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q***z 发帖数: 554 | 10
我的装备:
上衣:国内的衬衣+国内的毛衣1+国内的毛衣2+国内山寨'格伦布'夹克+Columbia夹克 (
结果全程都很热)
裤子:国内衬裤+国内运动裤+$25大路货滑雪裤
脸:Serius头套(非常暖)+mountain hardware耳朵帽子(非常好,适合亚洲人的大脑
袋,别的帽子都尖,适合欧美人)+大路货滑雪镜(里面全是冰,我什么也看不见,结
果就几乎没有戴)
手脚:REI switchback gloves (非常好!),一双塑料靴子,大路货crampons和ice axe
我的朋友都是好东西啦,他穿的层比我少多了,但是他冷,我不冷,哈哈。 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 11 我觉得很难控制的,比如好容易周末有时间了,大老远去了雪场,在下雪
基本上高点海拔就是white out,要玩吗?要
所以稍微hardcore点,whiteout难免的 |
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k***z 发帖数: 3522 | 12
我还没碰到过这种情况,不过即使一般的whiteout,我都会lost feel of balance,就
感觉根本不会滑了,:( |
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M********a 发帖数: 190 | 13 Day 1 Saturday, Jun 20, Arizona Mountaineering Club (AMC)的七人登山小组在西
雅图集合.我们先去了西雅图城中的REI,然后去买登山吃的食物. 那个REI店面巨大,大
概有我们这里REI的六七倍大,逛得我眼花撩乱.
Day 2 Sunday, Jun 21,我们上午10点从Paradise出发去Camp Muir.我这是第一次背包
超过65磅,心里有点没底,要爬升4500尺的高度才到Camp Muir. 上午有小雪,能见度很差
,不过温度不是很底,走得还满舒服的.没想到下午开始一会下大雪,一会刮大风,温度急
剧下降.前人走得脚印全被新雪盖住了,标路的wand因为能见度太底,有时找不到,结果迷
路了两次.这段走得很miserable,whiteout加大风雪,又冷又累,一直走到晚上九点半才
走到Camp Muir.安营烧水吃饭,直到半夜一点半才睡觉. |
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M********a 发帖数: 190 | 14 Yes, it is indeed a very dangerous mountain, especially when it was so windy
and deadly cold. I learned a few things from this climb:
1. I don't have much control over my own safety in a climbing rope team
because individual safety depends on the group.
2. Whiteout is truly a miserable and dangerous situation.
3. GPS is not dependable in the cold because the battery does not like cold
weather. I purchased new rechargeable battery, but it still not work in the
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 15 想起两年前有一次whiteout,还特icy,我站在一条黑道的顶上,嘟囔着,shit, can't
see anything,小心翼翼的不敢下。旁边过来一牛人,也嘟囔了一声,shit, can't
see anything,话音未落,噌就飞驰下去了,两秒钟就没影了 |
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y*****y 发帖数: 3433 | 16 whiteout and >30mph wind and freezing rain
turned around from campsite... |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 17 No one can survive a night on the upper mountain without a down jacket (he
didn't have) in perfect, I mean, perfect, weather.
And yes, the weather was pretty crappy last week. A high pressure didn't
come in till Monday. Even on Monday, it was a total whiteout below 7500 ft. |
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r******h 发帖数: 809 | 18 好像连attempt都不算,就只到base camp逛了一圈,还什么也没看见。5 hours up,3
hours down,24 hours in total, non-stop rain :-(
Leader Jordan是个好同志,星期五特意跑到ranger station拿permit(不过话说这个
周末真不用这么着急去抢,permit没人要的...),跟ranger聊了聊,说星期天天气有
可能好转,而且Jordan的原计划即使whiteout,只要不下雨就尝试登顶,这个山他爬过
很多次,路线很熟悉了。星期六trailhead集合的时候,雨就不小了,也不用纠结rain
pants/rain jacket太重,都得直接穿着,不用背了。上去的时候还很小心的把包里的
东西都拿垃圾袋裹着,而且把最怕湿的羽绒的东西都放在了最下面。trail相当的好,
坡度也很缓,走起来很舒服,Jordan说比他以前每次走的都好了不少。爬升都在小树林
里,出了树林以后,就是草甸上的traverse,trail质量依旧非常高。花很多,有许多
串成一串的淡紫色的喇叭花,开的很盛,可惜雨太大,懒得照相了。下雨的 |
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x******2 发帖数: 127 | 19 你怎么这么快就把我卖了 ...>_<
我还说了好多别的阿.
原来那个地方叫WHITEOUT. |
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y*****y 发帖数: 3433 | 20 我什么都没说吧。。。
Whiteout不是地名,是雾蒙蒙啥也看不见的一种状态 |
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s********e 发帖数: 814 | 21 according my friends who climbed whitney this april, summit condition could
be much worse than rainier in july. snow close to summit was too soft after
sunrise. better move to March.
going to start planning. anyone interested, pls send msg to me.
regarding training. went to mt washington during thanksgiving, the ice was
too thin for beginner. only experienced climbers went to have fun in
tuckerman ravine. instead, i climbed mt washington in 40mph storm, whiteout
weather through lion head trail.... 阅读全帖 |
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n*****a 发帖数: 1327 | 22 It is hard to say; on the last memorial day weekend the snow condition
wasn't that bad for climbing at all. But in March weather can be un-
stable.
could
after
was
whiteout |
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o*****e 发帖数: 379 | 23 你大概走的是commonwealth basin吧。我们直接上去一点approach都没有,从头陡到尾
,不想刨坑的话,休息都得站着。
我什么山都不想爬第二次,除了山顶whiteout一点风景都没看到的那个什么... |
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b***y 发帖数: 824 | 24 summit 的意思好像是到现在都没搞清山顶啥景色,每次都是whiteout |
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o*****e 发帖数: 379 | 25 非典型West ridge。星期一的时候Guillaume找人周末去Forbidden,等到周中查天气,
星期五和星期天都不行,只有星期六是mostly sunny,于是决定星期五下班以后出发,
晚上能走多远算多远,星期六爬完回家。一起去的还有Guillaume的两个朋友,跟我们
去base camp一日游。为了加快rap的速度,带了两根60米double的绳子,因为不太清楚
路况是什么样的,除了攀岩的rack,还带了picket和ice screw,事后证明基本都属白
背。因为包已经挺重了,我决定不背帐篷了,带一个新买的bivy,其实就是个sleeping
bag cover了,顺便测试一下。星期五下午5点,给ranger station打电话,说还有空
余的permit,加之他们六点就关门了,觉得我们能拿到的机会还是挺大的。五点二十从
bothell出发,高速上堵的一塌糊涂,等我们开到marblemount,都快8点了。Ranger
station门口的纸上有已经满员的营地的名字,boston basin倒是整个周末都有空位,
真不容易。我们填了表,换了衣服,再开到trailhea... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 26 很多拐弯的,别说tram,对面山头都看不到
有几乎whiteout的路段的,前边的人走个几十ft基本上就是个小点了 |
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c******n 发帖数: 16403 | 27 昨天早上窜访了St Helens, 待了不到一个小时看到云来了, 赶在whiteout之前逃下山 |
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c******n 发帖数: 16403 | 28 昨天早上窜访了St Helens, 待了不到一个小时看到云来了, 赶在whiteout之前逃下山 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 29 whiteout滑雪很头晕
我到现在头还晕晕的,呵呵
我当时想只要雪场敢开lift有人敢上我就敢上,呵呵
昨天出了summit没开其他的lift都开了,很多高海拔的路线也开着
不过雪场还是很认真的,把好多trail拦住了,所以迷路可能性小,沿着能走的
走就行了
昨天过厚powder的时候觉得很过瘾。但是教训是一定要高速冲过去
一次觉得懒了一下一停就半个身子陷进去了,呵呵,基本上像是游泳一样游出去
后来重新走同样路线高速cut过去,感觉那种雪上飘,真过瘾 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 30 我也摔了,最主要的摔的原因是whiteout
滑到一个bump前不知道,以为是平路,于是飞起来摔倒
不过,,那么软的雪摔得一点不疼,呵呵
现在特感叹好雪场对技术提高的好处
觉得去年一雪季在烂雪场练习真tmd不爽
雪好不怕摔就敢push自己就敢做以前不敢做的动作
local那种一inch不到的雪一摔摔个残废加上没那么多那么好条件的trail
加上人多,真的没机会练习的,哎,以后估计彻底不想去我们这的小屁雪场了 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 32 但是在whiteout的情景下,摘掉眼镜都看不到东西
是不是有那种科技带上比裸眼还强的? |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 33 嗯,昨天也不是整天完全whiteout
大部分时间还能看出去一点距离的
我觉得我的镜子还不错 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 34 去tramdock.com上蹲点等吧,平均每天出一次oakley A frame
不过不知道这个镜子对付这种whiteout如何 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 35 差别不是特别大,当然没有白天晴天那种爽朗的感觉
能见度比白天whiteout的时候强多了
不过,夜场一般都是简单道,可能滑两下就没意思了 |
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x***k 发帖数: 3311 | 36 Last Sunday. It was snowing and somewhat whiteout. At the Little Cloud and
higher chairs, at Snowbird, they put a big sign "Expert Only". So is that
a Double Diamond or even higher? |
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e*******e 发帖数: 1837 | 37 昨天去的应该可以有些fresh powder run吧。我们今天去基本没有平地了。
不过不喜欢whiteout什么都看不到的滑。
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x***k 发帖数: 3311 | 38 班主, 猛啊.
只见过 MICHAEL JORDAN 闭眼罚球, NOTHING BUT NET, 没见过闭眼SKI的.
Like I said in my post, even if with my eyes wide open I got dizzing, in
whiteout that is.
Advise to kids, if you are reading here, DO NOT try it like qmc! seriously. |
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r*******1 发帖数: 4394 | 39 goggles 收到了,很不错啊。这下有了对付 Whiteout 的利器了。谢谢! |
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s*****2 发帖数: 472 | 40 哈哈,太不厚道了 :)若不是知道老三是练家子,不会这样。警告多次老三还是不敢
冲进whiteout。于是中途落雪。不过说不定老被外州震撼的老三对顶级的squaw,甚至连
带顶级的mammoth有了新体会 :) |
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x***k 发帖数: 3311 | 41 When: today Nov. 14, 2010 - 2nd day of opening.
Where: Snowbird.
Who: me solo
What: early season, packed snow, 28” mid-mountain, almost whiteout, cold
and snowing.
How: only the tram and Gadzoom are open, - less than 20% of the whole
mountain I guess.
Would I buy ticket now: No, if you are a local. Just wait.
Will Thanksgiving be good: it will be OK and maybe the best Thanksgiving for
years. I do not think they are opening the whole mountain even then. |
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T*********e 发帖数: 39815 | 43 按你这说法,没goretex衣服还没发滑雪了
没啥错误不错误的
你要说穿好衣服舒服,那没错
穿一般的衣服,也不至于就死了
毕竟是inbound,如果下大雪,whiteout,大不了不滑了 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 44 我没说一定要goretex,我是说对于我有这么一件goretex没必要不穿
非要不穿这个再买个中等的inbound的衣服对于我才是更浪费呢
如果大学whiteout大不了不滑,机票,旅馆都扔了,更是浪费 |
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 45 你太敏感了,我不是把责任往你身上推
你的确多次看到我说inbound滑雪穿我那个唯一的goretex就嘲笑啥的,说我浪费,
fashion啥的,嘲笑的时候你可没加条件,究竟是风和日丽还是狂风whiteout
我那次丢雪板的确是因为穿了大五的不防水衣服浑身湿透,所以不愿意下车看板子,算
是板子丢的原因之一
并不是说是你白菜误导人导致丢板子了,不要这么敏感好不好
我现在说的就是没必要inbound就好像咋似的连个goretex都不舍得穿 |
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x***k 发帖数: 3311 | 46 既不练芭蕾,有没时间滑冰,睡晚懒觉才滑雪的,刚从BIRD到家。
It snowed the whole day (windy n whiteout) with knee deep powder, it was
excellent! |
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s*****r 发帖数: 100 | 47 I am surprised that you are as excited as I am. I thought locals (as I was
repeated told on the chair) think this is nothing.
But it was my first "fresh" powder run, amazing! The last minute switch to a
very fat demo ski also helped. I was riding Tram and Gad2 for a few hours,
as suggested by a local. The upper peruvian still have some soft powder in
the afternoon, but the lower half of mountain becomes painful with powder
ploughed away and the icy under surface revealed.
I missed the little clo... 阅读全帖 |
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N*5 发帖数: 679 | 48 是说我吗?献丑了。那天雪很硬而且whiteout,看不清雪面。 |
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 49 I have seen blind skiers on ungroomed, quite advanced terrains. on the other
hand, they have a lot of advantage in whiteout conditions compared to us. |
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r*******1 发帖数: 4394 | 50 雪大会 whiteout --‘症状’是头晕 不知身在何处 |
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