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发帖数: 29846 | 1 Dick Cheney says he would “do it again in a minute.” He’s right.
By Bret Stephens
Dec. 15, 2014 6:52 p.m. ET
I am not sorry Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operational mastermind of 9/11,
was waterboarded 183 times. KSM also murdered Wall Street Journal reporter
Danny Pearl in 2002. He boasted about it: “I decapitated with my blessed
right hand the head of the American Jew,” he said after his capture.
I am sorry KSM remains alive nearly 12 years after his capture. He has been
let off far too light... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 94654 | 2 昨天支持，今天不支持了
Washington (CNN)Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that he
would not order the U.S. military to violate international laws to fight
terrorism, a stark reversal from his statements at Thursday's Republican
debate.
Trump said in a statement that he understands "that the United States is
bound by laws and treaties" and said he would "not order our military or
other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such
matters."
He added, "I will not order a mi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 94654 | 3 到最后，川普引来众多支持的观点一个个就都变了，呵呵
说是在的，torture这点我还是挺支持的，那次看辩论，川普说，
they are chopping off our heads. we are talking about waterboarding. yes I
will do waterboarding, I will do worse.
当时还真觉得痛快。现在他也开始政治正确了，哈哈 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 4 via Breitbart Feed
"I'm not here to defend torture" writes former CIA Director (2006 to 2009)
Michael Hayden in today's Telegraph.
And I have no intention of doing so either. But I can't be the only one who
finds something a little disturbing about the witch-hunt unanimity among our
mainstream media - not just on the left but on the right too - that the US
Senate Intelligence Committee report into the CIA's use of torture against
suspected terrorists constitutes, as the Mail put it on its front ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 5 So some terrorists got waterboarded...
真不得了了！
哈佛教授发现账单上多了4块。
真不得了了！ |
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发帖数: 24733 | 6 其实很容易说的啊。
As senator Cruz said in previous debate, waterboarding is NOT torturing by
definition. |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 7 他后来change mind了。后任国防部长告诉她，一包烟，一瓶酒比waterboarding更有效。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 8 他没有 change his mind，
"I’m not saying it changed my mind about torture”.
He added that “we have people that are chopping off heads and drowning
people in steel cages and we’re not allowed to waterboard”. Though he had
been given pause by what Mattis told him, he was convinced that “if it’s
so important to the American people, I would go for it. I would be guided by
that.”
效。 |
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发帖数: 29 | 9 【 以下文字转载自 sysop 讨论区 】
发信人: ethics (ethics), 信区: sysop
标 题: Re: 强烈要求不准从waterboard转贴出来
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Sep 6 10:56:33 2009, 美东)
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发帖数: 29846 | 10 By Elise Cooper
Vice-President Cheney's book, In My Time, is an insightful autobiography.
It chronicles his perspective on events in which he played a significant
role over the last forty years. It is not written like a textbook; in fact
the prologue reads like a Vince Flynn political thriller novel. American
Thinker interviewed Mr. Cheney about his book and policies.
The first third of the book is devoted to his upbringing, his failure at
Yale, his DUI arrests, and his early years in governm... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 11 By EVAN PEREZ
WASHINGTON—A former Central Intelligence Agency officer was sentenced
Friday to 2½ years in prison for disclosing information to a reporter
identifying a covert agent.
A federal judge in Alexandria, Va., sentenced John Kiriakou, 48 years old,
to 30 months in prison as part of an agreement with prosecutors. U.S.
District Court Judge Leonie Brinkema rejected claims that Mr. Kiriakou was a
whistleblower, as his supporters have portrayed him, according to a
spokesman for the prose... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 12 Donald Trump’s New York Times Interview: Full Transcript
By THE NEW YORK TIMESNOV. 23, 2016
President-elect Donald J. Trump during a meeting at The New York Times’s
offices in Manhattan on Tuesday.
Following is a transcript of President-elect Donald J. Trump’s interview on
Tuesday with reporters, editors and opinion columnists from The New York
Times. The transcription was prepared by Liam Stack, Jonah Engel Bromwich,
Karen Workman and Tim Herrera of The Times.
ARTHUR SULZBERGER Jr., publisher o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 13 By Ken Dilanian, Washington Bureau
June 30, 2011, 4:23 p.m.
Reporting from Washington—
The Justice Department has decided not to file criminal charges in the vast
majority of cases involving the CIA's former interrogation, detention and
kidnapping program.
In a statement to CIA employees on his last day as director, Leon E. Panetta
said Thursday that after an examination of more than 100 instances in which
the agency allegedly had contact with terrorism detainees, Assistant U.S.
Atty. John Durha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5016 | 14 Washington (CNN)Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that he
would not order the U.S. military to violate international laws to fight
terrorism, a stark reversal from his statements at Thursday's Republican
debate.
Trump said in a statement that he understands "that the United States is
bound by laws and treaties" and said he would "not order our military or
other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such
matters."
He added, "I will not order a military offic... 阅读全帖 |
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y****n
发帖数: 3184 | 15 这片儿可能没有你想的那么主旋律吧
据说前15分钟都是waterboarding虐囚的场景
From wiki:
The Associated Press reported that early film reviews "revealed that the fil
m features the waterboarding scene while at the same time playing audio of P
resident Barack Obama saying that he does not believe the US should use tort
ure." One reviewer said the waterboarding scene takes up almost the whole fi
rst fifteen minutes of the film.
另外要说主旋律，林肯，Argo都是主旋律片儿吧
明年奥斯卡整一华表奖啊 |
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发帖数: 33885 | 18 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who
scored a major victory in a series of Super Tuesday nominating contests, has
been criticized by some in his party for being vague on policy specifics
and heavy on rhetoric.
Here is a closer look at what Trump has said he would do on trade, taxes,
the economy, immigration, healthcare and defense should he become the
nominee and win the Nov. 8 election. The policies are drawn from a review of
his website, stump speeches, de... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 466 | 19 WASHINGTON (Reuters)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who scored a major victory
in a series of Super Tuesday nominating contests, has been criticized by
some in his party for being vague on policy specifics and heavy on rhetoric.
Here is a closer look at what Trump has said he would do on trade, taxes,
the economy, immigration, healthcare and defense should he become the
nominee and win the Nov. 8 election. The policies are drawn from a review of
his website, stump speeches, deba... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 22 October 2, 2011 - 3:59 pm - by Victor Davis Hanson
The Parting of the Clouds
In every literary, historical or cinematic masterpiece, times must grow
darkest before the sunrise and deliverance. Tolkien worked that classical
theme to great effect. A sense of fatalism overtook a seemingly doomed
Gondor — right before the overthrow of Barad-dûr and the dawn of a new
age of men. The historian Herodotus, in literary fashion, also brilliantly
juxtaposed the Greek collapse at Thermopylae (the... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 23 Oh my: Majorities of liberal Democrats now support drone strikes, keeping
Gitmo open
posted at 6:46 pm on February 8, 2012 by Allahpundit
Pity poor Glenn Greenwald, who thought the left’s opposition to Bush’s
counterterror policies was based on something more profound than crude
partisan tribalism. Why he thought that, I don’t know: The writing was on
the wall when the anti-war movement started dying even as Obama geared up
for a surge of tens of thousands of troops in Afghanistan. In fact, I’ll... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 24 December 10, 2014 - 8:35 PM
By BRADLEY KLAPPER, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — Top spies past and present campaigned Wednesday to
discredit the Senate's investigation into the CIA's harrowing torture
practices after 9/11, battling to define the historical record and deter
potential legal action around the world.
The Senate intelligence committee's report doesn't urge prosecution for
wrongdoing, and the Justice Department has no interest in reopening a
criminal probe. But the threat to former... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 25 所有这些东东都是工具而已, 看是谁用,用来达到什么目的. 难道坏人用冲锋枪好人就
不用了? 那些所谓waterboarding是torture就不用的人就是宋襄公.
我很多年前在craglist和旧金山的左逼们就争论过这个, 我问如果有恐怖分子放了个原
子弹在旧金山, 然后我们知道有一个人知道地点, 如果waterboarding可以让这个人说
出地点,你们会不会用? 结果左逼的回答是不可能有这种事发生的. 后来发现911的时
候,一个穆斯林恐怖分子其实早就知道会有911,但被抓住的时候政府没有严刑拷问, 那
家伙被关起来的时候还买了个收音机,就是要听911 爆炸的消息.
美国就是被这帮左逼搞坏的. |
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发帖数: 4527 | 27 唯一的表态是反对trump 水刑审问战犯
President-elect Donald Trump vowed to to bring back waterboarding during his
campaign, and his recent choice of Rep. Mike Pompeo as CIA director has
also raised further questions about whether or not this administration plans
to embrace the use of torture.
But John McCain is having none of it.
Appearing at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia on
Saturday, the Arizona senator defiantly stated that the United States will
not engage in torture under any circu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 28 老头很中意，但参议院估计会有争议。
Haspel ran a "black site" CIA prison located in Thailand in 2002.[10][11]
The site was codenamed "Cat’s Eye" and held suspected al Qaeda members Abd
al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Abu Zubaydah for a time. The Senate Intelligence
Committee report on CIA torture specifies that during their detention at the
site they were waterboarded and interrogated using no-longer-authorized
methods. Declassified CIA cables specify that Zubaydah was waterboarded 83
times in a month, was sleep deprived... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2136 | 29
George Bush Book 'Decision Points' Lifted From Advisers' Books
Huffington Post 11-12-10
When Crown Publishing inked a deal with George W. Bush for his memoirs, the
publisher knew it wasn't getting Faulkner. But the book, at least, promises
"gripping, never-before-heard detail" about the former president's key
decisions, offering to bring readers "aboard Air Force One on 9/11, in the
hours after America's most devastating attack since Pearl Harbor; at the
head of the table in the Situ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 443 | 30 搬进来后把以前旧的弹簧型的thermostat 换成自动化的(waterboard heating system)
, 有两个zone, 一个控制地下室和一楼,一个控制2楼, 前几天楼上的waterboard 是冰
冷的,无论如何设置温度也不行, 是什么问题? 是 thermostat 坏了还是其他什么地方?
怎么找出来问题? 是不是该换个新的thermostat来试一试? 谁又过类似问题 ? 修起来
贵吗? 是可以找gas company 还是和他们没关系,要自己找人来修? |
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发帖数: 19471 | 31 if the intel that led to this op was obtained through waterboarding, well, t
hat's some pretty damn good waterboarding. |
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发帖数: 5730 | 32 Democrats 还假惺惺地，拿把椅子，请老中坐
我也不会笨到给他们利用
共和党？华人就死了这条心，别想打入他们的高层
他们是压根看不起我们的
那个赵小兰是什么来头，你们应该知道吧
她根本就不承认她是Chinese，是不会替你我争取权益的
中间派就不会欣赏 John Yoo
你那NPR贴，我还没空回
基本上，我的看法是，尊重人心人性，
我不搭理会什么道德不道德
是非善恶，不是先圣先贤说的算
换个位子，问问你自己愿不愿意这么做
这John Yoo 还可以引经据点说明 waterboarding 不是 torture
实在是伪君子到家了
我虽不尽同意，但是可以接受甚至尊敬一个学者
为了国家安全。为 waterboarding, Guantanamo Bay 辩护。
但这 John Yoo 实在是 。。。太没有良心 。。。 巨没有人性 |
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发帖数: 1339 | 33 WTF!! Waterboard the bastard. |
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发帖数: 2503 | 34 这个人算是我在美国的一个忘年交吧。对人很好。
他前几天读到了一段资料，写了一封信问我，我也不知道怎么回，
不知道有没有人懂，给点建议。
Steve –
Something I read today. Do the Chinese really do this?
Bob
That night I read Eliot Pattison's new novel, "The Lord of Death," set in
occupied Tibet. I read about Chinese practices that have been refined far
beyond waterboarding - electrodes clamped on nipples and testicles,
injections of mind-twisting drugs, beatings administered until the detainee
is almost dead. And, for those who are particularly recalcitrant, there i |
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发帖数: 2073 | 35 Mohammed al-Qahtani 在关岛严刑逼供后就招了那对和本拉登住一起的兄弟和地址。就
是被穿了女人衣服，被学狗。本拉登正是招人不淑。
不象Khaled Sheikh Mohammed铮铮铁骨，被waterboarded了183次也没招。 |
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发帖数: 36899 | 36
你看错了。是别的被捕疑犯受不了waterboarding把这个信使招出来了。 |
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发帖数: 1379 | 37 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden
Phone call by Kuwaiti courier led to bin Laden
By ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press – Tue May 3, 7:57 am ET
WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the
phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his
boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.
That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a
years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the ke... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 36306 | 38 一个拉登做了这么多文章。先是给美国人民一个君子报仇十年不晚，然后揭露挖到拉登
的过程，顺手鞭笞了布什跟他老爷子时代搞waterboard严刑拷打残忍而没用，最后明知
恐怖分子当年拿布什女儿性命要挟过还邀请布什同去ground zero而后者表示不去，对
比10年前的慷慨陈词，小布什又成了不与民同庆的缩头乌龟。 |
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发帖数: 36899 | 39 还是天朝好，上拶指，上waterboarding，那用等到那么晚才发现尸体？
早找到的话能多多少证据啊。 |
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z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 40 少数族裔，加上学院派，典型的左倾人士，左得很彻底，支持aa，女权，同性恋婚姻，
要求废除酷刑和死刑
他的观点太过于激进了，导致联邦法官提名流产
Positions
Liu is socially liberal. He has written in favor of affirmative action,
abortion rights, and same-sex marriage and has been critical of Bush-era
waterboarding policy and the death penalty. His positions are usually left-
leaning; however, Liu has supported charter schools and government-funded
vouchers for private schools, particularly if used as a tool to "promote
racial diversity."[8] |
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发帖数: 1701 | 43 911的master mind那位。就是具体组织策划的。
开始FBI审了1个多月。人牛逼的不行。就一句话，一切等到了纽约见了律师再谈。
在CIA刑讯下15天就开口了。15天之后，像条狗一样。
版上哪个五毛自认比这位老兄强的。
ps你们真以为waterboarding是随便倒水啊？ |
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发帖数: 20343 | 44 如果有这么神，美国就不需要用waterboarding来给基地分子上刑了。 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 45 重庆用了那么多酷刑，没看到waterboarding，王局应该访问米国时观摩过，估计那种
心理幻觉恐怖不符合东方的口味。 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 47 He'll just get a little waterboarding. And maybe some solitary confinement
for a few years. Or weeks of sleep deprivation and stress positioning. No
torture, oh yeah! |
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发帖数: 48111 | 48 今年8%,
相比前3年每年10-12%, waterboard说是给老百姓一个relief |
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发帖数: 33885 | 50 /300px-Waterboarding.jpg |
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