a**e 发帖数: 1072 | 1 两个日本车
1,power steering fluid,冷车时我看页面已经在cold min下面一点,要怎么处理?
需要自己买点加上(自己买买哪种?头又大的车系)还是要整个flushing?车转向的时
候没有感觉任何问题,还是说可以忽略这个问题,如果不是少的特别特别多?好像外面
的店做一次flushing 40左右?
2,60k多了,dealer说每30k应该做一个tranny oil change(我之前从来没做过),开
价180(我应该还有10%off on service),我到同种车(nissan系)论坛看了,貌似我
这个dealer报价不高,外地很多报250以上的,据说这个fluid要11刀/qt,整个需要
11qt,光材料成本就要120左右即使是自己换,tranny到没法有啥问题,不过D档换R档
或者反之总是咯噔一声,貌似nissan家的tranny就这个动静。180就从了(问过dealer
说是drain/fill操作)?(btw再替朋友问一个,朋友刚买了辆二手Toyota小车,60k多
,也应该去换一次tranny oil了,Toyota dealer一般开价多少?) |
h****a 发帖数: 3114 | 2 没问题不要瞎换,尤其是power steering fluid。 |
a**e 发帖数: 1072 | 3 少了也不需要加?
嗯 车确实是没问题那都不要动 我上次去换胎被忽悠着换了power和brake fluid,钱倒
是不多,但是就怕丫野蛮操作或者用的油不好,据说换这些玩意无非就是能延长一下某
些部件的寿命?
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没问题不要瞎换,尤其是power steering fluid。
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h****a 发帖数: 3114 | 4 少了就加点。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 少了也不需要加? : 嗯 车确实是没问题那都不要动 我上次去换胎被忽悠着换了power和brake fluid,钱倒 : 是不多,但是就怕丫野蛮操作或者用的油不好,据说换这些玩意无非就是能延长一下某 : 些部件的寿命?
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z*******u 发帖数: 272 | 5 brake fluid 一般2-3年一换,如果看着颜色发黑脏了需要跟换 |
a**e 发帖数: 1072 | 6 power fluid为啥总是黑的(我的nissan),忽悠我换的时候就是说你看都黑了(那个
tank本身好像就不是太透明,隔着tank看里面是黑绿黑绿的),flushing完一看好像还
是黑的
反正车的各种可换的地方太多了,比如shock老了(没坏)轮子可能就跑起来不平稳,
容易把轮胎磨得有凹凸,但是这个就是可换可不换的东西
【在 z*******u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : brake fluid 一般2-3年一换,如果看着颜色发黑脏了需要跟换
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 7 又是一帮不懂装懂的在这乱出主意。
ps fluid你可以去nissan买瓶新的对比下,保证吓死你。新液是透明的。
trans fluid你可以不换,如果出了问题就准备2000多刀rebuild变速箱吧。换是为了给
你自己省钱。当然想卖车短时间内的话就别搞了。 |
d**********u 发帖数: 3371 | 8 据说很多一直不换的一换就烂了
不换的也有不少一直开到200k的
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 又是一帮不懂装懂的在这乱出主意。 : ps fluid你可以去nissan买瓶新的对比下,保证吓死你。新液是透明的。 : trans fluid你可以不换,如果出了问题就准备2000多刀rebuild变速箱吧。换是为了给 : 你自己省钱。当然想卖车短时间内的话就别搞了。
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M**2 发帖数: 1121 | 9 Brake fluid 一般是墨绿色的,我买的新的是透明的。
从 hood 盖里的 primary resvior 里把 brake fluid 都吸了出来,然后加了新的进去
,勉强算换了一些。真正全换要把轮着上的 bleeder 打开,难度太大,放弃了。
十几年的老车,从来没有换过 brake fluid. |
b******e 发帖数: 5547 | 10 等于管路还是老的fluid,浪费了。。。
【在 M**2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Brake fluid 一般是墨绿色的,我买的新的是透明的。 : 从 hood 盖里的 primary resvior 里把 brake fluid 都吸了出来,然后加了新的进去 : ,勉强算换了一些。真正全换要把轮着上的 bleeder 打开,难度太大,放弃了。 : 十几年的老车,从来没有换过 brake fluid.
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t*****g 发帖数: 7455 | 11 如果是drain and refill的我真没听说谁坏的
厂商的manual里面也有这要求
很多人换了坏掉是因为flush,他自己不知道怎么回事,只知道换了
所以坏了就在那瞎扯淡
【在 d**********u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 据说很多一直不换的一换就烂了 : 不换的也有不少一直开到200k的
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M**2 发帖数: 1121 | 12 那个 fluid 买贵了,但也就四块多美元。就当玩玩吧。
换管路 youtube 看着太麻烦了。以后有空把轮子拆掉试试,但害怕拆掉了自己装不回
去。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 等于管路还是老的fluid,浪费了。。。
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 13 现在厂家推荐的是
1 PS brake fluid是没必要更换的,除非换master cylinder和ps pump
2,ATF没问题不需要换,换的话drain and refill,不要flush。 |
a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 14 第二个drain refill的话150太贵了。成本30以内。
dealer
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 两个日本车 : 1,power steering fluid,冷车时我看页面已经在cold min下面一点,要怎么处理? : 需要自己买点加上(自己买买哪种?头又大的车系)还是要整个flushing?车转向的时 : 候没有感觉任何问题,还是说可以忽略这个问题,如果不是少的特别特别多?好像外面 : 的店做一次flushing 40左右? : 2,60k多了,dealer说每30k应该做一个tranny oil change(我之前从来没做过),开 : 价180(我应该还有10%off on service),我到同种车(nissan系)论坛看了,貌似我 : 这个dealer报价不高,外地很多报250以上的,据说这个fluid要11刀/qt,整个需要 : 11qt,光材料成本就要120左右即使是自己换,tranny到没法有啥问题,不过D档换R档 : 或者反之总是咯噔一声,貌似nissan家的tranny就这个动静。180就从了(问过dealer
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u****q 发帖数: 24345 | 15 2004的Subaru需要换brake fluids吗?谢谢。
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 现在厂家推荐的是 : 1 PS brake fluid是没必要更换的,除非换master cylinder和ps pump : 2,ATF没问题不需要换,换的话drain and refill,不要flush。
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w******6 发帖数: 861 | 16 刹车液是需要定期更换,不然吸水了沸点下降
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 现在厂家推荐的是 : 1 PS brake fluid是没必要更换的,除非换master cylinder和ps pump : 2,ATF没问题不需要换,换的话drain and refill,不要flush。
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 17
开什么玩笑,30刀也就够买个filter kit的,油差不多也得要这么多。
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 第二个drain refill的话150太贵了。成本30以内。 : : dealer
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s****i 发帖数: 5469 | 18 还是要换的,首先注意一下你的车用的类型,DOT5.1 DOT4 和DOT3可以混并且向下
兼容,DOT5不可以与它们混。
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 2004的Subaru需要换brake fluids吗?谢谢。
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 19 dealer drain/refill 是不换filter的。
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 开什么玩笑,30刀也就够买个filter kit的,油差不多也得要这么多。
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 20 FYI
no if you need a brake flush you need a master cylinder too. Unlike other
fluids brake fluid is composed of special blends that rather than thinning
out over time and heat it actually conditions it self to remain the same for
the life of the vehicle. However when it gets too tick the pressure is too
much for a master cylinder and that is when both the fluid and the master
cylinder get replaced. The master cylinder will out last your vehicles life
is designed that way so it does not fail so that is your answer if you need
a brake fluid flush. Tell them to describe the composition of brake fluid
and how it brakes down over time, when they do this have them write it down
on a sheet of paper and post it here, then you will get those who know
bashing it, and tell them that you will be posting it on line so not to lie
to you, and tell them that you will use their shop name too if that is ok.
OF COURSE IT WILL BE OK ;) RIGHT.... As soon as you tell them that they will
probably tell you that your vehicle does not need it..I would love to read
about what they tell you though so see if they will give you something......
.HAVE FUN>.....and NO worries.....................ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR
MONEY..................
【在 w******6 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 刹车液是需要定期更换,不然吸水了沸点下降
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w******6 发帖数: 861 | 21 我看了我的用户手册上面写的要定期更换刹车液
for
too
life
need
down
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : FYI : no if you need a brake flush you need a master cylinder too. Unlike other : fluids brake fluid is composed of special blends that rather than thinning : out over time and heat it actually conditions it self to remain the same for : the life of the vehicle. However when it gets too tick the pressure is too : much for a master cylinder and that is when both the fluid and the master : cylinder get replaced. The master cylinder will out last your vehicles life : is designed that way so it does not fail so that is your answer if you need : a brake fluid flush. Tell them to describe the composition of brake fluid : and how it brakes down over time, when they do this have them write it down
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 22 DOT5的新型刹车油10年换一次足够了
Some manufacturers still recommend changing brake fluid every two years,
some have moved to three- or five-year intervals, and others, as you’ve
noticed, have removed the recommendation for periodic flushing and refilling
from their maintenance schedules.
Brake fluid transfers force to the various components of the braking system
when the brake pedal is depressed, so you’re right to be concerned about
proper maintenance.
A friend recalls his older brother, circa 1977, cursing under his breath
while honing out the pitted brake cylinders of his Datsun 510. Improvements
in the corrosion-inhibitors added to modern brake fluids offer increased
corrosion protection, but due to the dreaded water absorption issue,
flushing and replacing of fluids is still required.
Traditionally, brake fluids have been glycol-based (commonly known types are
DOT 3 and DOT 4). Over time, these fluids absorb moisture from the
atmosphere which reduces their boiling point and therefore effectiveness –
however, a water-repelling silicone brake fluid (DOT 5) has gained
popularity over the past few years.
“We now use a DOT 5 most of the time in my shop,” says Mike Salkus, owner
of Speedy Auto Service in Victoria, B.C. “The silicone in this brake fluid
doesn’t absorb moisture as fast, and that was the main reason for doing
brake-fluid flushes in the past – because they would attract a lot of
moisture and boil at higher temperatures on braking which would cause brake
fade. With silicone it doesn’t get the moisture in as fast, it doesn’t
boil as fast, there is less corrosion in the system, and it has a longer
life.”
Brake fluid types aren’t easily interchangeable; you’ll need to stick with
your manufacturer’s prescription.
“It’s not like the old days where one brake fluid, or one transmission
fluid, worked in all makes and models. There are so many now that you have
to be aware of, and different manufacturers have different recommendations,
” says Salkus, who recommends a brake fluid change every six years or 80,
000 kilometres. “Silicone-based brake fluid is becoming more predominant on
all the newer cars, but back six or seven years ago it would only show up
in the BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus and high-end cars. Now it’s starting to show
up in domestics, like GM and Ford. With an ABS braking system, some
manufacturers use silicone brake fluid, and some don’t. It really is
specific to the manufacturer.”
It may be that your new vehicle requires a silicone-based fluid and
therefore has a reduced requirement for flushing and refilling. Some
manufacturers of glycol-based fluids also claim that special additives in
their products make them lifetime fluids. In addition, some auto makers say
the features of their modern brake systems make them comfortable with
reduced flush and refill recommendations.
First and foremost, you want to satisfy your warranty requirements, and
second, if you plan to hang onto the car once it’s out-of-warranty you’ll
to want to keep the braking components in tip-top shape.
Given the high cost of certain brake components, the peace of mind gained
through this relatively inexpensive procedure makes it worthwhile. As a side
note, this is not a do-it-yourself procedure. The extremely high pressures
generated by modern anti- lock brake systems can put you at great risk of
injury if you fail to follow the servicing procedure to the letter.
Contact your manufacturer or visit your dealer service centre for further
clarification on when to change your brake fluid. If in doubt, stop at any
brake or repair shop, where they can determine if the fluid requires
changing with a simple litmus test.
【在 w******6 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我看了我的用户手册上面写的要定期更换刹车液 : : for : too : life : need : down
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 23 这人是个SB.实际上brake fluid根本就不存在什么self condition的问题,唯一的问题
是吸湿.你只要把brake fluid瓶子盖拿走放那里1天,brake fluid就废了(其实是沸点太
低导致刹车时会沸腾). 但是如果你拿一瓶brake fluid不开封,放那里10年都不会坏.
车里的brake fluid会坏的机理就是reservoir的seal并不是非常perfect的,所以2年的
时间会使得brake fluid吸收不少水分.当然新车的seal好些所以新车的fluid寿命长些.
另外brake fluid里面也有很多rubber conditioner来延长brake hose的寿命,勤换的话
对brake hose有好处.
for
too
life
need
down
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : FYI : no if you need a brake flush you need a master cylinder too. Unlike other : fluids brake fluid is composed of special blends that rather than thinning : out over time and heat it actually conditions it self to remain the same for : the life of the vehicle. However when it gets too tick the pressure is too : much for a master cylinder and that is when both the fluid and the master : cylinder get replaced. The master cylinder will out last your vehicles life : is designed that way so it does not fail so that is your answer if you need : a brake fluid flush. Tell them to describe the composition of brake fluid : and how it brakes down over time, when they do this have them write it down
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 24 DOT5是不需要换的,这是一种真正的"lifetime fluid",车上所有液体中第一种真正的
lifetime fluid.
refilling
system
Improvements
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : DOT5的新型刹车油10年换一次足够了 : Some manufacturers still recommend changing brake fluid every two years, : some have moved to three- or five-year intervals, and others, as you’ve : noticed, have removed the recommendation for periodic flushing and refilling : from their maintenance schedules. : Brake fluid transfers force to the various components of the braking system : when the brake pedal is depressed, so you’re right to be concerned about : proper maintenance. : A friend recalls his older brother, circa 1977, cursing under his breath : while honing out the pitted brake cylinders of his Datsun 510. Improvements
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 25
那就纯粹是坑人了.实际上drain+refill不换filter的话会使得变速箱坏得更快,比
flush还烂.其实我一直觉得,只换filter不换油,要比只换油不换filter要好很多.变速
箱里面多数杂质都trap在filter里面.
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : dealer drain/refill 是不换filter的。
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 26 本田怎么办?
另外有人说那个filter只能挡住比较大的东西其实没什么用。
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 那就纯粹是坑人了.实际上drain+refill不换filter的话会使得变速箱坏得更快,比 : flush还烂.其实我一直觉得,只换filter不换油,要比只换油不换filter要好很多.变速 : 箱里面多数杂质都trap在filter里面.
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w******6 发帖数: 861 | 27 我换atf时候,在drop pan之前,换了好多次atf都非常脏。直到我把oil pan拿下来才
明白,里面那些杂质是无论怎么换油都无法清除的,新的atf换进去,马上会溶解那些
残渣。
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 那就纯粹是坑人了.实际上drain+refill不换filter的话会使得变速箱坏得更快,比 : flush还烂.其实我一直觉得,只换filter不换油,要比只换油不换filter要好很多.变速 : 箱里面多数杂质都trap在filter里面.
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 28
本田就等死.
filter挡大东西没错,但是影响tranny运转的就是这些大东西.fluid设计上可以suspend
小东西,但大东西会磨坏轴承,堵塞阀门.另外最大的问题是大东西多了堵了filter,油压
下降,这样润滑不足并且液压不足导致离合器接合慢,这样磨损更大.
你让说这话的人把自己变速箱的filter拆掉,看看他的变速箱能撑多久.
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 本田怎么办? : 另外有人说那个filter只能挡住比较大的东西其实没什么用。
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 29
那是时间太长没换了.实际上fluid会溶解那些渣滓,但是容量是有限的,超过的话渣滓就
会堆积,而且你想想,里面的液饱和了,你drain+refill只能换掉1/3,能溶掉多少多余的
渣滓阿?
【在 w******6 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我换atf时候,在drop pan之前,换了好多次atf都非常脏。直到我把oil pan拿下来才 : 明白,里面那些杂质是无论怎么换油都无法清除的,新的atf换进去,马上会溶解那些 : 残渣。
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w******6 发帖数: 861 | 30 里面沉淀了一层杂质,磁铁吸满了,这种属于多长时间没换?
看来我前任把车折腾的够呛
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 那是时间太长没换了.实际上fluid会溶解那些渣滓,但是容量是有限的,超过的话渣滓就 : 会堆积,而且你想想,里面的液饱和了,你drain+refill只能换掉1/3,能溶掉多少多余的 : 渣滓阿?
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g********b 发帖数: 8461 | 31
这个没法讲.如果是all high way miles的话可能跑200k都不会这样,但是天天跑local
尤其delivery的话跑上70-80k就这样了.
【在 w******6 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 里面沉淀了一层杂质,磁铁吸满了,这种属于多长时间没换? : 看来我前任把车折腾的够呛
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a******o 发帖数: 16625 | 32 他们说的意思是那些大的杂质其实不影响flowing,所以换filter没必要,不是说
filter本身没必要。pan下面那些杂质一般都是离合器磨下来的,貌似也不会溶解到ATF
里。所以,有说法是没必要每次换filter。
suspend
【在 g********b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 这个没法讲.如果是all high way miles的话可能跑200k都不会这样,但是天天跑local : 尤其delivery的话跑上70-80k就这样了.
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