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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 18:40:17 2010, 美东) 提到:
今天去walmart实地考察了一下，（只考虑walmart能买到的，别的太贵了，而且也不方
便），有以下几种全合成的（以下价格都是5qt大包装）
* mobil 1 (银美孚）$24.5
* mobil 1 extended performance （金美孚） $28
* pennzoil $28
* castrol $24.5? (记不太清了）
* Valvoline synpower $21
大家觉得那种对新车engine的protection最好呢？
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ffo (果子狸) 于 (Wed Nov 17 18:41:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
0w 40有卖吗？
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Wed Nov 17 18:43:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
只用Royal Purple的飘过~~~~~~
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tingtingliu (Grand Cherokee Overland) 于 (Wed Nov 17 18:43:28 2010, 美东) 提到:
aap
mobile 1 silver 5qt + filter = 28 + tax
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dizhu2 (俺是da地主) 于 (Wed Nov 17 18:44:04 2010, 美东) 提到:
o'reilly卖5w-30的valvoline synpower $20/gallon桶。
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yangxie (旸) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:14:17 2010, 美东) 提到:
一直用mobile1机油和滤芯. extended与否,据autozone店员说没有大区别.
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Andyyoung (Andy) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:16:56 2010, 美东) 提到:
Pennzoil 的ultra或者platinium，比mobile 1 好太多。
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liangshuai (ls) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:23:10 2010, 美东) 提到:
0w 40 只有1QT装的。 Mobil 1只有0W-40 VW达标，不过实际上5W-30效果比0W-40 更
好。
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:31:03 2010, 美东) 提到:
我在网上看到一种说法是extended performance并不是真正全合成。但是又有其他很多
人说ep是美孚最好的产品。。。纠结啊！
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:31:42 2010, 美东) 提到:
可以展开说说吗？具体是好在哪方面？
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:34:28 2010, 美东) 提到:
这个太贵了，而且有人说它是hype，当然也有好多人推崇备至。。。
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:38:30 2010, 美东) 提到:
walmart 有shell的T6 5w40的，19刀多点
0w40的不太好找，advanced auto parts有
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IED (TNT) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:45:13 2010, 美东) 提到:
不管什么价钱， 我一直用Mobil 1, 现在用Mobil 1 high mileage。
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Andyyoung (Andy) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:53:22 2010, 美东) 提到:
有很多人做过used oil analysis， mobile 1 的含铁比Pennzoil 的ultra多很多，说
明磨损厉
害。
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:54:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
walmart好像没有全合成的shell
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Andyyoung (Andy) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:57:57 2010, 美东) 提到:
当然一般的车用什么油都没太大关系，但有些engine对油要求比较高的，比如我的
traverse是六缸直
喷发动机，对油abuse很厉害，mobile 1 合成油的结果很难看。
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 19:59:34 2010, 美东) 提到:
i see. mobil 1 官方对此倒是有一番说法，不过作为消费者，市场上有这么多油可选
，保险起见，还是用别的油较好。
以下是mobil 1对高含铁量的说法
Q. Many of you asked questions similar to this one from “buster:”
“For unknown reasons, Mobil 1 tends to show higher Fe in various oil
analysis reports compared to other branded oils in similar driving
conditions. I've been on this website long enough to know that it's a real
characteristic of the oil. We understand that this may be nothing ‘
significant’ at all, and that the scientific process is far from good
considering the used oil analysis samples we see on here. Can XOM confirm
that the perceived higher than normal Fe is not a problem?”
We will respond to the question, which will be followed by text from the
other posts that essentially asked the same thing.
A. Iron particles in used oil are to be expected, as the iron in engine
components, such as cam shafts, timing chains and gears, piston pins and
rings and cylinder liner, wears down during normal operation. To determine
if the level of iron particles is higher than it should be, a wide range of
factors need to be assessed. These include whether the car is driven in
normal or harsh operating conditions, the amount of highway driving versus
city driving, whether the engine is subjected to stop-and-go driving, and
the volume of cold starts and temperature extremes the engine endures. Also,
car and engine model and frequency of oil changes will have a significant
effect on how much iron ends up in the engine oil.
All these factors can impact the amount of iron that goes into the oil, so
it is necessary to consider all of these elements when establishing what a
typical level of iron should be. For example, a highly engineered vehicle/
engine design operated under relatively mild conditions (e.g., mostly
highway operation) over a standard oil drain interval may generate iron
levels as low as 20 - 25 parts per million. Alternatively, an engine of
average design, operated through more severe conditions such as an extended
oil drain interval, may yield iron levels in the range of 200 - 300 parts
per million. Based on the iron-content numbers of the UOA analysis typically
described by BITOG users, the stated levels should not be a concern and
show that Mobil 1 is protecting engine parts as promised.
Also, used oil analysis (UOA) is only one dimension when it comes to
assessing engine oil performance. Ultimately, UOA should be combined with
engine inspections and measurements to more accurately assess the
performance of the oil.
If iron content of a UOA is considered higher than expected, the next step
is to determine the cause of the premature wear. In order to do this,
evaluate other data points from the UOA report to obtain a more complete
picture as to what's going on in the engine. Premature engine wear is often
due to mechanical issues, not the oil. For example, elevated levels of lead
and/or copper, particularly in combination with a positive glycol dilution
test, would indicate that there may be a coolant leak within the engine.
Coolant dilution in the engine oil (which would occur from something like a
crack in the head gasket) would cause rapid acceleration of wear metals in
the engine oil.
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shallpion (123) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:05:50 2010, 美东) 提到:
真羡慕你们
老破车不敢上合成油
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Culverin (Culverin) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:05:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
如果卖家不傻，你觉得2-3块的差别对车能有实质影响吗？
那你觉得shell, bp等等的油有区别吗？
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shallpion (123) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:09:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
还是有区别的，我加bp的有mpg能到40，加shell的就只有不到20
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:09:39 2010, 美东) 提到:
chveron跟shell的汽油确实是公认最好的。主要是添加剂的不同. 添加剂是
proprietary的。另外有几个汽车品牌成立了一个类似汽油质量认证联盟的东东，shell
在里面，bp不在。
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shallpion (123) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:10:24 2010, 美东) 提到:
喜欢chevron可以自己买techron往里加
shell
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:13:03 2010, 美东) 提到:
参考这个连接
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071106205651AASxN
shell
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:15:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
太麻烦了，我是固定在shell加了（我们这里没有chevron)
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xiaoheibibi (小黑_bibi) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:17:30 2010, 美东) 提到:
你的车是什么牌子的,有些油的配方是针对某一系列的发动机设计的.比如Castrol的配
德系车比较好.
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shallpion (123) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:17:50 2010, 美东) 提到:
可以试试texaco
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:24:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
我这里的有，昨天刚买了一加仑装的T6
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=rotella-en&FC2=/rote
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:26:27 2010, 美东) 提到:
你说的这个是gas还是engine oil啊，无论是哪个差别也不能这么大啊
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liangshuai (ls) 于 (Wed Nov 17 20:43:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
我的车刚好相反，加BP mpg就没上过10，加SHELL 就能到30，搞的我现在看到BP都心有
余悸
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kqxqx (言者无心，听者有意) 于 (Wed Nov 17 22:43:38 2010, 美东) 提到:
受打击了，我还一直以为Mobile 1是质量不错的
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intelbot (WORM) 于 (Wed Nov 17 22:46:59 2010, 美东) 提到:
得看你什么车，honda ford，mobil one应该是最适合的
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kqxqx (言者无心，听者有意) 于 (Wed Nov 17 22:49:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
我的是Acura，难道这个还和车有关？我以为都是通用的
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scorpin (scorpin) 于 (Wed Nov 17 23:40:45 2010, 美东) 提到:
it's possible if 40 all highway and 20 all local.
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exds (bull) 于 (Wed Nov 17 23:55:38 2010, 美东) 提到:
pepboys sexgiving 那天，5 gl 油+filter = 6$, 3000miles 就换的话，保护不是更
周到吗？
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Thu Nov 18 01:26:28 2010, 美东) 提到:
一个非常nice的oil filter比较
http://www.rubiconownersforum.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=5
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linlan (我要EVO) 于 (Thu Nov 18 11:37:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
同顶royal purple。
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passover (passover) 于 (Thu Nov 18 11:42:31 2010, 美东) 提到:
r u sure?
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fishey (fishey) 于 (Thu Nov 18 12:00:02 2010, 美东) 提到:
沒有用過royal purple, 想用, 大家說說它好在哪裡? 還有我這邊好想很多mechanic都
不用這個牌子, 到時應該是自己買了帶過去讓他們換嗎?
上次有個mechanic跟我說了一個德國牌子的full synthetic, 忘記叫什麼名字了, 不知
道德國有什麼出名的牌子:)
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Thu Nov 18 12:43:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
german castrol?
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Thu Nov 18 13:08:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
sigh，刚刚贪便宜买了5个pureone
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tingtingliu (Grand Cherokee Overland) 于 (Thu Nov 18 13:25:42 2010, 美东) 提到:
castrpl is from BP
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shallpion (123) 于 (Thu Nov 18 21:48:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
pureone还好了，也不算极其的便宜，至少比fram好点
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shallpion (123) 于 (Thu Nov 18 21:51:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
看这个
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX0xrqvlsNI
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sharpdressed (man) 于 (Thu Nov 18 22:03:04 2010, 美东) 提到:
there's no more real synthetic oil on US market.
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Thu Nov 18 22:03:31 2010, 美东) 提到:
fram好像是公认最差的，with its infamous cardboard base
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shallpion (123) 于 (Thu Nov 18 22:04:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
fram有一款据说真正不错
但walmart不常见
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Fri Nov 19 00:38:02 2010, 美东) 提到:
Royal Purple非常不错的，怎么都没人用呢？Amsoil也不错的。
之前刚买的是候dealer用的是mobile1，后来开了3000m就换了full synthetic Royal
Purple。非常不错滴。就是比较贵，walmart是$9/quat。 Amazon上是6.89/quat
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sycophant (外号叫小面，又叫大发) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:26:51 2010, 美东) 提到:
展开说说purple比m1好在哪？
5*7+10=45$了，比30$的5xm1+filter还是贵了些。
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:34:20 2010, 美东) 提到:
http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:35:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
rp的一大卖点好像是说能提升马力
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sharpdressed (man) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:36:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
没有意义。$2/qt的一样发动机15万不坏。
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liangshuai (ls) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:40:29 2010, 美东) 提到:
为了提升性能, 因车而异。
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:43:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
个人觉得合成油没有差别,不过只要不是狂热的爱车者,随便哪个牌子都行.
我用RP是因为和我同型号的很多车主都在论坛上说RP对我们的车不错，比m1有效果
靠，笔误啊，没有打成有了
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:44:30 2010, 美东) 提到:
萝卜青菜各有所爱，你爱在车上省钱我愿在机油上多花，各随个便么
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:47:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
Here's their post script on the test on their website:
http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/news.php
OILS AIN'T OILS – The post script
If there's one thing we try and do here at Street Commodores, it's give you,
our readers un-biased info on which products are good, and which ones suck.
There's so much BS marketing guff out there, that it can be tough to nut
out which products can walk the walk – so that's where we come in, doing
our best to sort the Holdens from the Lada Nivas.
A few months back (issue 108), you might remember we did an oil comparison.
At the time, we thought it was a bloody good thing, and we don't mind
telling you we were pretty proud to publish an article that basically bagged
a heap of big name brands. You see, at Street Commodores, we can't, and won
't be bought. We like to play things straight. And in the name of playing
things straight, we'd like to tell you what has happened since that story
went to print.
Basically, we made a few oil companies very cross, and some others quite
happy; but we've also been educated some more on engine oils, and being the
type of publication that we are, we wanted to fill you in on it. The
information we've learned since then suggests the test we performed may be
irrelevant. Some sources have advised us that the test we used would have
been better served testing some of our favourite greases rather than the
engine oils we commonly use on our street cars. Sure, we did the test with
the best intentions, with a level playing field for each oil and no
preconceptions as to who would perform better than another, but when, and if
, we mess up, we like to think that we're man enough to set the record
straight.
So keep an eye out in an upcoming issue real soon for an in-depth look at
what makes up the contents of your oil, what to look for when choosing one,
why certain ingredients are so important and whether the test we used was
irrelevant for testing oils.
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supervita (又见你挥舞红旗望先人的足迹) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:52:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
totally agree, 但是要提醒的是，rp是比较有争议的油。当然推崇rp的人非常多。
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xkm1948 (xkm1948) 于 (Fri Nov 19 01:58:22 2010, 美东) 提到:
我没见过崇拜的，倒是见到非常多的喷子~~~~ 一些sturborn redneck就只认Shell。
头一次听说还是在Autozone，店员推荐的，说很不错。换油之后跑了3000迈了，比之前
的m1好很多，engine reponse好一些，idle rpm很平稳。
做过一次dyno test，之前用mb1的regular是282HP， 220RWHP。 欢乐之后是281HP，
230RWHP.
基本上HP没变化，RWHP有所提升。
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jimmyLA (网球滑雪摩托车) 于 (Fri Nov 19 11:11:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
Costco 的全合成油如果有coupon,会便宜很多。
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kqxqx (言者无心，听者有意) 于 (Fri Nov 19 11:14:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
但是种类很有限，比如mobile 1只有5W30，我的车好像要5W20的说
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Kiroro (山顶冻人) 于 (Fri Nov 19 11:16:54 2010, 美东) 提到:
都差不多了，现在一直在用mobil 1，以后换了车就打算改回regular
个人觉得如果不是premium engine，实在没必要折腾合成油
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kqxqx (言者无心，听者有意) 于 (Fri Nov 19 11:52:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
我怎么觉得他们家oil的deal很多时候都是castrol的？
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ajzhangyu (NDV) 于 (Fri Nov 19 12:36:56 2010, 美东) 提到:
German Castrol +1
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Fri Nov 19 13:52:19 2010, 美东) 提到:
前几天auto parts有coupon，5个15刀
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zzsch (好着呢) 于 (Sat Nov 20 10:29:11 2010, 美东) 提到:
刚在building 19 买了两箱6qt的moble 1 的油 22。7一箱，还是很便宜的了。如果附
近有的话可以留意一下啊，我在MA
一次换油要6.5qt，所以walmart的5qt的对我来说太麻烦了
合成油贵些，但是换的不勤，这样算来比普通油差不了太多
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sharpdressed (man) 于 (Sat Nov 20 11:29:42 2010, 美东) 提到:
跟walmart正常价差不多。
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sharpdressed (man) 于 (Sat Nov 20 11:30:23 2010, 美东) 提到:
本来美国市场上的合成油也都不是合成油了。
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kqxqx (陕东道大行台尚书令) 于 (Sun Mar 6 12:55:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
mobil1的full synthetic上面还真写了warranty for ford, honda, chrysler……
看来我的acura以后一直用mobil1就够了
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shouji (apocalypsetank) 于 (Sun Mar 6 13:22:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
最近还看到了mobil 1有4Qt的大瓶，是原来就有，还是准备涨价了？
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kqxqx (陕东道大行台尚书令) 于 (Sun Mar 6 13:31:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
1 gal的大桶原来一直就有吧
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shishi (shishi) 于 (Sun Mar 6 13:43:57 2011, 美东) 提到:
currently no real synthetic oil exist in the US.
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sdyccyb (昵称太短) 于 (Sun Mar 6 14:52:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
M1 EP基质主要是supersyn，属于4类PAO；普通M1也含有少量的supersyn，但主要属3类
。M1已经足够好了。
那些人所谓的“真正全合成”指的5类酯类，稳定性、粘着性都要好，但价格更贵，实
际保护性能未必提高很多（当机油性能提高到一定程度后、实际瓶颈在汽油质量、进气
灰尘这方面），并且与一些seal不相容。所以并不一定是更好的选择。
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kubuntu (我是抢银行的贼) 于 (Sun Mar 6 23:31:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
上次Sale的时候买了好多个PureOne，刚好跟Costco的机油配。
以前好像看过review还可以的，没有M1好，但至少比Fram的要好很多吧？
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wokaowokao (GaN) 于 (Sun Mar 6 23:55:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
pureone感觉不怎么样。我上次也买了好几个，结果换出来的机油里面铁屑挺多。
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caorui (ruicao) 于 (Mon Mar 7 02:26:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
Last day at autozone:
5+ quart jug or 5 1-quart bottles Castrol Syntec synthetic oil + Fram Tough Guard Oil Filter for $27.99
good deal if you like THE German Castrol. Fram tough guard is actually a very decent filter, unlike the usual Fram.
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caorui (ruicao) 于 (Mon Mar 7 02:38:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
aap 09年 的 deal
5 qt castrol + k&N filter for $25
然后到autozone price match, 买了 german castrol.
一共买了7蛋，我的车可以换5次。
要知道一个k&n的 filter 平常就卖$13.真是好deal啊 后悔当初买少了。
Tough Guard Oil Filter for $27.99
very decent filter, unlike the usual Fram.
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kqxqx (陕东道大行台尚书令) 于 (Mon Mar 7 11:39:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
K&N和mobil1的filter哪个更适合honda的车？ |
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