f*********y
发帖数: 164 | | L*******a
发帖数: 1693 | 2 啥意思啊？好还是不好啊？
【在 f*********y 的大作中提到】
: 本田的cvt箱子可不是丰田的质量
| r***i
发帖数: 9780 | 3 丰田的一样烂，只不过市场控制做得好，有点反馈立马全都灭口了
好比本版，出来个问丰田车问题的帖子，铁定保存不了三天就没了
你去问版主，版主说不知道，可能是发帖人删掉了 | i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 4 这个瞎扯的吧，hongda变速箱不行，toyota的一直比较稳定，虽然有个别自动加速，这
个居然还会有疑问？既然都删掉了丰田还加速个啥，recall个啥？
【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 丰田的一样烂，只不过市场控制做得好，有点反馈立马全都灭口了
: 好比本版，出来个问丰田车问题的帖子，铁定保存不了三天就没了
: 你去问版主，版主说不知道，可能是发帖人删掉了
| A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 5 也有说是站务
【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 丰田的一样烂，只不过市场控制做得好，有点反馈立马全都灭口了
: 好比本版，出来个问丰田车问题的帖子，铁定保存不了三天就没了
: 你去问版主，版主说不知道，可能是发帖人删掉了
| f*********y
发帖数: 164 | 6 比丰田差，问题要三年十万才能暴露
：啥意思啊？好还是不好啊？
： | l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 7 你去嗖嗖投诉，丰田的变速箱投诉虽然没honda多但是一样不少的，比没用双离合之前
的focus都多
你平时都没听说过吧？就是因为丰田市场部门有一部分投入是花在删贴这种负面消息掩
盖上了
我记得之前看过一个网站，corolla的，里面首页几十个帖子我找出来1、20个都是变速
箱出问题的
看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆，然后掩盖事实的，你就会知道，在网上丰田在干同样的
事情
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended acceleration with her 2009 Toyota Corolla and brought the car
into the Penske Toyota dealership in Round Rock, Texas. According to the
filing, a Toyota internal document says a Toyota "technician" took Deck's
car out on an inspection drive.
The document states, according to the filing, that after proceeding from a
stoplight, the "tech[nician] started to lightly accelerate" and after
travelling "20-30 feet the vehicle exhibited a slight hesitation and then
began to accelerate on its own." Engine speed "was estimated to have gone
from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm at the time of the occurrence," according to the
filing.
When contacted by ABC News, Deck said the dealership told her that they were
able to replicate sudden acceleration in the Corolla. She said Toyota
subsequently bought her Corolla back from her, but said she couldn't divulge
more details because Toyota required her to sign both a confidentiality
agreement about the sale and an agreement not to sue Toyota.
In Milpitas, California, the owner of a 2009 Toyota Tacoma brought his truck
into the Piercey Toyota dealership after complaining that the vehicle
accelerated without explanation. According to the court filing, another
Toyota internal document states that in July of 2009 a dealership service
manager took the vehicle on an inspection drive on a nearby freeway.
"As there was no traffic in front of them, the Service Manager removed his
foot from the accelerator [and]moved it completely away from the pedal area,
" the document states, according to the filing, and "[t]he vehicle continued
to accelerate at what felt like [an estimated] 70% throttle input with no
pedal contact from the driver [and] within 300 feet of the initial
acceleration, the vehicle had reached 95 MPH."
The document states, according to the filing, that the floor mats were
securely in place at the time of the incident and no fault codes were
generated by the onboard computer and "[a]s the Service Manager who
experienced the condition above is considered to be trustworthy and reliable
, the vehicle will be repurchased for further investigation."
When reached by ABC News, the owner of the Tacoma confirmed that Toyota had
bought the Tacoma back from him and said the dealer informed him that they
were able to replicate sudden acceleration in the vehicle. The driver, who
asked not to be named, told ABC News that while Toyota did not ask him to
sign a confidentiality agreement they urged him not to talk about the case.
According to California's vehicle Lemon Law, owners cannot be required to
sign confidentiality agreements over vehicles with possible defects.
"The deeper we dig into the facts that surround Toyota, the more damning the
evidence that Toyota was aware of the issue, and failed to act responsibly,
" said Steve Berman, co-lead counsel for plaintiffs in the class action suit
. "Toyota's been publicly blaming drivers, floor mats and pedals for
acceleration defects while quietly removing defective vehicles from the
market."
According to plaintiff's lawyers, who say they have investigated hundreds of
complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas, the Corolla and the Tacoma
are the only cases they are aware of where Toyota has re-purchased vehicles
after an alleged case of sudden acceleration.
When asked about the cases by ABC News, Toyota said that it is not unusual
for the company to repurchase vehicles "as part of our commitment to
investigate acceleration concerns." According to Toyota spokesperson Brian
Lyons, owners are not required to sign confidentiality agreements when a
vehicle is bought back, but "they enter into them voluntarily as part of a
mutual settlement agreement."
Lyons confirmed that Toyota had repurchased the Tacoma and Corolla in
question, and said that Toyota engineers have been "driving and evaluating"
the vehicles "thousands of miles and no problems have been found" and "we
continue to drive these vehicles even today." "As well as these vehicles, [
since April Toyota] has evaluated approximately 4,200 vehicles in North
America. Toyota has not found a single case in which the vehicle's
electronic throttle control system would lead to unintended acceleration,"
said Lyons.
Toyota said that it had informed the NHTSA about the cases through the
company's "Field Technical Report process." However, Olivia Alair, a
spokesperson for the Department of Transportation said an investigation
revealed that Toyota did not report the incidents to NHTSA at the time of
the occurrences. Instead, the memos detailing the cases were among hundreds
of thousands of other documents that were submitted to NHTSA earlier this
year after the agency initiated a probe into the sudden acceleration issue
in February. According to Alair, NHTSA is "currently in discussions with
Toyota about these incidents."
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这个瞎扯的吧，hongda变速箱不行，toyota的一直比较稳定，虽然有个别自动加速，这
: 个居然还会有疑问？既然都删掉了丰田还加速个啥，recall个啥？
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