s*****l
发帖数: 7106 | 1 不禁手 33 44 和长连
先走必赢
如果按照国际规则和棋盘
最好的决策下 是下满 和棋 |
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s*****j
发帖数: 6435 | 2 老卡赛前瞎吹什么要捍卫人类尊严. 结果输了就想赖帐. |
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g*******d
发帖数: 5873 | 3 就他吹，在我看来计算机下赢了说明人类智力和技术的发展很好
就像自己的儿子赢了自己，其实也是应该骄傲的 |
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w***u
发帖数: 17713 | 4 上帝能造一块他搬不动的石头吗？
现在看来，确实如此，这块石头不仅仅砸了他的脚。因为他造出来的不仅仅是石头，是
比他会演进的石头，这一步，无论上帝喜欢与否，都迈出去了。 |
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M*******s
发帖数: 763 | 6 cpu is not human's son, it is machine. |
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A****6
发帖数: 218 | 7 有大师参与软件设计。
但老卡输了就耍赖，要是和他说的一样有大师在比赛中给电脑把关，他根本不可能有和
棋，别说赢了一盘。参见几年前中国象棋例子：几个县级棋手带了个笔记本，拿着自己
喜欢的软件人机结合把中国象棋团体冠军杀的开不了胡，纯人最好的棋就是和棋。 |
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x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 8
是啊，软件就是棋谱综合，提供参考，加上人的思维决断，一般人真下不过
以前我同学拿着象棋软件上联众下，杀的那些大师人仰马翻，当然他本身也是很厉害，
学校能排前5 |
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M*******s
发帖数: 763 | 11 人对人机， 以一敌二， 不公平。我们说人对机 only. |
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w***u
发帖数: 17713 | 14 对。这还是没有IBM专门设计的机器，IBM的一堆AI博士后，IBM请专业棋手参与设计，
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 16
Machine will start to win once the hardware can use brute force method to
evaluate each piece in real time.
When that happens, if nothing else, machine will kill human player in 围棋's
end game. |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 19 machines have the ability to beat humans too
it's just that IBM didn't invest on go
it's not about complexity
go is more complex for machines, so is for humans
machines can always see through more steps. to beat huamns, they also need
better heuristic functions...
What Deep Blue did was...IBM collected thousands thousands of replays and
stored it in DB's memeory...you just need to do the same for go -- record
all the go games since the begining of time, use machine learning to derive
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 20 elaborate on heuristic please.
derive |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 21 for example
f (current situation on the board) = [-1,1]
1=sure win
-1=sure lose
0.8=most likely to win
-0.2=slightly disadvantageous
f here is a heurstic function
for chinese chess, a very naive heurstic function would be
f = 1/6 x (# of zhu on my side - # of zhu on my opponent's side)
+ 1/6 x (# of pao on my side - # of pao on his side)
+ 1/6 x (# of ma ... - ... ) |
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h******8
发帖数: 3778 | 22 深蓝已经不可能输了
趣的尝试, 两轮结果好象是6.5:5.5, Kasparov胜. |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 23 ju not zhu
or zu not zhu |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 24 it's like starcraft, gurus know when to engage a battle...a guru engages
only when his combination of units is stronger...it's intuition...some kind
feeling based on the experiences. |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 26 how does computer handle chaos calculation?
kind |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 27 what's chaos calculation |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 28 calculus based on chaos theory |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 31 I see your point
but my argument would be
if computers can't make long term predictions, then neither can humans.
within what can done, computers should be better
humans' judgements on games are based on experiences
computers can easily gain a lot more experiences...
a 100-year-old human guru who plays 10 games per day has the experience of
around 365000 games...
computers can easily collect (and learn from) millions of games... |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 33 you assume too much
The heuristic function, if they are using it at all, cannot be that
simplistic,
the algorithm should be far more complicated than what you provided in your
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M*******s
发帖数: 763 | 34 AI太理论教条，又没有专业顶级人才写application.
如果马晓春30年前作围棋深蓝，老聂肯定没戏。 |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 35 all computer-based game players use heuristic fuctions, unless the game can
be solved using brute force
i said, it's a NAIVE heuristic function. it's an example. nevertheless, such
a naive algorithm, if running on deep blue, can still beat many amateurs.
you need a better algorithm to beat the pros
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 36
can
Well, the above statement is NOT necessarily true.That's why you were named
as a layman-sci, haha.
such |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 37 how is that, would like to know
named |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 38 Take my course then
I guarrantee you a B, you have to finish your homework to expect A though.
haha |
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M*******s
发帖数: 763 | 39 where do u teach the course? |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 40 my research is on AI...though, to be frank, ai is a broad field, and i don't
know much about computer game play.
care to educate me how could computer game players not use heuristic
functions when the game size is large? (of course, you could design a game
player that only makes dumb moves. but that is tai gang) |
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M*******s
发帖数: 763 | 41 size is less and less a concern nowadays...... |
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w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 44 围棋起源于中国古代，推测起源时间为大约公元前6世纪。传说尧的儿子丹朱顽劣，尧
发明围棋以教育丹朱，陶冶其性情。目前围棋的最早可靠记载见于春秋时期的《左傳》
，战国时期的弈秋是见于史籍的第一位棋手，最早的围棋文物可以追溯到战国時期。汉
代时棋盘为17路，南北朝时候，棋盘定型为现在的19道棋盘，傳入朝鮮半島，并且出现
了评定棋手水平的围棋九品制。
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特约记者李浩然报道
很多人认为，源于中国的围棋是世界上最精湛的智力游戏。它貌似简单，但黑白两
子在棋盘上能构成复杂的图案，几乎变换无穷。有人说，计算机离征服围棋至少还需
100年。
过去10年中，在台湾应氏基金会表示为设计出能击败围棋冠军选手的计算机程序者
奖励140万美元的激励下，设计人员不断推出水平越来越高的会下围棋的计算机。但迄
今为止，那些在国际竞赛中脱颖而出的计算机程序给人的印象是甚至敌不过刚学一年围
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z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 45 你要买的话，你现在自己都可以搞一个出来
RS/6000
维基百科，自由的百科全书
Rs/6000的H70型
RS6000是IBM公司使用其RISC架构的Power处理器设计生产的小型计算机。
由于使用了高效率的Power处理器，RS6000具有强大的处理能力，1997年击败国际象棋
大师卡斯帕罗夫的深藍计算机就是RS/6000的一个分支。但是因为性能优异，RS/6000系
列的价格也较为昂贵。
RS/6000是Risc System / 6000的简写。RS/6000通行的官方操作系统是IBM的AIX。 |
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 46 其实这是真理。不要有太大希望，选举还是选出这批人，比如毛子还是选普京，而不是
卡斯帕罗夫。 |
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Y*******o
发帖数: 2 | 47 国际象棋那个画面 用的是卡尔波夫 而不是卡斯帕罗夫
后者明显比前者要厉害啊！！！！ |
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Z****a
发帖数: 5434 | 50 苏联象棋冠军大部分不是犹太人。
阿廖欣，鲍特维尼克，斯梅斯洛夫，斯帕斯基，卡尔波夫，克拉姆尼克都是纯正俄罗斯
人。
塔尔是拉脱维亚人。凯列斯是爱沙尼亚人。彼得罗辛是亚美尼亚人。盖列尔是乌克兰人。
只有布龙斯坦是犹太人。
卡斯帕罗夫的父亲可能是犹太人，但是按照犹太的规矩是不算数的。
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