c*****5 发帖数: 196 | 1 做精算module,计算都是自己做的。但是,有少数几句英语借鉴了一下标准答案,也没
有完全照抄。结果被指责为剽窃,要求禁考一年。这种情况,请各位精算同行、前辈指
点一下,该怎么办?要请律师吗?如果要,请什么律师,花费几何?
谢谢了。 |
s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 2 等 一年 就一年了
只能等 那边 什么信息 都不会给 你要是告的话 没听过 这样的
不保证结果 |
s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 3 才一年 很轻的了 少则两年 五年 多则终身禁赛
等吧 |
s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 4 他那个是 有上诉期的 你可以吧之前做的证据 啥的 发给他重新审核
有可能会误判 我认识 不少后来 发现误判 道歉的 |
a********t 发帖数: 1810 | 5 "有少数几句英语借鉴了一下标准答案",SOA规定是在交PAPER前,不准看到答案.一句都
不行.09-09年太多的剽窃的.10年以后SOA加强了审核.如果你以是ASA或FSA,将被剥夺,
并被公布在ACTUARY 的杂志上.
我认为现在很难ARGUE了. |
c*****5 发帖数: 196 | 6 多谢各位了。一个module说我递交无关材料,其实我学得非常仔细,答案也写得非常认
真。只是太长了。看了标准答案后精简了些。绝对没有抄袭。因为module说看了答案之
后可根据答案再做修改。所以我就改了。对于这个我想是可以翻案的。(我根本就没递
交无关答案)。其实第一次答案也可以了。只是想保证万无一失就修改了自己的答案。
这个已经在今年2月通过了。另外一个我也是修改了答案。但没有抄袭,有几句语言借
鉴,计算全都是我自己的。
请教各位:
1. 什么种类律师可以帮改写申诉信?
2.哪位同行、前辈可以给出module 递交答案时最后给出的那几段关于修改答案和剽窃
答案的英文。我想仔细读一下看可否用于申诉。
3. SOA 会保存第一次递交的答案吗(我自判第一次为不合格,所以递交了两次)
4.这样我可以说我第一次递交写得非常认真??这又帮助吗?
非常感谢各位帮助!!!! |
f*a 发帖数: 36 | 7 I knew a guy in China had similar experience to yours. He was banned for two yrs.
Let us know your appeal result.
FYI
http://www.soa.org/files/pdf/edu-elearning-discipline.pdf
The penalties issued (keeping in mind that some may change due to pending appeals) are:
Warning – 84 One-year ban – 136 Two-year ban – 72 Three-year ban – 1 Five-year ban – 8 Lifetime ban – 3 Other ban - 5 Penalty overturned on appeal – 37 Case dropped – 13 candidates
A ban means the candidate has the particular exercise or assessment disqualified and is prohibited from completing that exercise or assessment as well as further modules, exercises, assessments or examinations for the indicated period. In general, bans are longer for assessments than for exercises and are also longer for repeat or multiple infractions.
Of these 359 candidates, 150 elected to appeal the SOA discipline decision. At the time of this publishing, the status of some of these appeals was: Pending – 8 candidates Appeal denied and penalty upheld – 96 Appeal denied, but ban reduced – 5
It is important to note that 34 of the candidates had been granted ASA designations based on exercises or assessments for which they no longer have credit. As a result, their ASA designations were revoked. |
a********t 发帖数: 1810 | 8 http://www.soa.org/files/pdf/edu-fsa-mods-terms.pdf
Examples of Improper Conduct (these examples are not an exclusive list of
prohibited conduct):
1. Gaining access to the SOA e-Learning system prior to course registration.
2. Plagiarizing, improperly collaborating and/or colluding on the FAP or FSA
End-of-Module Exercise(s) submissions, the FAP Interim Assessment, FAP
Final Assessment or DMAC project, copying, or using another person’s work.
3. Use of language or information that has been copied from or relied upon
from any SOA model solution (including earlier versions of the assignment),
any other candidate submission or a solution prepared by another party.
4. Copying from a source without proper citation.
5. Gaining access to FAP or FSA End-of-Module Exercise model solutions prior
to exercise submission.
6. Failing to secure work documents (e.g., storing your files on a publicly
accessible network).
7. Discussing or consulting other persons regarding the FAP Interim
Assessment.
8. Gaining access to the e-Learning system using another candidate’s User
ID and password.
9. Providing your e-Learning system User ID and password to another
candidate.
10. Taking the course, FAP or FSA End-of-Module Exercises, FAP Interim
Assessment, FAP Final Assessment or DMAC project for another candidate or
arranging for or permitting another person to take the course, End-of-Module
Exercises, FAP Interim Assessment, FAP Final Assessment or DMAC /project
for another candidate.
\11. Disclosing, publishing or posting the contents of any assessment or
model solution.
12. Presenting false information on the course or assessment applications.
13. Submitting unrelated documents in place of the required End-of-Module
Exercises, assessments or projects.
14. Purchasing or selling (or attempting to purchase or sell) any
information or materials related to the SOA e-Learning courses.
15. Submitting any false, fraudulent or misleading documentation.
16. Attempting to engage or engaging in any improper conduct.
17. Posting or transmitting any information or software that contains a
virus, Trojan horse, worm, or other disabling device or harmful component.
你可违反了3,5,12,13吧。这些都可能给你PENALTY。你要是向去SOA APEAL,就去
TRY,TRY。我认为希望不大。09年以前SOA都不查,09年开始,每年都很多. |
s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 9 等一年吧
指不定 把你从一年 变成两年的 我还不认识 有找律师申诉的 |
o********y 发帖数: 1138 | 10
You are wasting your time ...
【在 c*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 多谢各位了。一个module说我递交无关材料,其实我学得非常仔细,答案也写得非常认 : 真。只是太长了。看了标准答案后精简了些。绝对没有抄袭。因为module说看了答案之 : 后可根据答案再做修改。所以我就改了。对于这个我想是可以翻案的。(我根本就没递 : 交无关答案)。其实第一次答案也可以了。只是想保证万无一失就修改了自己的答案。 : 这个已经在今年2月通过了。另外一个我也是修改了答案。但没有抄袭,有几句语言借 : 鉴,计算全都是我自己的。 : 请教各位: : 1. 什么种类律师可以帮改写申诉信? : 2.哪位同行、前辈可以给出module 递交答案时最后给出的那几段关于修改答案和剽窃 : 答案的英文。我想仔细读一下看可否用于申诉。
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s******2 发帖数: 5274 | 12 老外的作文就是必须自己的word,任何别人的句子你都必须paraprahse的,学英文写作
的时候都有强调过很多次了 |
s*********h 发帖数: 648 | 13 这个看起来很恐怖啊
请问如果引用了assignment里面的一些话,倒不是完全一样,就是句式差不多,但没有
打引号。能算作剽窃不? 还真没注意这些 |
H******t 发帖数: 687 | 14 恩我是听说有从一年变两年的。一年其实很快就过去了。。 |
o********y 发帖数: 1138 | 15
这个关系应该不大,SOA只是用软件比较你交上去的报告和
1.标准答案
2.其他人的报告
有人08年交上去的东西过了一年还被查出来,所以一定要注意
【在 s*********h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个看起来很恐怖啊 : 请问如果引用了assignment里面的一些话,倒不是完全一样,就是句式差不多,但没有 : 打引号。能算作剽窃不? 还真没注意这些
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f*a 发帖数: 36 | 16 被ban一年其实也比较严厉了,很多公司的Actuarial Development Program要求是:
Students are expected to sit for an exam or module grouping each six-month (
or one year) period. 否则你就要被剔除这个Program,这就意味:
You exam study materials, seminars and fees might not be paid by your
company;
Study time provided during work hours would not be received, ect.
一年其实很快就过去了。。
【在 H******t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 恩我是听说有从一年变两年的。一年其实很快就过去了。。
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a*****b 发帖数: 2789 | 17 我们公司也曾经有人和你相同情况。后来她跳槽了,因为被ban了一年,从ALDP里面踢
出去了。她申诉过,没用。
我个人做module是提交以后从来不看答案,直接选能过。做下个module才看上个module
人家是怎么写的。个人感觉其实语法不是很重要,人家明白就好。别想着写得很华丽。
【在 c*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做精算module,计算都是自己做的。但是,有少数几句英语借鉴了一下标准答案,也没 : 有完全照抄。结果被指责为剽窃,要求禁考一年。这种情况,请各位精算同行、前辈指 : 点一下,该怎么办?要请律师吗?如果要,请什么律师,花费几何? : 谢谢了。
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f*a 发帖数: 36 | 18 请律师: 你要衡量一下自己。如果你有Bruce Schobel那么牛,让SOA也付给你$600K
【在 c*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做精算module,计算都是自己做的。但是,有少数几句英语借鉴了一下标准答案,也没 : 有完全照抄。结果被指责为剽窃,要求禁考一年。这种情况,请各位精算同行、前辈指 : 点一下,该怎么办?要请律师吗?如果要,请什么律师,花费几何? : 谢谢了。
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c*****5 发帖数: 196 | 19 由于我从来没有递交不相关的答案,所以我会先择申诉的。可能部分违反了#3.
Relied upon the module solution. 只怪自己不自信,自己的答案肯定也能过。选择
fail 自己,看了标准答案后,略作修改自己的答案的语言文字。
请问有没有好心人贴一下递交module solution 时, Soa elearining 给出的那几段关
于抄袭和修改自己答案 after you study the module solution, 的文字。我想看看我
到底哪里违规了。
多谢各位了。
我会自己写appealing letter, 可觉得律师可在格式语言文字方面 polish 一下。 可
能过了这一年,我就没机会考试了 |
a********t 发帖数: 1810 | 20 公司怎么知道的呢,你们怎么知道的?
module
【在 a*****b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我们公司也曾经有人和你相同情况。后来她跳槽了,因为被ban了一年,从ALDP里面踢 : 出去了。她申诉过,没用。 : 我个人做module是提交以后从来不看答案,直接选能过。做下个module才看上个module : 人家是怎么写的。个人感觉其实语法不是很重要,人家明白就好。别想着写得很华丽。
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f*a 发帖数: 36 | 21 If I were you, I would not appeal for it. First you acknowledge plagiarism.
It is quite enough to ban you for one year. What for if you are going to
appeal? Your penalty might be upheld if you would do it. Keep us posted if you want to appeal for it. Good luck!
FYI, here is the case that SOA wrongfully accused of plagiarism and the
appeal was disapproved.
http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuarial_discussion_forum/show
【在 c*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 由于我从来没有递交不相关的答案,所以我会先择申诉的。可能部分违反了#3. : Relied upon the module solution. 只怪自己不自信,自己的答案肯定也能过。选择 : fail 自己,看了标准答案后,略作修改自己的答案的语言文字。 : 请问有没有好心人贴一下递交module solution 时, Soa elearining 给出的那几段关 : 于抄袭和修改自己答案 after you study the module solution, 的文字。我想看看我 : 到底哪里违规了。 : 多谢各位了。 : 我会自己写appealing letter, 可觉得律师可在格式语言文字方面 polish 一下。 可 : 能过了这一年,我就没机会考试了
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a*****b 发帖数: 2789 | 22 是真是假不知道,但公司大多数考试的人都知道这件事情(不论真假),一个哥们还拿
她做例子警告我别看答案。这个人也确实在公司呆过,然后离职了。当然具体原因没人
清楚。
【在 a********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 公司怎么知道的呢,你们怎么知道的? : : module
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c*****5 发帖数: 196 | 23 Thanks, FSA. unbelievable. Actually I also use 'try and error'.
two evidence said by SOA: submitted unrelated material & Plagiarizing part
material from the module solution.
But the first one is obvious wrong. I can prove that all of material is to
answer the excersise. Also I didn't plagiarizing. I just revised my answer
after I studied the module solution. Several non-essential language is
similar. Such as see the following table/per your request.
Don't understand why SOA allow the candidates revise the answer based on the
learnings from the module solution. BTW, this is just an
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f*a 发帖数: 36 | 24 If it were an exam or assessment in your case,you would have had been banned
for two yrs. The lady I mentioned in that case had been banned for two yrs
and her ASA title taken away as well.
BTW, this is just an
【在 c*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Thanks, FSA. unbelievable. Actually I also use 'try and error'. : two evidence said by SOA: submitted unrelated material & Plagiarizing part : material from the module solution. : But the first one is obvious wrong. I can prove that all of material is to : answer the excersise. Also I didn't plagiarizing. I just revised my answer : after I studied the module solution. Several non-essential language is : similar. Such as see the following table/per your request. : Don't understand why SOA allow the candidates revise the answer based on the : learnings from the module solution. BTW, this is just an : excersise, not an exam or assessment.
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s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 25 呵呵 这个世界有不透风的墙吗
混得好 不是这么容易的
【在 a*****b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 是真是假不知道,但公司大多数考试的人都知道这件事情(不论真假),一个哥们还拿 : 她做例子警告我别看答案。这个人也确实在公司呆过,然后离职了。当然具体原因没人 : 清楚。
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