。
Walter L. Sargent, Assistant Professor of History, University of Maine
Farmington
http://iweb.tntech.edu/kosburn/history-201/Puritans%20&%20Indians.htm
Indians and Puritans
A. Background
1. Indians of New England included the Abenaki, Pawtucket, Massachuset,
Narragansett. Pequot, and Wampanoag tribes
2. In 1616 an epidemic wiped out 3/4 of the New England Indian population,
so that Puritans landed in an area where Indians' ability to resist was
greatly weakene
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