wh 发帖数: 141625 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Poetry 讨论区 】
发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Poetry
标 题: Khajuraho, India: Religious Eroticism
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 01:23:02 2013, 美东)
看silverblade写Khajuraho的诗和照片,想起以前贴过的Khajuraho图片和其他相关的
书歌影的零碎感想:
上次说好要贴印度古寺庙Khajuraho的雕塑照片。后来连带又想起来Bernini的富有争议
的St Theresa雕塑,想起来小说《Da Vinci Code》和电影《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的
密教组织涉及eroticism的宗教仪式的镜头,还想起来enigma演唱组最早那盒专辑里的
主打歌曲,也涉及religious eroticism。
先贴Khajuraho——印度中部一寺庙,建于9-12世纪之间,其雕塑以eroticism著称。
画册为《Khajuraho》:Photographs by Raghu Rai, text by Louis Frédéric,
1992, London: Laurence King.
作者强调没有pornographic intention。你们看看如何。
1.“Shape”
In India, femininity has always been expressed by fullness of the (
resplendent) breasts, belly and hips: the promise of fertility, carnal
pleasure and perfection. Homage to the body of woman—mother and mistress
combined—is also homage to the creative power of the gods. Thus the
sculptors have done their utmost to portray the female body as sensually as
possible. The jewels adorning it serve only to emphasize the roundness of
the curves.
上面那幅,左边女孩的害羞状挺好玩的。这里还有一个害羞:
2.“Shy”
The passion of this divine embrace is accentuated by the golden light of
sunset. The woman stands on tiptoe, a pose rarely depicted in Indian
sculpture, as if trying to get closer to the face of the divinity she clasps
in her arms.
3. “Takeoff”
The woman undressing or undoing her belt is a frequent theme in the art of
Khajuraho.
4.“Hand”
No sexual position or form of caress with hands or mouths is omitted, for
the woman’s role is to give pleasure in every possible way, just as the
follower of the divinity must satisfy the object of his love with all his
strength and soul. In traditional Indian society the husband represents the
god to his wife, The lover is idealized in the same way.
The imagination of the Khajuraho sculptors knows no bounds in the
representation and glorification of the female body. The poses are most
varied, but the fullness of the curves always evokes the source of life,
creation and fertility.
In Indian sculpture the legs have no erotic significance, unlike the rest of
the female body. They are therefore treated as mere supports, devoid of any
power of suggestion. (的确如此,几条腿都有点木愣愣的感觉。)
5.“Faces”
Although the theme of the couple and the kiss reappears constantly in the
decoration of the temples, this is not the passionate embrace of earthly
lovers. The impassive expression of the faces shows that this is rather a
rite of creation in which both the bodies and souls of the participants are
involved.
下面这个是意大利十五六世纪的雕塑家Bernini的名雕:Ecstasy of St Theresa. 不少
人说St Theresa的面部表情犹如女子之性高潮。正义的考古者认为Bernini时期,
eroticism和porn有严格的大众公认的分界线,这个作品绝不会被当时的人认为是
orgasmic presentation. 这个分界线,放在今天,可真是不好说,尤其加上左面那个
天使手里的象征的箭。一位网友说,争论到最后,结论都是肉体和精神的终极体验,痛
且快乐,两者合一。附St Theresa自述神遇:
“I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there
seemed to be a little fire. He appeared to me to be thrusting it at times
into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he
seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love
of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing
was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of
it. The soul is satisfied now with nothing less than God. The pain is not
bodily, but spiritual; though the body has its share in it. It is a
caressing of love so sweet which now takes place between the soul and God,
that I pray God of His goodness to make him experience it who may think that
I am lying.”
再来说《Da Vinci Code》和《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的宗教仪式镜头。前者是Dan
Brown的畅销小说,改编成电影,里面的Sophie目睹爷爷领导的那个knights秘密组织,
在集会时的性交场面,大受刺激而与爷爷断绝关系。后者是大导演Stanley Kubrick
1999年的作品,Tom Cruise主演的医生,误入上层社会的秘密组织,目睹群交现场,幸
为好心女子暗中相救,免于一死。想来这些应该都是宗教的原始仪式的遗留;现代艺术
喜欢到原始艺术里面去发掘灵感或渊源,故有此重合。
最后想说Enigma演唱组,曾经大为痴迷,神神道道的非洲阿拉伯印度内蒙台湾等原生音
乐新编。念白多为法语,如入幽冥地带。最早那盒《MCMXC a.D.》专辑,开头是一段英
语念白:
"Turn off the light. Take a deep breath. Relax. Let the music be your
guiding light."
然后音乐起,还有人的喘息声,还有法语念白。那时候小,不懂喘息是什么意思,拿着
磁带去问学过法语的师兄,他听完一脸神秘说,不可说,不可说,这是密教。这下让我
大为好奇,下定学习法语的决心。可惜学了几年,除了听懂几句"prends moi" (take
me), "je te desire"(i desire you), "qu'est-ce que tu a cherche" (what are
you looking for),其他还是不行,不由佩服大师兄的深厚道行。现在想想,他多半跟
我一样听不懂,只是比我有经验。 | i***a 发帖数: 11826 | 2 先发个包子~:)下次看~
【在 wh 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Poetry 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Poetry : 标 题: Khajuraho, India: Religious Eroticism : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 01:23:02 2013, 美东) : 看silverblade写Khajuraho的诗和照片,想起以前贴过的Khajuraho图片和其他相关的 : 书歌影的零碎感想: : 上次说好要贴印度古寺庙Khajuraho的雕塑照片。后来连带又想起来Bernini的富有争议 : 的St Theresa雕塑,想起来小说《Da Vinci Code》和电影《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的 : 密教组织涉及eroticism的宗教仪式的镜头,还想起来enigma演唱组最早那盒专辑里的 : 主打歌曲,也涉及religious eroticism。
| v******a 发帖数: 45075 | 3 你来谈谈苦蟆素掐
【在 wh 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Poetry 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Poetry : 标 题: Khajuraho, India: Religious Eroticism : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 01:23:02 2013, 美东) : 看silverblade写Khajuraho的诗和照片,想起以前贴过的Khajuraho图片和其他相关的 : 书歌影的零碎感想: : 上次说好要贴印度古寺庙Khajuraho的雕塑照片。后来连带又想起来Bernini的富有争议 : 的St Theresa雕塑,想起来小说《Da Vinci Code》和电影《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的 : 密教组织涉及eroticism的宗教仪式的镜头,还想起来enigma演唱组最早那盒专辑里的 : 主打歌曲,也涉及religious eroticism。
| s*******y 发帖数: 46535 | 4 这是典型的问号体,呵呵
另外不是有人说蒙娜丽莎之所以那么迷人表现的也是那个啥之后的状态
【在 wh 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Poetry 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Poetry : 标 题: Khajuraho, India: Religious Eroticism : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 01:23:02 2013, 美东) : 看silverblade写Khajuraho的诗和照片,想起以前贴过的Khajuraho图片和其他相关的 : 书歌影的零碎感想: : 上次说好要贴印度古寺庙Khajuraho的雕塑照片。后来连带又想起来Bernini的富有争议 : 的St Theresa雕塑,想起来小说《Da Vinci Code》和电影《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的 : 密教组织涉及eroticism的宗教仪式的镜头,还想起来enigma演唱组最早那盒专辑里的 : 主打歌曲,也涉及religious eroticism。
| m******p 发帖数: 9 | 5 即将名垂青史的清新好文
收藏了,字字珠玑
【在 wh 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Poetry 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Poetry : 标 题: Khajuraho, India: Religious Eroticism : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 3 01:23:02 2013, 美东) : 看silverblade写Khajuraho的诗和照片,想起以前贴过的Khajuraho图片和其他相关的 : 书歌影的零碎感想: : 上次说好要贴印度古寺庙Khajuraho的雕塑照片。后来连带又想起来Bernini的富有争议 : 的St Theresa雕塑,想起来小说《Da Vinci Code》和电影《Eyes Wide Shut》里面的 : 密教组织涉及eroticism的宗教仪式的镜头,还想起来enigma演唱组最早那盒专辑里的 : 主打歌曲,也涉及religious eroticism。
| wh 发帖数: 141625 | 6 这是什么?
【在 v******a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你来谈谈苦蟆素掐
| wh 发帖数: 141625 | 7 嗯,东拉西扯,哈哈。蒙娜丽莎不像,她很self-composed,under self-control。这
个st theresa很沉醉但还是很讲形式美。现在的倾向好像是抛弃形式,表现
uncontrollable状态,哈哈,想起郝蕾那首氧气之歌有很多人喜欢。
【在 s*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这是典型的问号体,呵呵 : 另外不是有人说蒙娜丽莎之所以那么迷人表现的也是那个啥之后的状态
| wh 发帖数: 141625 | 8 谁这么损我……哈哈。
【在 m******p 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 即将名垂青史的清新好文 : 收藏了,字字珠玑
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