R*N
发帖数: 2173 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 PhotoGear 讨论区 】
发信人: RVN (银河战舰的桅杆), 信区: PhotoGear
标 题: 无敌兔眼中的iphone 4
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 13 19:08:33 2010, 美东)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/4695267529/sizes/o/
赞2kw像素
iPhone 4的屏幕分辨率提升至了业界领先的960*640，每平方英寸像素数量达到326
个，在一英尺（约30厘米）距离外观看的精度号称已超过人眼像素识别极限。看来只有
2000万像素专业单反的原图才能象显微镜一样将这块彪悍屏幕的像素点逐一区分开来。 |
g*****u
发帖数: 14294 | |
n***d
发帖数: 8857 | 3 我早就说了，很多相机背后那块显示屏的像素很早就超过iphone4了
【在 R*N 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 PhotoGear 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RVN (银河战舰的桅杆), 信区: PhotoGear
: 标 题: 无敌兔眼中的iphone 4
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 13 19:08:33 2010, 美东)
: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/4695267529/sizes/o/
: 赞2kw像素
: iPhone 4的屏幕分辨率提升至了业界领先的960*640，每平方英寸像素数量达到326
: 个，在一英尺（约30厘米）距离外观看的精度号称已超过人眼像素识别极限。看来只有
: 2000万像素专业单反的原图才能象显微镜一样将这块彪悍屏幕的像素点逐一区分开来。
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 4 这次是LG专门为iphone4生产的 18个月前连fab都没有 lol
【在 g*****u 的大作中提到】
: 好!
: LG的屏果然登峰造极!
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 5 这年头，那个口袋机，调到微距，拍这个随便，哪需要兔子
不过把典型10寸屏的分辨率挤到那个小东西上是挺不容易的
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【在 R*N 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 PhotoGear 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RVN (银河战舰的桅杆), 信区: PhotoGear
: 标 题: 无敌兔眼中的iphone 4
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 13 19:08:33 2010, 美东)
: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/4695267529/sizes/o/
: 赞2kw像素
: iPhone 4的屏幕分辨率提升至了业界领先的960*640，每平方英寸像素数量达到326
: 个，在一英尺（约30厘米）距离外观看的精度号称已超过人眼像素识别极限。看来只有
: 2000万像素专业单反的原图才能象显微镜一样将这块彪悍屏幕的像素点逐一区分开来。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 6 这么夸张？这得卖掉几亿片才能收回成本了
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 这次是LG专门为iphone4生产的 18个月前连fab都没有 lol
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 7 不夸张 LG看准了iphone4会卖的比较好
这次apple在LCD屏幕下了大功夫 用了最好的技术
成本不低啊
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 这么夸张？这得卖掉几亿片才能收回成本了
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 8 link?
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 不夸张 LG看准了iphone4会卖的比较好
: 这次apple在LCD屏幕下了大功夫 用了最好的技术
: 成本不低啊
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 9 没有...内部消息 呵呵
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: link?
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 10 LG一个季度出产5~6M平方米的LCD成品,
估算一下，一个厂子一个季度能生产500KM2,或者5Msqft，或者100M个iphone屏
iphone4一年准备卖五亿个？俺得卖果子股票去
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 没有...内部消息 呵呵
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 11 每平方英寸326，每个pixel 1毫米见方?
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【在 R*N 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 PhotoGear 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RVN (银河战舰的桅杆), 信区: PhotoGear
: 标 题: 无敌兔眼中的iphone 4
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 13 19:08:33 2010, 美东)
: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/4695267529/sizes/o/
: 赞2kw像素
: iPhone 4的屏幕分辨率提升至了业界领先的960*640，每平方英寸像素数量达到326
: 个，在一英尺（约30厘米）距离外观看的精度号称已超过人眼像素识别极限。看来只有
: 2000万像素专业单反的原图才能象显微镜一样将这块彪悍屏幕的像素点逐一区分开来。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 12 sensor分辨率高，那块机背lcd好的930k点而已，
3点一个pixel,还是果子的好些
【在 n***d 的大作中提到】
: 我早就说了，很多相机背后那块显示屏的像素很早就超过iphone4了
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n***d
发帖数: 8857 | 13 come on, iphone 4 screen only has 615K pixels. lots of cameras' lcds have
900K pixels.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: sensor分辨率高，那块机背lcd好的930k点而已，
: 3点一个pixel,还是果子的好些
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 14 gen4 or what?
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: LG一个季度出产5~6M平方米的LCD成品,
: 估算一下，一个厂子一个季度能生产500KM2,或者5Msqft，或者100M个iphone屏
: iphone4一年准备卖五亿个？俺得卖果子股票去
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 15 if you check, it is 930k dots, not pixel. 3 dots is one pixel.
somewhere is dpreview they mentioned the difference.
NC are both good at marketing.
【在 n***d 的大作中提到】
: come on, iphone 4 screen only has 615K pixels. lots of cameras' lcds have
: 900K pixels.
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n***d
发帖数: 8857 | 16 do yo mean 3 dots per pixel? then iphone win 20+% considering the screen size.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: if you check, it is 930k dots, not pixel. 3 dots is one pixel.
: somewhere is dpreview they mentioned the difference.
: NC are both good at marketing.
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l******g
发帖数: 273 | 17 960*640=614,400
需要2000万像素的图片才能清晰显示？
你们真的知道啥叫象素啥叫分辨率？ |
a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 18 iphone gen4 or LCD gen4?
iphone current sale rate should be somewhere around 6M per quarter.
u really believe LG will build a fab that capable of making
120M iphone screen per quarter for iphone4?
it is possible iphone4 screen happen to made in a new fab.
but a new fab for iphone simply rediculous.
it will take only less than 10% of its capacity.
current generation of LCD fab should be gen9, at least gen 8.
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: gen4 or what?
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 19 that is about right.
for LCD, pixel is RGB 3 dots.
only N/C use dots instead pixel to confuse ppl.
even that, the 930K screen does look good.
size.
【在 n***d 的大作中提到】
: do yo mean 3 dots per pixel? then iphone win 20+% considering the screen size.
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 20 我知道的是Samsung那边 对于目前iphone4屏幕的技术
gen4已经开始生产了 正在push gen10..
我当然相信这个fab是18各月内建好的 Apple负责这个项目的头
在这个问题上没有必要骗我 lol 大家都那么熟
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: iphone gen4 or LCD gen4?
: iphone current sale rate should be somewhere around 6M per quarter.
: u really believe LG will build a fab that capable of making
: 120M iphone screen per quarter for iphone4?
: it is possible iphone4 screen happen to made in a new fab.
: but a new fab for iphone simply rediculous.
: it will take only less than 10% of its capacity.
: current generation of LCD fab should be gen9, at least gen 8.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 21 gen4? so they are simly retool the line?
gen4 is something like 15 year old?
is Samsung or LG? Samsung doesn't have the IPS technology or
it get permits? that will be fun.
seems it is making in a new fab or retooled fab.
but claiming the fab is built for iphone 4 is kind of funny.
but you may be right, gen4 use really small substrate therefore
might produce only 1/10 or less on a gen8 fab.
in era of gen10, gen4 is more like a R&D pilot line and
hard to claim it as something like state-of-art thi
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 我知道的是Samsung那边 对于目前iphone4屏幕的技术
: gen4已经开始生产了 正在push gen10..
: 我当然相信这个fab是18各月内建好的 Apple负责这个项目的头
: 在这个问题上没有必要骗我 lol 大家都那么熟
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 22 基于a-Si的gen4是很久远的事情了....
但是iphone4不是a-Si的backplane
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: gen4? so they are simly retool the line?
: gen4 is something like 15 year old?
: is Samsung or LG? Samsung doesn't have the IPS technology or
: it get permits? that will be fun.
: seems it is making in a new fab or retooled fab.
: but claiming the fab is built for iphone 4 is kind of funny.
: but you may be right, gen4 use really small substrate therefore
: might produce only 1/10 or less on a gen8 fab.
: in era of gen10, gen4 is more like a R&D pilot line and
: hard to claim it as something like state-of-art thi
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 23 no a-Si? finally some meaningful new infor:)
running a-Si transistor with small size is indeed something new.
reponse could be really bad if the thin film is not tuned right.
this is more important than the gyroscope thing and might be more
important than the A4.
but samsung still really confusing. AMOLED? that will be iphone 5, right?
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 基于a-Si的gen4是很久远的事情了....
: 但是iphone4不是a-Si的backplane
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 24 iphone4是LG的IPS，但不是a-Si的 a-Si不能做到这个aspect ratio
是啥技术内行的基本到这里就知道了 呵呵
AMOLED比较难，目前来说yield和产量是个问题，虽然apple当初本来
打算上OLED，但是考虑到数量和质量，不敢冒这个风险，就放弃了
iphone5也不一定是AMOLED，apple负责iphone显示部分的人hate oled,嘿嘿
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: no a-Si? finally some meaningful new infor:)
: running a-Si transistor with small size is indeed something new.
: reponse could be really bad if the thin film is not tuned right.
: this is more important than the gyroscope thing and might be more
: important than the A4.
: but samsung still really confusing. AMOLED? that will be iphone 5, right?
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 25 Apple will use OLED when the tech has matured and become a better choice
overall. Currently OLED is not an overall better product compared to things
like IPS retina display. But OLED is better than previous iPhone display.
Therefore when upgrading, Apple chose IPS not OLED.
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: iphone4是LG的IPS，但不是a-Si的 a-Si不能做到这个aspect ratio
: 是啥技术内行的基本到这里就知道了 呵呵
: AMOLED比较难，目前来说yield和产量是个问题，虽然apple当初本来
: 打算上OLED，但是考虑到数量和质量，不敢冒这个风险，就放弃了
: iphone5也不一定是AMOLED，apple负责iphone显示部分的人hate oled,嘿嘿
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 26
it is a 10year old tech. but get the right film on gen10 could be quite
challenge. uniform anealing over almost 10m2 does require some R&D :)
that is why they pilot on gen4 first? if that is the case,
some shortage might be there at ip4 launch.
but aspect ratio? did you mean aperture ratio?
OLED yield and lifetime still a long standing issue.
even though 3* is really good at QC, it will be still big headache.
OLED or not will be more a marketing/business decision rather
then technology decision
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: iphone4是LG的IPS，但不是a-Si的 a-Si不能做到这个aspect ratio
: 是啥技术内行的基本到这里就知道了 呵呵
: AMOLED比较难，目前来说yield和产量是个问题，虽然apple当初本来
: 打算上OLED，但是考虑到数量和质量，不敢冒这个风险，就放弃了
: iphone5也不一定是AMOLED，apple负责iphone显示部分的人hate oled,嘿嘿
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 27 iphone要是没这么大销量 早就用OLED了
things
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Apple will use OLED when the tech has matured and become a better choice
: overall. Currently OLED is not an overall better product compared to things
: like IPS retina display. But OLED is better than previous iPhone display.
: Therefore when upgrading, Apple chose IPS not OLED.
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 28 hehe absolutely correct :)
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
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: it is a 10year old tech. but get the right film on gen10 could be quite
: challenge. uniform anealing over almost 10m2 does require some R&D :)
: that is why they pilot on gen4 first? if that is the case,
: some shortage might be there at ip4 launch.
: but aspect ratio? did you mean aperture ratio?
: OLED yield and lifetime still a long standing issue.
: even though 3* is really good at QC, it will be still big headache.
: OLED or not will be more a marketing/business decision rather
: then technology decision
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 29 that might be right. OLED will be a lot easier to marketing.
but using 3* as vendor for all key component is not a very good idea.
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: iphone要是没这么大销量 早就用OLED了
:
: things
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 30 BTW, the ip4 is RGB LCD?
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: iphone要是没这么大销量 早就用OLED了
:
: things
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 31 color filter
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: BTW, the ip4 is RGB LCD?
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 32 Probably not. Apple emphazie on usability of features that they decided to
put into iPhone or any product, as much as possible.
For example, the touch screen has to work perfectly.
And because it is a phone that people use outside often, it has to be
readable under bright light outdoors. OLED is only starting to address
direct sunlight issues.
It is also said that OLED such as in Zune doesn't save power unless the UI
is mostly black and dark.
but of course limited OLED production is also an impo
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: iphone要是没这么大销量 早就用OLED了
:
: things
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 33 去看看三星的super AMOLED吧
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Probably not. Apple emphazie on usability of features that they decided to
: put into iPhone or any product, as much as possible.
: For example, the touch screen has to work perfectly.
: And because it is a phone that people use outside often, it has to be
: readable under bright light outdoors. OLED is only starting to address
: direct sunlight issues.
: It is also said that OLED such as in Zune doesn't save power unless the UI
: is mostly black and dark.
: but of course limited OLED production is also an impo
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 34 so more "new" features to add in future:)
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: color filter
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 35 LED is natively better than LCD in bright enviroment.
it also natively better in color reproduction.
power consumption still hard to say right now
due to poor LED characteristics. but definitely have more room left.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Probably not. Apple emphazie on usability of features that they decided to
: put into iPhone or any product, as much as possible.
: For example, the touch screen has to work perfectly.
: And because it is a phone that people use outside often, it has to be
: readable under bright light outdoors. OLED is only starting to address
: direct sunlight issues.
: It is also said that OLED such as in Zune doesn't save power unless the UI
: is mostly black and dark.
: but of course limited OLED production is also an impo
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 36 呵呵 也许吧 LCD快到头了 :P
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: so more "new" features to add in future:)
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 37 No. OLED is not natively better. Especially if it cannot reflect light but
completely rely on light emission from itself.
If its color reproduction is better, how come all the reviews I've seen on
OLED phones, such as review on N1's color reproductions, are poor?
It is easy to educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED#Disadvantages
I assume you use LED to stand for OLED.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: LED is natively better than LCD in bright enviroment.
: it also natively better in color reproduction.
: power consumption still hard to say right now
: due to poor LED characteristics. but definitely have more room left.
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 38 scew wiki...who cares that crap?
OLED is natively better, no doubt in my mind.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: No. OLED is not natively better. Especially if it cannot reflect light but
: completely rely on light emission from itself.
: If its color reproduction is better, how come all the reviews I've seen on
: OLED phones, such as review on N1's color reproductions, are poor?
: It is easy to educate yourself:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED#Disadvantages
: I assume you use LED to stand for OLED.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 39 with several my groupmates doing several phds in OLED, i think i know enough
:)
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: No. OLED is not natively better. Especially if it cannot reflect light but
: completely rely on light emission from itself.
: If its color reproduction is better, how come all the reviews I've seen on
: OLED phones, such as review on N1's color reproductions, are poor?
: It is easy to educate yourself:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED#Disadvantages
: I assume you use LED to stand for OLED.
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 40 that's why!
of course those people will tell anyone OLED is better! or how will they get
funding, EB1, etc?
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: with several my groupmates doing several phds in OLED, i think i know enough
: :)
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 41 zan belief!
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: scew wiki...who cares that crap?
: OLED is natively better, no doubt in my mind.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 42 hehe,maybe.
i also train to reading charts, color space etc.
get
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: that's why!
: of course those people will tell anyone OLED is better! or how will they get
: funding, EB1, etc?
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 43 zan faith
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: zan belief!
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R********n
发帖数: 417 | 44 拿最好的LCD和Super AMOLED放在一起 真是比不过 呵呵
get
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: that's why!
: of course those people will tell anyone OLED is better! or how will they get
: funding, EB1, etc?
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