b********n
发帖数: 4256 | |
q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 2 not a chance
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Would you do it ？
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 3
why not? I think it's a pretty fair deal for both sides...
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: not a chance
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b********n
发帖数: 4256 | |
q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 5 Howard makes more than Pujols for the next two years, and then you
would face the same problem of trying to resign a superstar. Makes
no sense.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
:
: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4994845
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h*****p
发帖数: 2638 | |
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 7 The same problem will be delayed for the next 2 years, and you never know
what the MLB economy is going to be after two years. It makes sense for both
sides.
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: Howard makes more than Pujols for the next two years, and then you
: would face the same problem of trying to resign a superstar. Makes
: no sense.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 8 霍华德年轻，还可以提高。
反正你只要穿上红鸟队队服，他们粉丝都会爱你爱到死的，呵呵。。。
【在 h*****p 的大作中提到】
: 霍华德那个打击率，sigh
|
h*****p
发帖数: 2638 | 9 十年前有人会用barry bonds换jim thome吗？
both
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: The same problem will be delayed for the next 2 years, and you never know
: what the MLB economy is going to be after two years. It makes sense for both
: sides.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 10
这个对比不太合适，因为霍华德现在要好过当时的头没。
【在 h*****p 的大作中提到】
: 十年前有人会用barry bonds换jim thome吗？
:
: both
|
|
|
s**e
发帖数: 1834 | 11 On paper, 霍华德(70后) is older than Pujols (80后).
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 霍华德年轻，还可以提高。
: 反正你只要穿上红鸟队队服，他们粉丝都会爱你爱到死的，呵呵。。。
|
a********l
发帖数: 39524 | |
s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 13 Howard is still a big time noshow that any lefty can retire.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 这个对比不太合适，因为霍华德现在要好过当时的头没。
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 14 1-1, nobody will do it.
This is way blown out of proportion. I am sure "ideas"
like this are discussed in the front office everywhere.
But this is exactly why ideas are cheap because loads
of them never see action, such as this one.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Would you do it ？
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 15 not trying to be a smartass. In some ways, I think
this trade makes sense. Thome is a lot younger than
Bonds and makes less, and was a legit homerun hitter
with good average. I think some GM out there may pull
the trigger.
【在 h*****p 的大作中提到】
: 十年前有人会用barry bonds换jim thome吗？
:
: both
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 16 nod nod. This really puzzles me. Give Howard a lefty who can
throw breaking pitch, then he cannot hit. You thought he has
been up for so long, and should have learned how to deal with
this. I guess this says once again how difficult baseball really
is.
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: Howard is still a big time noshow that any lefty can retire.
|
a********l
发帖数: 39524 | |
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 18 Great deal for phillies. |
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 19 on paper...hoho.
【在 s**e 的大作中提到】
: On paper, 霍华德(70后) is older than Pujols (80后).
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 20 Howard is one of the top 3 offensive players in NL...maybe 90% of pujols?
Thome was about top 15 in AL at the time, at best top 10...
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: Howard is still a big time noshow that any lefty can retire.
|
|
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 21 ok, I'll add a #3 or #4 pitcher in the package for pojols...
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: 1-1, nobody will do it.
: This is way blown out of proportion. I am sure "ideas"
: like this are discussed in the front office everywhere.
: But this is exactly why ideas are cheap because loads
: of them never see action, such as this one.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 22 1-2, nobody will do it.
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: not trying to be a smartass. In some ways, I think
: this trade makes sense. Thome is a lot younger than
: Bonds and makes less, and was a legit homerun hitter
: with good average. I think some GM out there may pull
: the trigger.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 23 which team will be the potential suitor for Pujols if he leaves SL via free
agency?
【在 a********l 的大作中提到】
: TLR not very amused by all this:
: http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/commishs-hot-stove/commishs-hot-stove/cardinal-beat-updates/2010/03/la-russa-irked-by-pujols-rumors/
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 24
kinda...
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
: Great deal for phillies.
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 25 You only have a handful of choice. NYY, BOS, LAA, NYM, CWS. I doubt any
other team can afford him while having a plan for him for like 10 years.
Among these teams, BOS is the most logical choice. BOS needs a 1B anyway,
and Pujols is as good as it gets.
free
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: which team will be the potential suitor for Pujols if he leaves SL via free
: agency?
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 26 dude, can you name 10 better offensive players in 2001 in entire MLB
than a 30-year-old Thome, let alone AL, when Bonds hit 73 homers?
I just checked baseball reference, and I cannot.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Howard is one of the top 3 offensive players in NL...maybe 90% of pujols?
: Thome was about top 15 in AL at the time, at best top 10...
|
a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 27
howard has .1 point lower in his split against lefthander.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Howard is one of the top 3 offensive players in NL...maybe 90% of pujols?
: Thome was about top 15 in AL at the time, at best top 10...
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 28 He can also consider Bal, Tor, Sea, LAD, Cubs, Washington, maybe Taxes,
Braves...
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: You only have a handful of choice. NYY, BOS, LAA, NYM, CWS. I doubt any
: other team can afford him while having a plan for him for like 10 years.
: Among these teams, BOS is the most logical choice. BOS needs a 1B anyway,
: and Pujols is as good as it gets.
:
: free
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 29
You don't define a player's career by one peaking year, otherwise Brady
Anderson will be in the HOF...
When comparing Thome with his peers in his era,for the players that I think
who are better or compatible to jim T...I have Arod, Albert belle. Chipper
Jones. Mike piazza. Manny. Carlos Delgado. Jeff Bagwell. Rafael Palmeiro,
Larry Walker, ken griffey jr, lance berkman, if you count some of the known
roid users, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Bonds, BigMac, Sosa...
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: dude, can you name 10 better offensive players in 2001 in entire MLB
: than a 30-year-old Thome, let alone AL, when Bonds hit 73 homers?
: I just checked baseball reference, and I cannot.
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 30 what are you somking?
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: He can also consider Bal, Tor, Sea, LAD, Cubs, Washington, maybe Taxes,
: Braves...
|
|
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 31 别激动，有话慢慢说，先把字给拼对了。。。
看不懂，俺可以给你科普.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: what are you somking?
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 32 haha, I second AROD. What are you smkoing?
seriously, Thome had a brilliant career. He may very well
be on his way to Cooperstown. We were talking about whether
a GM will trade a 38 year old homerun king for
a 30 year old up and coming power hitter who makes millions
less. My point is of course somebody will do this.
And your point is?
think
known
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 别激动，有话慢慢说，先把字给拼对了。。。
: 看不懂，俺可以给你科普.
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 33 hehe, I was stunned by his list including TOR. Jays willing to
sign Pujols? It looks like he has no clue which country Toronto is.
And Pujols signing with Nats? hehe
Chipper
,
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: haha, I second AROD. What are you smkoing?
: seriously, Thome had a brilliant career. He may very well
: be on his way to Cooperstown. We were talking about whether
: a GM will trade a 38 year old homerun king for
: a 30 year old up and coming power hitter who makes millions
: less. My point is of course somebody will do this.
: And your point is?
:
: think
: known
|
t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 34 nats那个太搞笑了。
boston估计都养不起pujols，他要是上了FA估计只有NYY和LAD靠谱，NYM...先打进季后
赛再说吧。 |
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 35 Hoho...what do you want me to say?
Your point is that trading Bonds at the age of 38 for Thome at the age of 30
, one on one, is a fair deal.
My point is that it's a ridiculous proposal and all the GMs will laugh at
you and hang up on you right away.
Talking about Bonds at the age of 38, without knowing that he was a steroids
user, Barry Bonds was considered the best player ever in the history of
baseball. At the age of 38, he had 45HRs, 90 RBI in 390AB, he hit one HR
every 8.6ABs. He had 148 wa
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: haha, I second AROD. What are you smkoing?
: seriously, Thome had a brilliant career. He may very well
: be on his way to Cooperstown. We were talking about whether
: a GM will trade a 38 year old homerun king for
: a 30 year old up and coming power hitter who makes millions
: less. My point is of course somebody will do this.
: And your point is?
:
: think
: known
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 36 Pujols is not just a missing piece of the puzzle that you can add to a
winning team, he is a major franchise player at his prime, and you can build
a team around him.
Tor's owner is Rogers cable Co., it is a number one cable company in Canada,
has a lot of dough. Vernon Wells' ridiculous fat contract will be over in 3
years, it's almost the same time when Pujols becomes a free agent. Why not
to have a big franchise player like Pujols to build a whole team around? Don
't forget, Tor is in AL east
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: hehe, I was stunned by his list including TOR. Jays willing to
: sign Pujols? It looks like he has no clue which country Toronto is.
: And Pujols signing with Nats? hehe
:
: Chipper
: ,
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 37 就冲你那两把刷子，还来拍我？省省吧。
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: hehe, I was stunned by his list including TOR. Jays willing to
: sign Pujols? It looks like he has no clue which country Toronto is.
: And Pujols signing with Nats? hehe
:
: Chipper
: ,
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 38 搞笑的不是我的帖子，搞笑的是你无知。
Nats去年想签Mark Teixeira的时候，就曾给出了最大的contract offer，起码是180m/
8ys，有的说是200m/10ys. 很多球员不去Nats是因为那个烂队没人要去，并不是Nats付
不起钱。打开你的小脑瓜想想，who is the better player, Pojols or Tex？if the
Nats can spend big money on Tex, why can't they spend big money on the
better player, Pojols?
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: nats那个太搞笑了。
: boston估计都养不起pujols，他要是上了FA估计只有NYY和LAD靠谱，NYM...先打进季后
: 赛再说吧。
|
q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 39 How is a team with a bottom-ten attendance going to pay for Pujols'
contract?
build
Canada,
3
not
Don
NYY
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Pujols is not just a missing piece of the puzzle that you can add to a
: winning team, he is a major franchise player at his prime, and you can build
: a team around him.
: Tor's owner is Rogers cable Co., it is a number one cable company in Canada,
: has a lot of dough. Vernon Wells' ridiculous fat contract will be over in 3
: years, it's almost the same time when Pujols becomes a free agent. Why not
: to have a big franchise player like Pujols to build a whole team around? Don
: 't forget, Tor is in AL east
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 40 1. Wells那个contract足够填补Pujols的contract?
2. 你知不知道Pujols去Tor会比在美国多交多少税？
3. 你知不知道"compete against BOS and NYY"意味着老板赚钱容易还是困难？
4. 同理你知不知道年年跟那俩队争季后赛名额还基本挣不到的情况下有哪个大牌
愿意去？
build
Canada,
3
not
Don
NYY
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Pujols is not just a missing piece of the puzzle that you can add to a
: winning team, he is a major franchise player at his prime, and you can build
: a team around him.
: Tor's owner is Rogers cable Co., it is a number one cable company in Canada,
: has a lot of dough. Vernon Wells' ridiculous fat contract will be over in 3
: years, it's almost the same time when Pujols becomes a free agent. Why not
: to have a big franchise player like Pujols to build a whole team around? Don
: 't forget, Tor is in AL east
|
|
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 41 200m/10y连特谢啦都抢不到，你说扑猴得脑抽筋到什么程度才能接受一个Nats
老板付得起的价格？
180m/
the
季后
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑的不是我的帖子，搞笑的是你无知。
: Nats去年想签Mark Teixeira的时候，就曾给出了最大的contract offer，起码是180m/
: 8ys，有的说是200m/10ys. 很多球员不去Nats是因为那个烂队没人要去，并不是Nats付
: 不起钱。打开你的小脑瓜想想，who is the better player, Pojols or Tex？if the
: Nats can spend big money on Tex, why can't they spend big money on the
: better player, Pojols?
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 42 用那位butterbean网友的牛皮付
in
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: How is a team with a bottom-ten attendance going to pay for Pujols'
: contract?
:
: build
: Canada,
: 3
: not
: Don
: NYY
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 43 when Tor is good, the stadium is full. Tor is in a rebuilding process now,
plus their owner is rich, and they are willing to spend money...in the right
way.
also, you have revenue sharing from the rich teams, I will rather teams put
the revenue sharing money into the player's salary instead of their own
packets.
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: How is a team with a bottom-ten attendance going to pay for Pujols'
: contract?
:
: build
: Canada,
: 3
: not
: Don
: NYY
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 44 "they are willing to spend money". So please tell us why they
let Doc go. Or give us any evidence of they are willing to spend.
right
put
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: when Tor is good, the stadium is full. Tor is in a rebuilding process now,
: plus their owner is rich, and they are willing to spend money...in the right
: way.
: also, you have revenue sharing from the rich teams, I will rather teams put
: the revenue sharing money into the player's salary instead of their own
: packets.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 45 你就在旁边打打你的小手枪吧
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 用那位butterbean网友的牛皮付
:
: in
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 46 你真烦，我给你最后一次科普：
Doc is 32 going on 33.Tor is not going win with him so they let him go. Tor
is in a rebuilding process. As a matter of fact, Tor was spending money till
the last few years when they realized that they aren't going to win with
the current group of players.
i have heard many interviews from Tor GM and Tor newspaper writers and
reporters. you probably don't know that Tor is in AL east, the same division
with NYY and BOS.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: "they are willing to spend money". So please tell us why they
: let Doc go. Or give us any evidence of they are willing to spend.
:
: right
: put
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 47 1. Wells那个contract足够填补Pujols的contract?
wells 18m/y,Pujols 25m/y...minus Doc's salary?
2. 4.
Tor can give Pujols offers, whether he wants to go or not, is his choice.
The debating topic is which teams can afford Pujols, not which team he
prefers to go. Do you understand?
3. when Tor is good, the stadium is full. I guess you don't know that TB
Rays was in the WS 2008, not the NYY, not the BOS.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 1. Wells那个contract足够填补Pujols的contract?
: 2. 你知不知道Pujols去Tor会比在美国多交多少税？
: 3. 你知不知道"compete against BOS and NYY"意味着老板赚钱容易还是困难？
: 4. 同理你知不知道年年跟那俩队争季后赛名额还基本挣不到的情况下有哪个大牌
: 愿意去？
:
: build
: Canada,
: 3
: not
|
A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 48 呵呵，我不知道Jays在AL East?我注册这个ID时候你还在玩尿泥呢。
你那点棒球常识连AL East另外仨队对大牌球星有吸引力还是排斥力
都整不明白。球星不愿意去，你光说你掏得起跟别的队一样的钱
有个屁用。Jays给Pujols 50m/y他肯定愿意去了，Jays老板能掏吗？
Tor
till
division
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你真烦，我给你最后一次科普：
: Doc is 32 going on 33.Tor is not going win with him so they let him go. Tor
: is in a rebuilding process. As a matter of fact, Tor was spending money till
: the last few years when they realized that they aren't going to win with
: the current group of players.
: i have heard many interviews from Tor GM and Tor newspaper writers and
: reporters. you probably don't know that Tor is in AL east, the same division
: with NYY and BOS.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 49 我捧你，你难道没听出来？
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我不知道Jays在AL East?我注册这个ID时候你还在玩尿泥呢。
: 你那点棒球常识连AL East另外仨队对大牌球星有吸引力还是排斥力
: 都整不明白。球星不愿意去，你光说你掏得起跟别的队一样的钱
: 有个屁用。Jays给Pujols 50m/y他肯定愿意去了，Jays老板能掏吗？
:
: Tor
: till
: division
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 50
你栽了，认了吧。
you are so weak.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我不知道Jays在AL East?我注册这个ID时候你还在玩尿泥呢。
: 你那点棒球常识连AL East另外仨队对大牌球星有吸引力还是排斥力
: 都整不明白。球星不愿意去，你光说你掏得起跟别的队一样的钱
: 有个屁用。Jays给Pujols 50m/y他肯定愿意去了，Jays老板能掏吗？
:
: Tor
: till
: division
|
|
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 51 hehe
dude, read the last sentence you wrote, and think again. hehe
peace
30
steroids
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Hoho...what do you want me to say?
: Your point is that trading Bonds at the age of 38 for Thome at the age of 30
: , one on one, is a fair deal.
: My point is that it's a ridiculous proposal and all the GMs will laugh at
: you and hang up on you right away.
: Talking about Bonds at the age of 38, without knowing that he was a steroids
: user, Barry Bonds was considered the best player ever in the history of
: baseball. At the age of 38, he had 45HRs, 90 RBI in 390AB, he hit one HR
: every 8.6ABs. He had 148 wa
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 52 dude, this is out of the line. you do not win respect with
personal attack.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你就在旁边打打你的小手枪吧
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 53 Doc is at his prime. When Pujols signs his next contract,
he will be 32/33 as well. What difference does it make?
Both players are considered among the very best in MLB.
If Jays let Doc go, why would they go after Pujols?
Your argument just is not self consistent.
Tor
till
division
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你真烦，我给你最后一次科普：
: Doc is 32 going on 33.Tor is not going win with him so they let him go. Tor
: is in a rebuilding process. As a matter of fact, Tor was spending money till
: the last few years when they realized that they aren't going to win with
: the current group of players.
: i have heard many interviews from Tor GM and Tor newspaper writers and
: reporters. you probably don't know that Tor is in AL east, the same division
: with NYY and BOS.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 54
So forget the last sentence I wrote, do you still think it's a fair trade
now?
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: hehe
: dude, read the last sentence you wrote, and think again. hehe
: peace
:
: 30
: steroids
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 55
Nah, I was just fucking with him.
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: dude, this is out of the line. you do not win respect with
: personal attack.
|
b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 56 You see, your problem is that you pick and choose. You only choose the stat
that supports your point but not represents the real facts.
You chose the best year from Thome and the not so great year from Bonds, to
support your point that trading Bonds at 38 with Thome at 30 was a fair
trade. Maybe you forgot or you don't understand that Bonds hit one HR every
8.6ABs with an OPS of 1.278 that year.
You chose Doc's 33 now compare with Pujos is going to be 32/33 in two years
when he becomes a free ag
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: Doc is at his prime. When Pujols signs his next contract,
: he will be 32/33 as well. What difference does it make?
: Both players are considered among the very best in MLB.
: If Jays let Doc go, why would they go after Pujols?
: Your argument just is not self consistent.
:
: Tor
: till
: division
|
n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 57 ok, you win. hehe
stat
to
every
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【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: You see, your problem is that you pick and choose. You only choose the stat
: that supports your point but not represents the real facts.
: You chose the best year from Thome and the not so great year from Bonds, to
: support your point that trading Bonds at 38 with Thome at 30 was a fair
: trade. Maybe you forgot or you don't understand that Bonds hit one HR every
: 8.6ABs with an OPS of 1.278 that year.
: You chose Doc's 33 now compare with Pujos is going to be 32/33 in two years
: when he becomes a free ag
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发帖数: 39524 | |
t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 59 我有说过nats搞笑是因为他们穷吗？甚至，我有说过nats搞笑是因为什么吗？拜托，别
默认你是这最“有知”的...
如果人人都只为了$那rays啊padres什么的就赶紧退出完了。有人才也留不住。光有钱
有个P用，nats再big money也得有人愿意去那才行。你也承认球员不去是因为烂，这才
是我说nats搞笑的原因。
180m/
the
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑的不是我的帖子，搞笑的是你无知。
: Nats去年想签Mark Teixeira的时候，就曾给出了最大的contract offer，起码是180m/
: 8ys，有的说是200m/10ys. 很多球员不去Nats是因为那个烂队没人要去，并不是Nats付
: 不起钱。打开你的小脑瓜想想，who is the better player, Pojols or Tex？if the
: Nats can spend big money on Tex, why can't they spend big money on the
: better player, Pojols?
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 60 我觉得Mets can be a good fit for AP.
They need a power hitting 1st baseman anyway. |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 61 If Pujols leaves the Cards, he'll only go to a perennial contender.
I just don't see the Mets being one. There are only a handful of
teams that fit the profile. Unfortunately, when all is said and done,
NYY and BOS are probably the most logical choices.
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得Mets can be a good fit for AP.
: They need a power hitting 1st baseman anyway.
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M******k
发帖数: 27573 | 62 他不是已经拿过冠军了？
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: If Pujols leaves the Cards, he'll only go to a perennial contender.
: I just don't see the Mets being one. There are only a handful of
: teams that fit the profile. Unfortunately, when all is said and done,
: NYY and BOS are probably the most logical choices.
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 63 一个不够呗
【在 M******k 的大作中提到】
: 他不是已经拿过冠军了？
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 64 按照他的愿望，每年都拿差不多。
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 一个不够呗
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b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 65 玩one liner装酷,厚厚。
反正我发贴都是有根据的，你们以后知道就好。省的我长篇大论的。。。我自己都觉着
无聊。
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: ok, you win. hehe
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