i****a 发帖数: 36252 | 1 http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/03/28/ford-class-
Lawsuit: Older Fords can suddenly speed up
A multistate lawsuit filed Thursday says 2002-10 Ford Motor vehicles contain
a "design defect" in the electronic control of the gas pedals, making them
susceptible to sudden, unintended acceleration.
The lawsuit filed on behalf of Ford owners in 14 states is seeking class-
action status and goes into great detail about the alleged defect in the
models named in the lawsuit that don't have brake override technology. That
technology stops the car if both the brake and the gas pedal are activated
at the same time. Ford began installing it, known as "brake over accelerator
," in all vehicles it makes in 2010.
"For too long, Ford has put its own financial interests ahead of its
consumers' safety," says Chicago-based attorney Adam Levitt, one of the
lawyers leading the litigation. "We hope this lawsuit sheds light on this
important situation and requires Ford to correct its ways, compensate its
customers and put them first."
Attorneys for the plaintiffs are seeking compensatory damages for the lost
value of the affected cars -- the difference between what they paid for the
cars vs. the value of the defective vehicles. The lawsuit also asks Ford to
"fix the problem."
Lawyers involved in the case told USA TODAY in late March that most Ford
owners probably don't realize their cars could take off on their own.
The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the southern district
of West Virginia. It cites a 2011 report by the Transportation Department's
inspector general that showed Ford had the same number of deaths and
injuries from these electronic throttle controls as Toyota: 374 from 2003
through 2009. Ford had 22% of all complaints of unintended acceleration
during that period, more than any of the other major auto manufacturers, the
report said.
A review of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's data shows
complaints regarding sudden acceleration in Ford vehicles (including
Lincolns and Mercurys) soared from 2005 to 2007, with injuries due to sudden
acceleration at their highest rates from 2004 to 2006.
But Ford released a statement Thursday that said: "NHTSA has investigated
alleged unintended accelerations many times over many years and has
concluded that driver error is the predominant cause of these events. NHTSA'
s work is far more scientific and trustworthy than work done by personal
injury lawyers and their paid experts. In rare situations, vehicle factors,
such as floor mats or broken mechanical components, can interfere with
proper throttle operation, and manufacturers have addressed these rare
events in field service actions."
Tom Murray, a Sandusky, Ohio, plaintiff lawyer who is writing a book on
unintended acceleration, says Ford's failure to install brake override means
the company didn't have a "fail safe" to protect people if the cars took
off on their own. Murray says he has several clients who were in crashes
involving runaway Fords.
Toyota recalled nearly 8 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles in the U.S. in
2009 and 2010 over problems related to gas pedals that could stick and floor
mats that could interfere with the gas pedal. The months of publicity and
congressional hearings helped prompt the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration to propose a rule requiring all vehicles to have brake
override.
But plaintiff lawyers continue to insist that there were problems with
Toyota's electronic throttle controls that made even some recalled cars take
off on their own.
"We learned from Toyota that these problems are real," says Mark DiCello, a
Cleveland plaintiff attorney involved with the new lawsuit.
However, NHTSA and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration
concluded in a 2011 report that it could not find evidence of electronic
malfunctions in Toyota models.
"It's easy not to believe sudden acceleration exists unless you're behind
the wheel when it takes off," says West Virginia plaintiff lawyer Niall Paul.
"Ford has a long history of these cars taking off in various points," says
Edgar "Hike" Heiskell, a West Virginia plaintiff lawyer involved in the
litigation. "It's obviously a dangerous situation."
He points to the decisions by BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen to
install brake override several years ago.
Tom Baloga, BMW's recently retired vice president of engineering, says it
wasn't sudden acceleration, however, but the perception of it that prompted
German automakers to install brake override.
"German auto manufacturers realized that identifying driver-caused sudden
acceleration was a PR disaster so they agreed among themselves to adopt
their own type of brake-accelerator override with electronic gas pedals,"
Baloga says. "This voluntary initiative adapted to U.S. conditions where
technical circumstances and emotional reactions blur investigations."
"Qualified investigators" have repeatedly dismissed the idea that "
electronic gremlins" are causing sudden acceleration, Baloga says, "but the
emotional component keeps coming back."
Asked whether they are going to sue other major automakers over the models
with electronic throttle control that don't have brake override, the lawyers
say they hope they don't have to.
"We hope this would cause the other manufacturers to do what's right and
what's safe," Paul says.
Owners of these Ford models with electronic throttle control are considered
plaintiffs in the lawsuit if the vehicles were purchased in any of these
states: West Virginia, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan,
Missouri, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina,
Virginia or Wisconsin.
·Ford brand: 2005-2009 Crown Victoria, 2005-2010 E-Series, 2007-2010 Edge,
2009-
2010 Escape, 2005-2010 Escape HEV, 2005-2010 Expedition, 2004-2010 Explorer,
2007-2010 Explorer Sport Trac, 2004-2010 F-Series, 2005-2007 Five Hundred,
2009-
2010 Flex, 2008-2010 Focus, 2005-2007 Freestyle, 2006-2010 Fusion, 2005-2010
Mustang, 2008-2010 Taurus, 2008-2009 Taurus X, 2002-2005 Thunderbird, and
2010 Transit Connect
Lincoln brand: 2003-2006 LS, 2006-2008 Mark LT, 2009-2010 MKS, 2010 MKT,
2007-2010 MKX, 2006-2010 MKZ, 2005-2009 Town Car, and 2006-2010 Zephy
· Mercury brand: 2002-2005 Cougar (XR7), 2005-2009 Grand Marquis, 2009-2010
Mariner, 2005-2010 Mariner HEV, 2006-2010 Milan, 2005-2007 Montego, 2004-
2010Mountaineer, and 2008-2010 Sable |
L*******a 发帖数: 1693 | 2 自动加速的是个车厂都有几个,但是加速后刹不住的独有Toyota一家 |
g****5 发帖数: 1639 | 3 因为自动加速死过人的有哪些厂?
【在 L*******a 的大作中提到】 : 自动加速的是个车厂都有几个,但是加速后刹不住的独有Toyota一家
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 4 比较出名的audi,toyota
其他家也可能有挂掉的,但是没听说过
toyota最猛,nhtsa调查6000多个案例,因为人手不够只取了300个案例进行调查,最后
统计出来死了102个,而且这102个是有明确证据表明和自动加速有关系的,不知道还有
没有挂了但是没证据没法关联的。
最重要的是不知这300个案例是不是随机挑的,要是随机的话,也就是说丰田自动加速
至今可能已经死了2000多人了
尼玛就这样,当时召回的时候丰田公关买通各种水军到处宣扬丰田被美国政府为了救美
国车厂给黑了
而且明知道软件系统有缺陷,就是不去改进,到现在4年多了吧,还是老样子,ms只给
添了个补丁,所谓的刹车是爷系统,但是是软件实现的,如果那个所谓的task x挂掉,
这个刹车是爷系统等同于没有。
【在 g****5 的大作中提到】 : 因为自动加速死过人的有哪些厂?
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g****5 发帖数: 1639 | 5 厉害!信手拈来啊!
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : 比较出名的audi,toyota : 其他家也可能有挂掉的,但是没听说过 : toyota最猛,nhtsa调查6000多个案例,因为人手不够只取了300个案例进行调查,最后 : 统计出来死了102个,而且这102个是有明确证据表明和自动加速有关系的,不知道还有 : 没有挂了但是没证据没法关联的。 : 最重要的是不知这300个案例是不是随机挑的,要是随机的话,也就是说丰田自动加速 : 至今可能已经死了2000多人了 : 尼玛就这样,当时召回的时候丰田公关买通各种水军到处宣扬丰田被美国政府为了救美 : 国车厂给黑了 : 而且明知道软件系统有缺陷,就是不去改进,到现在4年多了吧,还是老样子,ms只给
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 6 看了下nhtsa投诉,从1996年开始统计数据至今,ford 有8000多个自动加速投诉,
toyota是7000多个
确实没听说ford自动加速死人,但丰田那是死了一大堆
【在 L*******a 的大作中提到】 : 自动加速的是个车厂都有几个,但是加速后刹不住的独有Toyota一家
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i****a 发帖数: 36252 | 7 "It cites a 2011 report by the Transportation Department's
inspector general that showed Ford had the same number of deaths and
injuries from these electronic throttle controls as Toyota"
【在 g****5 的大作中提到】 : 因为自动加速死过人的有哪些厂?
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i****a 发帖数: 36252 | 8 "Ford had 22% of all complaints of unintended acceleration
during that period, more than any of the other major auto manufacturers"
【在 L*******a 的大作中提到】 : 自动加速的是个车厂都有几个,但是加速后刹不住的独有Toyota一家
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f****t 发帖数: 15913 | 9 我的天,102条命都摆平了,看来以后丰田车只能买手动的了。
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : 比较出名的audi,toyota : 其他家也可能有挂掉的,但是没听说过 : toyota最猛,nhtsa调查6000多个案例,因为人手不够只取了300个案例进行调查,最后 : 统计出来死了102个,而且这102个是有明确证据表明和自动加速有关系的,不知道还有 : 没有挂了但是没证据没法关联的。 : 最重要的是不知这300个案例是不是随机挑的,要是随机的话,也就是说丰田自动加速 : 至今可能已经死了2000多人了 : 尼玛就这样,当时召回的时候丰田公关买通各种水军到处宣扬丰田被美国政府为了救美 : 国车厂给黑了 : 而且明知道软件系统有缺陷,就是不去改进,到现在4年多了吧,还是老样子,ms只给
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 10 deaths and injuries from these electronic throttle controls as Toyota: 374
from 2003 through 2009
看清楚了,是death和injury一起统计的
ford要真死这么多,还不早就闹翻天了
尤其当年丰田被迫召回的时候,各种托儿文章满天飞
就是没看到过把ford拿出来当挡箭牌的
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】 : "Ford had 22% of all complaints of unintended acceleration : during that period, more than any of the other major auto manufacturers"
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 11 102条命只是这300个被调查案例里面的,还有更多的没调查的不知道死了多少
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】 : 我的天,102条命都摆平了,看来以后丰田车只能买手动的了。
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f******t 发帖数: 7283 | 13 taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本
来听上去真有那么一回事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。
想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸
的。
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : deaths and injuries from these electronic throttle controls as Toyota: 374 : from 2003 through 2009 : 看清楚了,是death和injury一起统计的 : ford要真死这么多,还不早就闹翻天了 : 尤其当年丰田被迫召回的时候,各种托儿文章满天飞 : 就是没看到过把ford拿出来当挡箭牌的
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E*********o 发帖数: 5965 | 14 当年你主子来南京大屠杀也不是有心屠杀的
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】 : taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本 : 来听上去真有那么一回事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。 : 想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸 : 的。
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l**********i 发帖数: 194 | 15 taigong/laoselang智商虽低,但精神可嘉
大过年的,人家都能飞禽望屎的编出有模有样的数据来黑丰田
虽然越黑丰田越好卖,但人家毫不为所动,吃纸一恒,坚持不泻
想想人家超级的敬业心和无比强大的心理承受力,日托不觉得相形见绌么?
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】 : taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本 : 来听上去真有那么一回事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。 : 想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸 : 的。
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 16 辩驳不了事实就开始搞人身攻击
这是受过培训的丰田托的一致表现
说道过犹不及,成天在那腆着脸鼓吹丰田reliable这个谎言不知道算不算,还有成天在
那忽悠人说丰田自动加速不算什么,换空档就行了的人也不知道算不算
想来对成天谎话连篇骗人的丰田的人来说应该不算的
我喋喋不休当复读机就是为了揭穿丰田的谎言,让更多人了解到事实的真相
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】 : taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本 : 来听上去真有那么一回事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。 : 想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸 : 的。
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T*********s 发帖数: 20444 | 17 这就是信仰
【在 l**********i 的大作中提到】 : taigong/laoselang智商虽低,但精神可嘉 : 大过年的,人家都能飞禽望屎的编出有模有样的数据来黑丰田 : 虽然越黑丰田越好卖,但人家毫不为所动,吃纸一恒,坚持不泻 : 想想人家超级的敬业心和无比强大的心理承受力,日托不觉得相形见绌么?
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f******t 发帖数: 7283 | 18 那咱们就用复读机来回复复读机吧。
taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本
来听上去挺像真的编出来的事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。
想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸
的。
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : 辩驳不了事实就开始搞人身攻击 : 这是受过培训的丰田托的一致表现 : 说道过犹不及,成天在那腆着脸鼓吹丰田reliable这个谎言不知道算不算,还有成天在 : 那忽悠人说丰田自动加速不算什么,换空档就行了的人也不知道算不算 : 想来对成天谎话连篇骗人的丰田的人来说应该不算的 : 我喋喋不休当复读机就是为了揭穿丰田的谎言,让更多人了解到事实的真相
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 19 说着说着就开始歪楼了
这是受过培训的为丰田工作的人士的第二个重要行为表现
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】 : 那咱们就用复读机来回复复读机吧。 : taigong/laoselang很愚蠢,不知道什么叫过犹不及。他那复读机般地喋喋不休,让本 : 来听上去挺像真的编出来的事情,反而变得是此地无银三百两,很假。 : 想必laoselang也会坚信当年中国领馆被美国导弹给炸了,真的不是因为美国有心要炸 : 的。
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s*****g 发帖数: 3693 | 20 就不提他ford爷爷收买媒体压死亡人数了
【在 l**********i 的大作中提到】 : taigong/laoselang智商虽低,但精神可嘉 : 大过年的,人家都能飞禽望屎的编出有模有样的数据来黑丰田 : 虽然越黑丰田越好卖,但人家毫不为所动,吃纸一恒,坚持不泻 : 想想人家超级的敬业心和无比强大的心理承受力,日托不觉得相形见绌么?
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l**********i 发帖数: 194 | 21 你是不是被丰田五毛队伍踢出来,然后就怀恨在心了?
楼主好好贴了个链接,有脑子的人都去仔细读读原文
就你火急火燎赶快去给福特擦屁股,顺便搬出你那套嘟囔了八百遍的话黑丰田,你烦不
烦啊?
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : 说着说着就开始歪楼了 : 这是受过培训的为丰田工作的人士的第二个重要行为表现
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 22 你黑我倒是真的
我哪儿黑丰田了,我只不过说了点事实,根据事实说了点猜测而已
【在 l**********i 的大作中提到】 : 你是不是被丰田五毛队伍踢出来,然后就怀恨在心了? : 楼主好好贴了个链接,有脑子的人都去仔细读读原文 : 就你火急火燎赶快去给福特擦屁股,顺便搬出你那套嘟囔了八百遍的话黑丰田,你烦不 : 烦啊?
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s*****g 发帖数: 3693 | 23 为什么美国只抓丰田打压,很简单,左逼政府怕搞垮三大呗,Ford收买媒体呗。
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】 : "It cites a 2011 report by the Transportation Department's : inspector general that showed Ford had the same number of deaths and : injuries from these electronic throttle controls as Toyota"
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l**********i 发帖数: 194 | 24 lol
我每次引用的话,不是你说的吗?
丰田收买媒体,收买IIHS造假,修车铺推荐丰田是为了多赚钱,这不都是你的伟大发现
吗?
给你多说了没用,你丫黑丰田肯定有隐情
我签名档已经说的很清楚了
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】 : 你黑我倒是真的 : 我哪儿黑丰田了,我只不过说了点事实,根据事实说了点猜测而已
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 25 丰田收买cr的话你能在网上找到,ford的你能么?
要是ford收买了cr,会被排到平均水平之下么?
明明表现比丰田好
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】 : 为什么美国只抓丰田打压,很简单,左逼政府怕搞垮三大呗,Ford收买媒体呗。
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s*****g 发帖数: 3693 | 26 Ford问题太大,收买媒体也掩盖不住质量实在太差的问题。
而且美国资本家什么样,谁掀Ford的盖子谁见不到明天的太阳。掀toyota的盖子就安全
多了。
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】 : 为什么美国只抓丰田打压,很简单,左逼政府怕搞垮三大呗,Ford收买媒体呗。
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 27 质量好还是差你大嘴一张就行了?
人nhtsa的投诉就是摆设是吧
还是你想说,丰田车主投诉的多,ford的少?
ford质量本身也没多好,不过平均水平偏上一点而已
但是你家丰田,那可是垫底之一,绝对的平均水平以下
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】 : Ford问题太大,收买媒体也掩盖不住质量实在太差的问题。 : 而且美国资本家什么样,谁掀Ford的盖子谁见不到明天的太阳。掀toyota的盖子就安全 : 多了。
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I******I 发帖数: 14241 | 28 福特屁股上的屎也不少。
当年ford SUV设计有问题,高速上容易爆胎,这事后来被众多死者给告上法庭了。
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】 : 就不提他ford爷爷收买媒体压死亡人数了
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 29 明明是你们小日本的轮胎不行,那些车现在不在路上跑的好好的
为啥换了别家轮胎问题就全解决了?
【在 I******I 的大作中提到】 : 福特屁股上的屎也不少。 : 当年ford SUV设计有问题,高速上容易爆胎,这事后来被众多死者给告上法庭了。
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s*****g 发帖数: 3693 | 30 翼虎断轴门之后仍然当选中国2013年度SUV
http://blog.autohome.com.cn/article/12188.html
被收买媒体的洗白文,被众多网友痛骂
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】 : Ford问题太大,收买媒体也掩盖不住质量实在太差的问题。 : 而且美国资本家什么样,谁掀Ford的盖子谁见不到明天的太阳。掀toyota的盖子就安全 : 多了。
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