y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 1 昨天讨论u turn路权的帖子一处，上百号回复在里面各抒己见，不乏争吵，两派意见，
也有和稀泥的。
我仔细想了一下，两派的意见可能都是对的，原因在于不同州的不同规定，（原贴楼主
好像也没说他的所在州）既然如此，不是在一个基础上的讨论，就不会用什么共识和结
果，与其这样，还不如把这种没有本州法律依据的讨论便成学习，不同州的朋友们贴出
自己州的规定，看看到底是怎么回事，让大家也都学习一下，不要浪费时间成本。
再有一个前提：法律上的东西就是用来钻牛角尖的，至于practically怎么样，是另外
的话题（比如defensively driving) ,不在本贴的讨论范围之内。
本人在加州，就贴加州的：
http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/turns.htm
里面详细说了什么情况可以 u turn,什么不可以，但是，最后的business district的
定义包括了大部分情况（如果是在城市里）的 u turn是不可以的。
In business districts. Areas with churches, apartments, multiple dwelling
houses, clubs, and public buildings (except schools) are also considered to
be business districts. Turn only at an intersection, unless a sign prohibits
it, or where openings are provided for turns.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
修改一下我上面的话，在business district里面不是不能u turn, 而是不能在一条路
上直接u turn,如果一个提供了转向的十字路口，同时又没有no turn sign，是可以u
turn的。
但是这只是对第8条的解读修改，不允许u turn的情况还有7种。 | y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 2 加州 Legal U-Turns
A U-turn is turning your vehicle around in the street to go back the way you
came. To make a U-turn, signal and use the far left lane or the center left
turn lane. You may make a legal U-turn:
1。Across a double yellow line when it is safe and legal.
2. In a residential district:
(1) If there are no vehicles approaching you within 200 feet.
(2) Whenever a traffic sign, light, or signal protects you from approaching
vehicles.
3.At an intersection on a green light or green arrow, unless a "No Uturn"
sign is posted.
4. On a divided highway, only if an opening is provided in the center
divider. | y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 3 加州Illegal U-Turns
Never make a U-turn:
1。At or on a railroad crossing.
2. On a divided highway by crossing a dividing section, curb, strip of land,
or two sets of double yellow lines.
3. Where you cannot see clearly 200 feet in each direction because of a
curve, hill, rain, fog, or other reason.
4. Where a "No U-Turn" sign is posted.
5. When other vehicles may hit you.
6. On a one-way street.
7. In front of a fire station. Never use a fire station driveway to turn
your vehicle around.
8. In business districts. Areas with churches, apartments, multiple dwelling
houses, clubs, and public buildings (except schools) are also considered to
be business districts. Turn only at an intersection, unless a sign
prohibits it, or where openings are provided for turns. | b********6
发帖数: 35437 | 4 坚持stop sign有路权的可以去把wiki pedia改一下
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_turn_on_red
At intersections where U-turns are permitted and controlled by an arrow from
the left-most lane, motorists turning right on red onto the same road ***
must yield to*** those making U-turns before turning, as the motorists
making U-turns have the right of way and a collision could easily occur. At
intersections where U-turns are prohibited in the same fashion, a green
right turn arrow will sometimes appear with the red light for those turning
right onto the road, allowing only traffic turning right to proceed without
having to stop or yield to other vehicles. Some states such as California
have "No U-Turn" signs posted at these intersections because of the green
right turn arrow. | s*****g
发帖数: 3693 | 5 禁止的是没有路口的情况下直接掉头。这种做法只有在居民小区能行。
绝大部分路口只要没有禁止标志都可以u-turn，市区也是。
市中心都是one-way，所以无所谓u-turn
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: 昨天讨论u turn路权的帖子一处，上百号回复在里面各抒己见，不乏争吵，两派意见，
: 也有和稀泥的。
: 我仔细想了一下，两派的意见可能都是对的，原因在于不同州的不同规定，（原贴楼主
: 好像也没说他的所在州）既然如此，不是在一个基础上的讨论，就不会用什么共识和结
: 果，与其这样，还不如把这种没有本州法律依据的讨论便成学习，不同州的朋友们贴出
: 自己州的规定，看看到底是怎么回事，让大家也都学习一下，不要浪费时间成本。
: 再有一个前提：法律上的东西就是用来钻牛角尖的，至于practically怎么样，是另外
: 的话题（比如defensively driving) ,不在本贴的讨论范围之内。
: 本人在加州，就贴加州的：
: http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/turns.htm
| B*****r
发帖数: 473 | 6 很遗憾，我就是在加州，估计你没仔细看后面的帖子。我uturn的地方符合你列的第四
条。我这条路的限速是50mile。
4. On a divided highway, only if an opening is provided in the center
divider.
科普一下，我走的这条大路是城市的major arterial street，也算highway：
In American law, the word "highway" is sometimes used to denote any public
way used for travel, whether major highway, freeway, turnpike, street, lane,
alley, pathway, dirt track, footpaths, and trails, and navigable waterways;
[4] however, in practical and useful meaning, a "highway" is a major and
significant, well-constructed road that is capable of carrying reasonably
heavy to extremely heavy traffic. | y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 7 你对第8点的解读我同意，但同时别忘记第5点阿 illegal u turn When other
vehicles may hit you.
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 禁止的是没有路口的情况下直接掉头。这种做法只有在居民小区能行。
: 绝大部分路口只要没有禁止标志都可以u-turn，市区也是。
: 市中心都是one-way，所以无所谓u-turn
| y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 8 你对第8点的解读我同意，但同时别忘记第5点阿 illegal u turn When other
vehicles may hit you.
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 禁止的是没有路口的情况下直接掉头。这种做法只有在居民小区能行。
: 绝大部分路口只要没有禁止标志都可以u-turn，市区也是。
: 市中心都是one-way，所以无所谓u-turn
| D****i
发帖数: 243 | 9 那个stop sign左拐的老头是个傻逼。
如果你是lamborbikini，直接撞丫的。 | D****i
发帖数: 243 | 10 同样stop sign不让别的车也是illegal when other vehicles may hit you.
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你对第8点的解读我同意，但同时别忘记第5点阿 illegal u turn When other
: vehicles may hit you.
| | | y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 11 原楼主，你好，不好意思，确实没有看你后来的帖子，实在太长了。
你觉得你遇到的境况是否属于加州 illegal u turn中的第5条呢？ When other
vehicles may hit you。
you
left
【在 B*****r 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾，我就是在加州，估计你没仔细看后面的帖子。我uturn的地方符合你列的第四
: 条。我这条路的限速是50mile。
: 4. On a divided highway, only if an opening is provided in the center
: divider.
: 科普一下，我走的这条大路是城市的major arterial street，也算highway：
: In American law, the word "highway" is sometimes used to denote any public
: way used for travel, whether major highway, freeway, turnpike, street, lane,
: alley, pathway, dirt track, footpaths, and trails, and navigable waterways;
: [4] however, in practical and useful meaning, a "highway" is a major and
: significant, well-constructed road that is capable of carrying reasonably
| i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 12 uturn没有stop动作快，恐怕只能撞stop的尾巴啦
【在 D****i 的大作中提到】
: 同样stop sign不让别的车也是illegal when other vehicles may hit you.
| B*****r
发帖数: 473 | 13 这个也要看other vehicle是从哪里来的吧？如果是对面的车开过来，当然不能uturn。
科普一下，我走的这条大路是城市的major arterial street，也算highway：
In American law, the word "highway" is sometimes used to denote any public
way used for travel, whether major highway, freeway, turnpike, street, lane,
alley, pathway, dirt track, footpaths, and trails, and navigable waterways;
[4] however, in practical and useful meaning, a "highway" is a major and
significant, well-constructed road that is capable of carrying reasonably
heavy to extremely heavy traffic. | c****p
发帖数: 6474 | 14 Right turn against a red light–Signal and stop for a red traffic light at
the marked limit line. If there is no limit line, stop before entering the
crosswalk. If there is no crosswalk, stop before entering the intersection.
You may turn right if there is no sign to prohibit the turn. Yield to
pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, or other vehicles moving on their
green light.
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你对第8点的解读我同意，但同时别忘记第5点阿 illegal u turn When other
: vehicles may hit you.
| y*****y
发帖数: 2948 | 15 这个是讲how to make a right turn的。
"on their green light" 的条件在这个案例里没有啊。
.
【在 c****p 的大作中提到】
: Right turn against a red light–Signal and stop for a red traffic light at
: the marked limit line. If there is no limit line, stop before entering the
: crosswalk. If there is no crosswalk, stop before entering the intersection.
: You may turn right if there is no sign to prohibit the turn. Yield to
: pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, or other vehicles moving on their
: green light.
| l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 16 有stop sign的你可以忽略这一条，因为stop sign是必须等路上的车子都清空了才能走
，就像前面说的，stop的车子也有一条When other : vehicles may hit you。
也就是说对方stop不让并不是说这个地方不能uturn
也不是说lz必须让stop sign右转的，stop前有车子就不能uturn
所以最终结果就是lz有路权，而且可以正当uturn
只不过遇到横的确实要让一下
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: 原楼主，你好，不好意思，确实没有看你后来的帖子，实在太长了。
: 你觉得你遇到的境况是否属于加州 illegal u turn中的第5条呢？ When other
: vehicles may hit you。
:
: you
: left
| A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 17 扯淡，你停stop sign这么停的？马路清空了才走
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 有stop sign的你可以忽略这一条，因为stop sign是必须等路上的车子都清空了才能走
: ，就像前面说的，stop的车子也有一条When other : vehicles may hit you。
: 也就是说对方stop不让并不是说这个地方不能uturn
: 也不是说lz必须让stop sign右转的，stop前有车子就不能uturn
: 所以最终结果就是lz有路权，而且可以正当uturn
: 只不过遇到横的确实要让一下
| r***k
发帖数: 13586 | 18 只要没撞上，就算清空了。不清空的定义就是撞上了。
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: 扯淡，你停stop sign这么停的？马路清空了才走
| d*****0
发帖数: 68029 | 19 还要加上没有警察
【在 r***k 的大作中提到】
: 只要没撞上，就算清空了。不清空的定义就是撞上了。
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