G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: GoBlue (Wolverines), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 【说得很好的一段话】
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 29 15:45:17 2014, 美东)
"I've been a deep believer my whole life. 18 years as a Southern Baptist.
More than 40 years as a mainline Protestant. I'm an ordained pastor. But it'
s just stopped making sense to me. You see people doing terrible things in
the name of religion, and you think: 'Those people believe just as strongly
as I do. They're just as convinced as I am.' And it just doesn't make sense
anymore. It doesn't make sense to believe in a God that dabbles in people's
lives. If a plane crashes, and one person survives, everyone thanks God.
They say: 'God had a purpose for that person. God saved her for a reason!'
Do we not realize how cruel that is? Do we not realize how cruel it is to
say that if God had a purpose for that person, he also had a purpose in
killing everyone else on that plane? And a purpose in starving millions of
children? A purpose in slavery and genocide? For every time you say that
there's a purpose behind one person's success, you invalidate billions of
people. You say there is a purpose to their suffering. And that's just cruel
." |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 2 You say there is a purpose to their suffering. And that's just cruel
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why it's cruel? Everything in earth is created by GOD.He can do whatever he
wants. |
c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 3 神不是爱世人么……
而且如果他可以为所欲为，那为毛要信他……反正信不信他他都为所欲为。
he
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: You say there is a purpose to their suffering. And that's just cruel
: =================
: why it's cruel? Everything in earth is created by GOD.He can do whatever he
: wants.
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B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 4 没找到逻辑
你信他和他为所欲为之间有矛盾么？
【在 c****p 的大作中提到】
: 神不是爱世人么……
: 而且如果他可以为所欲为，那为毛要信他……反正信不信他他都为所欲为。
:
: he
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B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 5 你们都反对基督爷么？
richard feynman也不信上帝，不过比你们得感情来的朴素很多
【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: GoBlue (Wolverines), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 【说得很好的一段话】
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 29 15:45:17 2014, 美东)
"I've been a deep believer my whole life. 18 years as a Southern Baptist.
More than 40 years as a mainline Protestant. I'm an ordained pastor. But it'
s just stopped making sense to me. You see people doing terrible things in
the name of religion, and you think: 'Those people believe just as strongly
as I do. They're just as convinced as I am.' And it just doesn't make sense
anymore. It doesn't make sense to believe in a God that dabbles in people's
lives. If a plane crashes, and one person survives, everyone thanks God.
They say: 'God had a purpose for that person. God saved her for a reason!'
Do we not realize how cruel that is? Do we not realize how cruel it is to
say that if God had a purpose for that person, he also had a purpose in
killing everyone else on that plane? And a purpose in starving millions of
children? A purpose in slavery and genocide? For every time you say that
there's a purpose behind one person's success, you invalidate billions of
people. You say there is a purpose to their suffering. And that's just cruel
."
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
: 发信人: GoBlue (Wolverines), 信区: WaterWorld
: 标 题: 【说得很好的一段话】
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 29 15:45:17 2014, 美东)
: "I've been a deep believer my whole life. 18 years as a Southern Baptist.
: More than 40 years as a mainline Protestant. I'm an ordained pastor. But it'
: s just stopped making sense to me. You see people doing terrible things in
: the name of religion, and you think: 'Those people believe just as strongly
: as I do. They're just as convinced as I am.' And it just doesn't make sense
: anymore. It doesn't make sense to believe in a God that dabbles in people's
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 6 同意这个.
我造了个机器人,这个机器人竟然不听我的话,那我要这个机器人干什么? 推掉从来就是
了.
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 没找到逻辑
: 你信他和他为所欲为之间有矛盾么？
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 7 基督徒们不是成天吹自己不是机器人，是神给了他们自由意志么……
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 同意这个.
: 我造了个机器人,这个机器人竟然不听我的话,那我要这个机器人干什么? 推掉从来就是
: 了.
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 8 不是说信他得永生，有恩典么……
如果他不区分信他的和不信他的而为所欲为，那为毛要信他？
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 没找到逻辑
: 你信他和他为所欲为之间有矛盾么？
|
B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 9 为所欲为不是说什么都干；
重点在‘欲’上，不信他可能就‘欲’你，信就饶了你。。。
要攻击它，你得花点功夫研究一下吧，太盲目了
【在 c****p 的大作中提到】
: 不是说信他得永生，有恩典么……
: 如果他不区分信他的和不信他的而为所欲为，那为毛要信他？
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 晕倒,就说你逻辑不行, 我拿机器人做个类比而已.
自由意志是不错阿,所以神没有强迫你信他阿,但你也不能强迫他不毁灭你是不是?
【在 c****p 的大作中提到】
: 基督徒们不是成天吹自己不是机器人，是神给了他们自由意志么……
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 11 呵呵呵呵呵呵。
某版我也没少去。
不信他他就毁灭我，信他他就饶了我。
这叫“公正而慈爱”的神么……你尼玛分明是黑社会老大。
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 为所欲为不是说什么都干；
: 重点在‘欲’上，不信他可能就‘欲’你，信就饶了你。。。
: 要攻击它，你得花点功夫研究一下吧，太盲目了
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c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 12 你老毛病又犯了。
问题在于他也没给信了就不会毁灭你的保证，或者说这个保证并不完全起作用。
每年有多少基督徒死于意外？
对于基督徒来说，自由意志有两个作用：
1.为那些做了错事的人开脱主的责任：这件坏事主已经施加了影响来阻止发生，但是这
是这个做坏事的人的自由意志，主没有办法阻止。
2.或多或少不让信主的人看起来完全像个奴隶：我们不完全受主的控制，我们还有自由
意志。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 晕倒,就说你逻辑不行, 我拿机器人做个类比而已.
: 自由意志是不错阿,所以神没有强迫你信他阿,但你也不能强迫他不毁灭你是不是?
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