w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 1 看来傅思涛自以为是老乔心腹, 得罪了不少人, 果果内部大部分人都拥护中央的决定.
但是软件部现在有些担心未来的走向. 可以理解.
不好的消息是现在果果搞"schedule driven".
http://gigaom.com/2012/10/29/from-inside-apple-the-scott-forsta
There has been a lot of talk about Scott Forstall being asked to sign an
apology letter for the Apple Maps debacle. He refused. None of my sources
were able to confirm this bit of news, though The New York Times reported
that is indeed the case.
Forstall’s firing was met with a sense of quiet jubilation, especially
among people who worked in the engineering groups. Or as one of my sources
quipped: there are a lot of people going for celebratory drinks, even if
there is a little bit of doubt about their roles in the future.
While the now-rescinded resignation of Bob Mansfield was masterfully
planned, my sources say that Forstall’s exit was fairly last minute and not
something he initiated. Many within the iOS and OS X teams only heard about
it minutes after the news went out. Engineers were caught off guard, a
source told me.
Many feel that Craig Federighi, who is taking over Forstall’s job in
addition to overseeing the Mac OS X software business, is someone who needs
to prove himself. He is not as decisive and divisive as Forstall.
There is a sense of excitement around Jony Ive taking over as head of
the newly created human interface group. The reason for the excitement: hope
for a new design direction for many software products. Most think Eddy Cue
taking over Siri and Maps is a smart and natural thing to do.
According to my sources, there have been fissures in the management team
for a while. Steve Jobs and Forstall were close, but none of the executives
really cared for the deposed iOS chief. He really built a reputation by
executing on Steve’s vision and acting as Steve’s mouthpiece.
Forstall had less-than-pleasant relationships with many senior
executives, including Cue and Mansfield. My sources confirm what the Times
reported earlier – Ive and Forstall had a rocky relationship . | w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 2 靠, 还有, 私立中央, 谋反企图, 罪加一等.
这的是果果版的影帝大战平西王.
http://gdgt.com/discuss/senior-vp-of-ios-scott-forstall-is-out-
ter Steve's death, Forstall was known to be consolidating power among the
ranks at Apple. This kind of thing never bodes well -- for anyone. Blatant
power grabs lead to infighting and dysfunction as senior management all of a
sudden have to start watching their backs instead of collaborating on
product and direction. It's simply never healthy, and definitely never
sustainable. Something has to give, and it looks like we know what.
看来傅思涛自以为是老乔心腹, 得罪了不少人, 果果内部大部分人都拥护中央的决定.
但是软件部现在有些担心未来的走向. 可以理解.
不好的消息是现在果果搞"schedule driven".
http://gigaom.com/2012/10/29/from-inside-apple-the-scott-forsta
There has been a lot of talk about Scott Forstall being asked to sign an
apology letter for the Apple Maps debacle. He refused. None of my sources
were able to confirm this bit of news, though The New York Times reported
that is indeed the case.
Forstall’s firing was met with a sense of quiet jubilation, especially
among people who worked in the engineering groups. Or as one of my sources
quipped: there are a lot of people going for celebratory drinks, even if
there is a little bit of doubt about their roles in the future.
While the now-rescinded resignation of Bob Mansfield was masterfully
planned, my sources say that Forstall’s exit was fairly last minute and not
something he initiated. Many within the iOS and OS X teams only heard about
it minutes after the news went out. Engineers were caught off guard, a
source told me.
Many feel that Craig Federighi, who is taking over Forstall’s job in
addition to overseeing the Mac OS X software business, is someone who needs
to prove himself. He is not as decisive and divisive as Forstall.
There is a sense of excitement around Jony Ive taking over as head of
the newly created human interface group. The reason for the excitement: hope
for a new design direction for many software products. Most think Eddy Cue
taking over Siri and Maps is a smart and natural thing to do.
According to my sources, there have been fissures in the management team
for a while. Steve Jobs and Forstall were close, but none of the executives
really cared for the deposed iOS chief. He really built a reputation by
executing on Steve’s vision and acting as Steve’s mouthpiece.
Forstall had less-than-pleasant relationships with many senior
executives, including Cue and Mansfield. My sources confirm what the Times
reported earlier – Ive and Forstall had a rocky relationship .
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 看来傅思涛自以为是老乔心腹, 得罪了不少人, 果果内部大部分人都拥护中央的决定.
: 但是软件部现在有些担心未来的走向. 可以理解.
: 不好的消息是现在果果搞"schedule driven".
: http://gigaom.com/2012/10/29/from-inside-apple-the-scott-forsta
: There has been a lot of talk about Scott Forstall being asked to sign an
: apology letter for the Apple Maps debacle. He refused. None of my sources
: were able to confirm this bit of news, though The New York Times reported
: that is indeed the case.
: Forstall’s firing was met with a sense of quiet jubilation, especially
: among people who worked in the engineering groups. Or as one of my sources
| h*******e
发帖数: 404 | 3 看来 cook 很牛啊。这么平静地干掉了 Forstall.
a
.
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 靠, 还有, 私立中央, 谋反企图, 罪加一等.
: 这的是果果版的影帝大战平西王.
: http://gdgt.com/discuss/senior-vp-of-ios-scott-forstall-is-out-
: ter Steve's death, Forstall was known to be consolidating power among the
: ranks at Apple. This kind of thing never bodes well -- for anyone. Blatant
: power grabs lead to infighting and dysfunction as senior management all of a
: sudden have to start watching their backs instead of collaborating on
: product and direction. It's simply never healthy, and definitely never
: sustainable. Something has to give, and it looks like we know what.
:
| w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 4 with more news coming out, it seems scott should let go.
lol | a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 5 你又变卦了
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: with more news coming out, it seems scott should let go.
: lol
| m**m
发帖数: 5500 | 6 你昨天发的本来就有点感情用事。arrogance难道是apple应该继承的？难道人人都是
jobs.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: with more news coming out, it seems scott should let go.
: lol
| m*****a
发帖数: 306 | 7 对。不是jobs,非把自己当jobs。
【在 m**m 的大作中提到】
: 你昨天发的本来就有点感情用事。arrogance难道是apple应该继承的？难道人人都是
: jobs.
| w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 8 我总觉得ios 是给苹果带来活力的主要因素，ios 也太重要了点。觉得cook 搞掉scott
forstall 是权斗，现在看scott forstall 更爱权斗。苹果内部怎么回事知道的太少。
对于johny 接受ios 的界面还是感觉有点跨行。
拭目以待。
【在 m**m 的大作中提到】
: 你昨天发的本来就有点感情用事。arrogance难道是apple应该继承的？难道人人都是
: jobs.
|
| h*******t
发帖数: 2679 | 9 厨子彻底砸了jobs的规矩啊。居然搞schedule driven。厨子是个MBA吗？
.
an
especially
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 看来傅思涛自以为是老乔心腹, 得罪了不少人, 果果内部大部分人都拥护中央的决定.
: 但是软件部现在有些担心未来的走向. 可以理解.
: 不好的消息是现在果果搞"schedule driven".
: http://gigaom.com/2012/10/29/from-inside-apple-the-scott-forsta
: There has been a lot of talk about Scott Forstall being asked to sign an
: apology letter for the Apple Maps debacle. He refused. None of my sources
: were able to confirm this bit of news, though The New York Times reported
: that is indeed the case.
: Forstall’s firing was met with a sense of quiet jubilation, especially
: among people who worked in the engineering groups. Or as one of my sources
| c******g
发帖数: 1611 | 10 大厨的确是MBA。
【在 h*******t 的大作中提到】
: 厨子彻底砸了jobs的规矩啊。居然搞schedule driven。厨子是个MBA吗？
:
: .
: an
: especially
| h*******t
发帖数: 2679 | 11 果然阿，MBA害人阿。
【在 c******g 的大作中提到】
: 大厨的确是MBA。
| c******g
发帖数: 1611 | 12 基本就是下一个微软的SB。
【在 h*******t 的大作中提到】
: 果然阿，MBA害人阿。
| c********g
发帖数: 1173 | 13 说说我的看法。
我是支持吧forstall干掉的。很早以前看过biz week是专访他的一片文章。那时候jobs
还在。但觉着这个人太难用了。恐怕就像年羹尧那种，只有jobs才镇得住。他肯定不服
厨子。别的人就更看不上了。象IOS，一个系统，搞出两套UI来，看看game center就知
道了。一个大公司高层有这么个人物，根本没法collaborate。他牛的时候确实牛，但
出了错也是一塌糊涂。想siri和map，完全是不懂这一行造成的。别人的建议他恐怕也
听不进去。
但我担心的是接手的这位craig。我听到很多news都说这人很中庸。但在osx和ios这一
块，forstall的那个狠劲还是需要的。android的andy rubin就是这么个主。我很担心
craig还是这么不紧不慢的，一两年之后ios的大好江山就没戏了。
反正我是不打算hold AAPL的股票了。过了年就除了。厨子的眼光也是问题，retail搞
出了个这么一人。 | i*****o
发帖数: 1714 | 14 这都是一面之词，谁知道背后怎么回事？
再说map也不是那么差，你妈CEO出来道歉就是sb一个。别人造假污蔑自己的儿子，你却
当众扇自家孩子的耳光，什么鸟人啊。
换ivy就行了吗，apple这两年被android赶上来，只有一个理由，没有大屏。是谁在不
停地说大屏没用？不是ivy吗？说不定forsatll就是因为这个和他们吵翻天了。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 靠, 还有, 私立中央, 谋反企图, 罪加一等.
: 这的是果果版的影帝大战平西王.
: http://gdgt.com/discuss/senior-vp-of-ios-scott-forstall-is-out-
: ter Steve's death, Forstall was known to be consolidating power among the
: ranks at Apple. This kind of thing never bodes well -- for anyone. Blatant
: power grabs lead to infighting and dysfunction as senior management all of a
: sudden have to start watching their backs instead of collaborating on
: product and direction. It's simply never healthy, and definitely never
: sustainable. Something has to give, and it looks like we know what.
:
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