c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 1 你就是那个臭名吧？你那叫猪八戒败阵------倒打一耙。有一个王八蛋操的整天侮辱中
国女性，但是绝对不是我。 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 2 陈要这么做整个案件性质不变，对华裔的伤害会小很多。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 3 She has the privilege to access the database, the link that she send to
China is public information, so what is your problem? |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 4 难道不是他可以进入和他自己有关的那部分，中国要的那部分他无权进入？正是因为中
国要的那部分他无权进入，他才找别人去要密码，才被别人告发的。要是他有权进入还
会管别人要密码？我想他自己的密码只被限制在和他有关资料，无关资料不能进入，这
也是很常规的做法。
1.你也承认他给中国送了链接，显然中国确实管他要东西了。这个你也不否认吧?
2.他获得密码进入他不该去的地方，你也不否认吧？
3.显然他没把数据库东西直接给中国，否则就不是现在这样子了。
4.他显然给了中国进入数据库的链接，你自己都承认。
5.他显然没给中国密码，否则也不会是现在这结局。
操，没直接给资料，只给一个链接，还没密码。好事坏事都做一半，理解为最后时刻收
手合理吧？ |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 5 You think? Can you just read and educate yourself rather than spewing
nonsense here?
She can access to the database, the section she accessed is within her
privilege. So no, not No.2. Otherwise, this could be a much different story.
The link is public information, point to a government website, just like
doe.gov, or whitehouse.gov. As many such websites, some area needs password,
some doesn't. People are free to share PUBLIC information, what's your
problem? |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 6 His problem is his hatred for all Chinese, including Chinese American,
Chinese language, possibly only Han Chinese.
He hasn't answered if he is a Chinese American or not.
story.
password, |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 7 你的问题是腚眼子问题，我这里瞧不了。认为我说的有道理的人认为有道，你认为没道
理就没道理吧。
story.
password, |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 8 正是为了华裔整体的利益才要跟那些人划清界限，他们的行为伤害的是华裔整体的利益。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 9 Are you trying to tell everyone that PUBLIC information is NOT public
information after all? And Ms. Chen cannot access what she's privileged to
access?
What a convoluted person! |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 10 Come on, are you Chinese American?
If you are, I really would like to 划清界限, because I firmly believe your
behavior 伤害的是华裔整体的利益。
益。 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 11 不过陈这么做也有一个缺点，他国内的亲属肯定要倒霉。事情就是这样，他们觉得你“
可能”会帮助他们，就会做活局子夠陷你的亲属，让你为救亲属而给他们工作。但是如
果他们知道你不可能为他们工作，也就没必要做活局子害你的亲友，其实也是从另一个
方面保护你的亲友。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 12 She is not a intelligence agent on a fishing expedition. Still you try to
dodge the question, is PUBLIC information a public information, and can Ms
Chen assess information she was privileged to access?
Others are just smoke and screen.
[在 coldersteel (更帝威) 的大作中提到：]
：不过陈这么做也有一个缺点，他国内的亲属肯定要倒霉。事情就是这样，他们觉得你
“可能”会帮助他们，就会做活局子夠陷你的亲属，让你为救亲属而给他们工作。但是
如果他们知道你不可能为他们工作，也就没必要做活局子害你的亲友，其实也是从另一
个方面保护你的亲友。
：
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 13 你说呢，一个需要密码才能进入的地方，一个他没有密码进不去的地方，会是一个大家
随便去的公用资源？别说他有权进去，有权进入还没密码？有权进入还让人报案了？ |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 14 She is the employee of the agent, not ordinary Jane, so she has access to it
. Prosecutors seems agree with her rather than you. They knew they had to
answer the two same questions that I asked you, they knew they have nothing
to stand on, so the charge is dropped.
Having privilege to certain resources but do not have a password to it is
not necessarily contradictory. I may have privilege to access some company
restricted data simply because of my job function. But if my last access to
a given d... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 15 你也知道那个地方是要密码才能进入的地方，不是谁都能进的公共资源。
他比较捡便宜地方有二：1.在美国，有完善的法律系统。2.他只做了半活，没把资料真
交给中国。
it
nothing
to
mean |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 16 So? You cannot enter Pentagon without clearance, but you can tell anyone
where the Pentagon is. You either break the law, or you don't.
Now I see, you are not just Chinese-American hater, you are also American
hater, you just hate this country treasures due process and equal protection
and want to turn it into something close to Chinese legal system.
In other words, you hate the 14th Amendment, which is not uncommon from a
hard right. |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 17 如果穆罕默德问你大楼在哪里，你告诉穆罕默德大楼的地址，当然你不知道也不关心他
要地址干什么，也许他就是去那里玩玩或者找人。然后他拿炸药把大楼给炸了，你要承
担责任吗？ |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 18 Is that public information? Will AA and US be held partially responsible for
9/11? |
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H***l
发帖数: 1936 | 19 我不是choming，印象里此ID最反外F，但人不错。
不知道你当时讲了什么让choming动怒，在你的留言板上不但说你仇视中国，还说你这
么痛恨汉人。
难道你当时支持穆斯林维子暴动了？ |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 20 对，是public info。只是穆罕默德这个愣头青不知道，别人都知道。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 21 Then I do not think so. |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 22 华裔比较明智的办法是在中国别瞎勒勒，好像你什么都知道似的。
中国要问你是就是三不原则，不知道，不清楚，干不了。
苍蝇不叮无缝的鸡蛋，知道找你没用自然以后就不找了。您别张家长，李家短，周家蛤
蟆四只眼。有的也说，没的也道。这世界上没有你不知道的，没有你办不到的。 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 23 没有，因为他是汉人，而我不反对异族通婚，说反对异族通婚的是因为找不到对象才反
的。他把反他引申成反汉人，反男人，反中国。。。
其实女性追求自己的选择，与他们认为优秀的人在一起没问题。汉人有好的，也有差的
。异族有好的也有差的，华女挑好的本族，也挑好的异族有何问题？当然加入异族优秀
的进入竞争，就意味着本族差的要被淘汰，那差的总不愿意被淘汰，彻底短子绝孙，肯
定会有意见。但是淘汰劣种，引进优良种对华裔本身有好处。你如果优秀就不怕竞争，
反正有你的女人。你要是劣种自然怕竞争，竞争以后就被淘汰了。
我是不反对异族通婚，主张首选本族优秀青年，也考虑异族优秀青年。绝对不因为他是
本族，但是是一个赖包而屈就。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 24 The wise thing for the Chinese-American to do is to stay away from export-
controlled technology altogether until the climate materially changed for
good, right now and foreseeable future simply is not worth it. |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 25 这个不可能的事情，比如有国内朋友问你美国黑人怎么回事，劳模非法移民为什么大摇
大摆，美国的物流怎么优化的，等等等等。能在网上找的公开信息为什么不能分享呢？
至于国内的人如果需要密码，需要permit，那他自己想办法，自己去申请。有问题吗？
你把公司、学校、企业、机关等部门不允许下载、不允许输出的信息弄出去，那当然是
违法犯罪，被抓了，也应该愿赌服输。 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 26 也没那种必要，美国是你自己的国家，干自己感兴趣的工作就行了。你即使从事敏感工
作，但是严格按照有关规定就没事，出事的都是有擦边球动作。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 27 He want to drag US down to China's judiciary level. |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 28 咳，我说的就这意思。说三不的就是那些不是任何人都可以随便获得，需要授权和准许
的东西。
另外，有一点也要注意，美国对国内和出口有不同规定，同样东西你在美国买用在美国
就不需要任何手续，你要是出口就受到出口管制。他们也知道这一类军民两用东西的管
理规定，就有中国人试图让这边人帮助获得这类两用物资，告诉你美国没有任何限制，
让你拿到手再给他。你一转手就违反出口管制规定，责任都是你的。 |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 29 “4.他显然给了中国进入数据库的链接，你自己都承认。”
这一点有没有问题？这个“进入数据库的链接”是否是公开信息？
如果她想把信息给中国，为什么不给中国密码呢？
我的理解是，你要想看内容，自己去找我们单位的头头申请吧，我给你密码我就违反规
定或者违法了。
如果她真要做间谍工作的话，那她就会用其它方式把密码发给中国那边了。甚至是link
也用其它方式发给中国那边了。
如果“2. 他获得密码进入他不该去的地方”，这个可以依照气象局的规定进行惩罚，
解雇甚至起诉都可以的。 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 30 There are more than enough interesting things to work on to satisfy one's
own intellect curiosity, and with good pay to support own family. It doesn't
make any sense to put oneself under 100x microscope when others are under
10x microscope. |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 31 对于那些物资出口的事情，我很清楚需要申请export license，有时候需要找研究出口
的律师专门咨询。
国内的人找你，你不需要害怕，直接找厂家问：这种sensor出口到中国需要什么手续？
如果像iphone一样，那我就随便用USPS寄；如果需要export license，具体怎么操作？
如果绝对不允许寄，那我就干脆不买。
出事吃亏的人，很多是根本没有export license这种概念和意识。 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 32 我认为从内心她不想干间谍，他国内亲友犯事她才与老同学联系，才被问及那些资料。
（当然不排除她亲友犯事是中国做的圈套，就是要她去搞情报。）
另外，我觉得他没给密码是后来发现势头不对，及时收手自救。区分是自救还是最初只
想给链接也许从他们往来通讯能区分，但是两种都有可能得到现在的结果，不会变成真
间谍。
link |
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c********g
发帖数: 15629 | 33 “她亲友犯事是中国做的圈套，就是要她去搞情报”
这个我确实没想到，可能性非常大，否则哪有那么凑巧的。
我只注意老美用开会来钓鱼了，呵呵。 |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 34 I really have no interest on what you 认为, 觉得 anymore. It just couldn't
hide the fact you are a self-hater if you are a Chinese American.
我认为从内心 coldersteel is not a Chinese American, maybe he/she never will
be. Then coldersteel should really go back to China to be a pure Chinese. |
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d*******p
发帖数: 2525 | 36 因为她办公室公用一个密码，其他人需要的时候同样要问....... |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 37 常见公司政策难道不是问IT security嘛?
为什么会去问同事? 理论上同事不应该告诉她的. |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 38 Government agencies did not follow best practice, is that news? |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 39 这都是普通的policy了, 陈没有follow而已.
你认为这个agency里面的policy是你不知道或者忘了密码就去问同事? |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 40 It was reported that they share password to the database, it is her superior
needs to take the blame for not having separate password for each
individual. |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 41 忘了database的密码问IT security是常识吧, 而且基本肯定是agency的policy.
你说她supervisor应该take blame, 那她也应该take啊, 她知道这种practice违反常识
和公司policy,但没有report.
superior |
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 42 想得真多……
根据以下报道，
1.陈有相关数据库的访问权限，她只是不知道密码。
2.她没有把这个密码给中国，她下载东西因为她认为资料和她的工作相关
3.中国方面问水利设施预算情况也是casual question。陈想弄明白是基于其职业习惯。
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/business/accused-of-spying-fo
1.中国部长随便问问美国修坝的预算是怎么搞的，陈不知道，出于工程师的自尊觉得这
个问题自己不应该不知道。
Mr. Jiao’s secretary set up a 15-minute chat in his office in downtown
Beijing, and Mr. Jiao said he would try to intercede. As their conversation
wound down, he also mentioned that he was in the process of funding repairs
for China’s aging reservoir systems an... 阅读全帖 |
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S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 43 Common sense or not, in her office, the status quo was they share one
password to that database in question, everyone did it, it was SOP, and she
got picked on because...she is a ethnic Chinese. |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 44 I would be very interested to know that Ms. Lee mentioned in the NYT article
is a US spy or not. Hopefully, that Ms. Lee is not a Chinese American.
she |
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 45 As a government employee, Mrs. Chen would have had full access to the
database. But she didn’t have a password; the government began requiring
passwords in 2009, after the last time Mrs. Chen had used it. So she asked a
colleague, Ray Davis, in the adjacent cubicle, for help. Mr. Davis, who had
already provided the password and login instructions to the whole office,
emailed the password to her.
她找那个负责提供密码/登录方式的同事要密码，这个很奇怪么……
要真说责任的话，难道不是怪这个提供密码的同事没有把陈的要求转发给IT security
么？ |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 46 The tell-tell is a middle aged, white women with blond hair, who was chief
of the water management division at the Army Corps of Engineers" |
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 47 And since December 2014:
Director, Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory
NOAA: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 48 it was not that she forgot the password
when she used the database the last time before that, there was NO password
at all.
IT security can not be responsible for password of database/accounts
maintained outside of their coverage.
For example, a group of researchers share a network license of a Software.
They have a shared account with the Software provider and anyone in the
group
can get the password from the group leader to access to the shared account
for updates/patches, etc. Their IT depart... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 49 就这么简单啊，这家伙也太倒霉了。人家就随口问一个问题，她拿鸡毛当令箭，哈巴哈
巴的给中国太君送答案去了，自己弄一个间谍案出来。
最近没注意看这家伙的报道，感情是个“板角青”-----神牛啊。
惯。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 50 当然很奇怪啊.
你假设有什么系统的access权限,但你忘了密码, 你不是应该问IT security嘛? 什么时
候可以问同事"借"了?
我前面也说了. 同事也不应该给.
a
had
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