b***i
发帖数: 77 | 1 Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox
to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another
title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball
players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according
to lawyers with knowledge of the results. |
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 2
Sox
another
according
The entire position player roster of 2004 redsox team is dubious, a lot of
player you never hear from again.
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox
: to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another
: title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball
: players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according
: to lawyers with knowledge of the results.
|
r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 3 03养鸡一堆知名药王，鼻涕特，积压比，一棍子，火箭，闷得希。。。。。05前联盟根
本不抓刻药的
红袜的v队长估计也嗑，反正没抓着就不算。还有戴蒙跑到你们鸡队，焕发了第二春，
一下变成slugger
了。
of
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: Sox
: another
: according
: The entire position player roster of 2004 redsox team is dubious, a lot of
: player you never hear from again.
|
h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 4 It looks like very power hitter are users at that time, not red sox
players only.
of
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: Sox
: another
: according
: The entire position player roster of 2004 redsox team is dubious, a lot of
: player you never hear from again.
|
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 5
Good point.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: It looks like very power hitter are users at that time, not red sox
: players only.
:
: of
|
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 6 狗咬狗，一嘴毛
【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: 03养鸡一堆知名药王，鼻涕特，积压比，一棍子，火箭，闷得希。。。。。05前联盟根
: 本不抓刻药的
: 红袜的v队长估计也嗑，反正没抓着就不算。还有戴蒙跑到你们鸡队，焕发了第二春，
: 一下变成slugger
: 了。
:
: of
|
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 7 TAMPA - David Ortiz is fed up with his sport being sullied by one steroi
ds story after another. His solution: more testing and more severe punis
hments.
"I think you clean up the game by the testing," Ortiz said at Red Sox ca
mp in Fort Myers, Fla. "I test you, you test positive, you're going to b
e out. Period.
Ortiz, who emerged as one of the premier sluggers in the game in 2003 wi
th Boston after spending six largely forgettable years in Minnesota, bel
ieves all players on all teams should b
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: 狗咬狗，一嘴毛
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 8 NY times这次牛鼻大法了，下次博士屯 gloabe也来个牛鼻的内幕回应一下，最好v队长
再把鸡队长咬
出来。
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: 狗咬狗，一嘴毛
|
|
a***n
发帖数: 5520 | 9 这料不算啥,把消息来源爆出来玩玩才算猛
【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: NY times这次牛鼻大法了，下次博士屯 gloabe也来个牛鼻的内幕回应一下，最好v队长
: 再把鸡队长咬
: 出来。
|
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 10 hmm, if Ortiz used the same fertility drug that ManRam used, would that make
him the big Mami? |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 11
别傻了，Globe belongs to NYT.
【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: NY times这次牛鼻大法了，下次博士屯 gloabe也来个牛鼻的内幕回应一下，最好v队长
: 再把鸡队长咬
: 出来。
|
r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 12 NYT也不是属于你们养鸡队的，就是疏于鸡队，能catch eye也会照爆不误，赚钱就行了，管你丫三五
六呢，资本家老板都这德性的。
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 别傻了，Globe belongs to NYT.
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b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 13
You are so right, Miss Sour Grape.
Kevin Millar can not possibly draw that tide-turning walk in ALCS game 4,
inning 9, bottom; it should not count.
Bill Mueller can not possibly hit that tsunami-generating RBI in ALCS game 4
, inning 9, bottom; it should not count.
Mark Bellhorn can not possibly hit that game-winning homer in ALCS game 6;
it should not count.
Bronson Arroyo can not possibly tag ARod in ALCS game 6; it should count as
the greatest base running of all time.
Johnny Damon can not p
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 别傻了，Globe belongs to NYT.
|
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 14 A-Rod was hung out to dry and crucified as the first of the 104. Well since
no one LIKES A-Rod everyone in the media were split as to whether the other
103 should be released. Damn right they should. Not fair for 1 person, no
matter how much he is disliked get all the slings and arrows while the other
103 got to breathe a sigh of relief. |
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 15 这俩报纸本来就是一伙的。
【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: NY times这次牛鼻大法了，下次博士屯 gloabe也来个牛鼻的内幕回应一下，最好v队长
: 再把鸡队长咬
: 出来。
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 16 其实Yankees和Redsox也只是MLB这个公司的俩支部而已。
大家装作很苦大仇深的样子好骗球迷们的钱。都是他喵的business
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这俩报纸本来就是一伙的。
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 17 Manny 的HOF估计要彻底完蛋了。
Ortiz反正本来也进不了。
估计Edgar Martinez的股票要升了。
Sox
another
according
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox
: to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another
: title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball
: players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according
: to lawyers with knowledge of the results.
|
s**e
发帖数: 1834 | 18 Dave Roberts should be on the list as well.
4
as
happens
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
:
: You are so right, Miss Sour Grape.
: Kevin Millar can not possibly draw that tide-turning walk in ALCS game 4,
: inning 9, bottom; it should not count.
: Bill Mueller can not possibly hit that tsunami-generating RBI in ALCS game 4
: , inning 9, bottom; it should not count.
: Mark Bellhorn can not possibly hit that game-winning homer in ALCS game 6;
: it should not count.
: Bronson Arroyo can not possibly tag ARod in ALCS game 6; it should count as
: the greatest base running of all time.
|
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 19 does it make any difference?
现在谁都甭装逼。叫得大声的hypocrite被人揭穿，就是现世报。
【在 s**e 的大作中提到】
: Dave Roberts should be on the list as well.
:
: 4
: as
: happens
|
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 20 also, steroids/HGH don't necessarily improve everybody. If not for THE
SB nobody gives him a damn.
【在 s**e 的大作中提到】
: Dave Roberts should be on the list as well.
:
: 4
: as
: happens
|
|
|
p********e
发帖数: 6030 | |
B****s
发帖数: 796 | 22 要说焕发第二春，没人比县令焕的猛。Career 10-15 win NL pitcher until the age
of 35. Then the second spring came right in the middle of PED explosion. Put
up more wins in the last few seasons than his first 15 seasons combined.
Show me a better "second spring" in the history of baseball other than Bonds
and Clemens.
【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: 03养鸡一堆知名药王，鼻涕特，积压比，一棍子，火箭，闷得希。。。。。05前联盟根
: 本不抓刻药的
: 红袜的v队长估计也嗑，反正没抓着就不算。还有戴蒙跑到你们鸡队，焕发了第二春，
: 一下变成slugger
: 了。
:
: of
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 23 你这个论据用的不对。wins不是一个衡量投手水平的数据。
age
Put
Bonds
【在 B****s 的大作中提到】
: 要说焕发第二春，没人比县令焕的猛。Career 10-15 win NL pitcher until the age
: of 35. Then the second spring came right in the middle of PED explosion. Put
: up more wins in the last few seasons than his first 15 seasons combined.
: Show me a better "second spring" in the history of baseball other than Bonds
: and Clemens.
|
B****s
发帖数: 796 | 24 Not the only stats, for sure. But the most important one. All you need to do
is to compare his career with other pitchers, same era of his or otherwise.
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这个论据用的不对。wins不是一个衡量投手水平的数据。
:
: age
: Put
: Bonds
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 25 衡量一个投手的实际水平，wins应该算是属于最不important ones了。
衡量先发投手，应该用IP，ERA+，WHIP，K/BB这些来说明。
你的论点或许有一定道理，但是用wins作为论据，整个论断就没什么意义了。大家都知
道90年代的Phillies是大烂队，在那个队一年拿15个win都算是很猛了。
do
otherwise.
【在 B****s 的大作中提到】
: Not the only stats, for sure. But the most important one. All you need to do
: is to compare his career with other pitchers, same era of his or otherwise.
|
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 26 He's smart to retire before his is exposed, and he could continue to big
-mouth like hypocrites.
age
Put
Bonds
【在 B****s 的大作中提到】
: 要说焕发第二春，没人比县令焕的猛。Career 10-15 win NL pitcher until the age
: of 35. Then the second spring came right in the middle of PED explosion. Put
: up more wins in the last few seasons than his first 15 seasons combined.
: Show me a better "second spring" in the history of baseball other than Bonds
: and Clemens.
|
B****s
发帖数: 796 | 27 For a 20-year career, number of wins is a fair way to value a pitcher. 15
wins per year in any team would be a good number. I don't deny he had always
been a good pitcher. But not the one he had shown at the end of his career.
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 衡量一个投手的实际水平，wins应该算是属于最不important ones了。
: 衡量先发投手，应该用IP，ERA+，WHIP，K/BB这些来说明。
: 你的论点或许有一定道理，但是用wins作为论据，整个论断就没什么意义了。大家都知
: 道90年代的Phillies是大烂队，在那个队一年拿15个win都算是很猛了。
:
: do
: otherwise.
|
a***n
发帖数: 5520 | 28 long term wins还是很能说明问题的
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 衡量一个投手的实际水平，wins应该算是属于最不important ones了。
: 衡量先发投手，应该用IP，ERA+，WHIP，K/BB这些来说明。
: 你的论点或许有一定道理，但是用wins作为论据，整个论断就没什么意义了。大家都知
: 道90年代的Phillies是大烂队，在那个队一年拿15个win都算是很猛了。
:
: do
: otherwise.
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 29 你混淆了两个概念：成就和能力。
win基本上是代表着一个投手的成就，和能力的相关度相对较低。
要衡量一个投手的能力，应该用和能力相关度高的数据来讨论。
你的论断显然是在讨论Schilling的能力在加入响尾蛇后有所提高，这个用wins来说事
就没什么意义了。
always
career.
【在 B****s 的大作中提到】
: For a 20-year career, number of wins is a fair way to value a pitcher. 15
: wins per year in any team would be a good number. I don't deny he had always
: been a good pitcher. But not the one he had shown at the end of his career.
|
B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 30 去查一查Jamie Moyer的career stats。。。
do
otherwise.
【在 B****s 的大作中提到】
: Not the only stats, for sure. But the most important one. All you need to do
: is to compare his career with other pitchers, same era of his or otherwise.
|
|
|
B****s
发帖数: 796 | 31 Even if you are into the numbers, you can still find the ability of a
pitcher, reflected more directly by ERA, IP etc., is almost always
correlated to the wins. When the number of wins is used to evaluate a
pitcher, it's never far off. If you look at Jamie Moyer's numbers, the years
when he got more wins, almost all (not all, of course) are the ones he had
lower ERA. Although in his case, pitching style certainly played a more important
role in his longevity.
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你混淆了两个概念：成就和能力。
: win基本上是代表着一个投手的成就，和能力的相关度相对较低。
: 要衡量一个投手的能力，应该用和能力相关度高的数据来讨论。
: 你的论断显然是在讨论Schilling的能力在加入响尾蛇后有所提高，这个用wins来说事
: 就没什么意义了。
:
: always
: career.
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 32 现在的情况是，05年以前谁嗑药都不奇怪，没被抓到就是没嗑。。。
以前那70个homer都是人的数据马？md不嗑药怎么可能 |
