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s******n
发帖数: 518
1
第五条讲的就是怎样打客场。客场要少上篮,多跳投
第六条讲的是多摔跤找同情。不说假摔吧,像昨天被人搞了至少该在地上多呆会儿。其
实很多人质疑小林够不够皮实,昨天摔得狠大家都看到了,他马上爬起来也是证明自己
够硬朗。
IMHO, the refs have a pretty complicated situation with Jeremy Lin.
First, the league and Stern will point things out to refs but never directly
tell them, not anything that can be documented, to officiate a certain way
or not for a specific player or team. Nothing that can be construed as "I
want this team to advance in the playoffs" and "I want you to job this
player" This is so Stern can have complete deniability. I.E. I never said
for anyone to do this or that, they did that on their own. What Stern and
Stu Jackson will do is make sure any ref who does not toe the line and
figure it out, give them what they want without it being said, will not be
promoted, will not get raises, will not get playoff work and will eventually
be cycled out of the league.
Second, if you are going to be a ref and cheat for Stern ( i.e. favor the
players he wants to market, advance the teams he wants to move up for the
ratings, and keep nationally televised games close), you can't look like you
are cheating anyone. Hence, home teams will always be at an advantage. The
way replays are shown and telecasts are done are designed to favor the home
team. Stern will not punish refs for keeping the home crowd happy and to not
incite problems on replay or the JumboTron during the game. Teams who win
all their home games and lose all their road games, their season ticket
holders will remember all those home wins. This is how you get them to renew
. Esp with so much of the league either tanking or treadmilling or have no
hope in hell to win a ring or get better, these teams need all the help they
can to retain season ticket holders.
Third, star players will always get calls over non star players, within a
pecking order. The average NBA fan tunes in to see the stars, particularly
their favorite stars, and that's not going to be fun to pay out the nose to
see a game in person if your favorite star player gets fouled out for
playing defense in the third quarter. This isn't just an impact on offense,
but also on defense. Boston fans pay to see Garnett and Allen and Pierce
play, if they hack Lin, part of it is because refs don't want to foul out
these players or get them into foul trouble. Game isn't so fun for Celtic
faithful if Pierce is on the bench near the end of the game with five fouls
and the coach trying to figure out when to put him back in.
Fourth, if your free throw shooting is not predictive, refs can't gauge the
impact of giving you free throws to keep a game close. You know Nash will
hit 90 plus percent of his free throws. That's reliable. You know Dwight
Howard will hit one of two. That's reliable. Lin hits like 70 percent-75
percent. Sometimes he hits two, sometimes he hits one. If he wants better
calls, he has to make his free throw shooting more predictive for refs. I'm
not saying it's fair or I like it or it's got any integrity to it, but this
is how IMHO, the NBA works for superstar calls.
Fifth, Lin is going to have to adjust his game from the road to home. At
home, he will get more calls. On the road, to Miami or Boston, it's a
different story. On the road he's going to have to shoot more jumpers and
let Melo go into isolation more and try to feed Chandler in the post. On the
road, you have to be a jump shooting team, this is where refs can't hurt
you. You can't get jobbed on a three point attempt. There is no phantom
contact they can make up.
Sixth, sadly Lin is going to have flop more. I hate flopping. I hate that so
many players do it. But it works, which is why they do it. Lin attracts a
lot of non hard core casual fans, who won't see a flop, but will see Lin
crash onto the floor, a skinny 23 year old nice Christian Asian boy, with a
couple of hulking 6'9 poor educated black guys menacing over him. This is
where I agree with another poster, that Lin has to pay some rookie dues, but
also D'Antoni has to use the press to protect Lin. All that is needed is
for many Asian networks and affiliates to show Lin being hammered over and
over by huge black guys, and D'Antoni saying he hopes Lin doesn't get hurt,
for the headlines there to say that a bunch of jealous black oversized thugs
are beating the hell out of Lin. Lin is worth a billion dollars in
marketing potential to the NBA and the foothold to further globalize the
game for Stern, do you think he wants the foreign press to run those stories
? Good hearted, humble, underdog, who went to the good school and said the
right things and is the biggest story in sports is being beaten to a pulp by
the thug life wannabe rap star image that Stern has desperately tried to
move away from. Stern thinks about the billion dollars, he yells at Silver,
who yells at Stu Jackson, who yells at the head of refs, who has no idea
what is going on, except that Stern is pissed, he starts yelling, refs worry
about losing their raises and perks and then Lin is shooting 10 free throws
a game again.
Seventh, D'Antoni is going to have to send Bill Walker out there to throw a
forearm in someone's face. Take the technical and get refs to WARN everyone.
Then after that, every hack on Lin looks like retaliation , not the
standard game plan that it has become. Once the refs warn everyone, they
have to enforce that to keep their authority, and Lin gets more calls. And
if they don't, it will show up on the JumboTron, for all to see in the
highlights, the refs warning both benches and then Lin getting hacked to
death. The foreign press picks it up and now the league won't do anything to
protect Lin against the common thuggery that has driven away a good chunk
of Caucasian, Asian and female potential viewers in the past.
Eighth, eventually Lin is going to have to stick someone in the face. These
other players are not falling out of Mensa meetings. Most of them are poorly
educated and poorly socialized and it is a hazing process for a rookie.
They want to see how much they can hit him and get away with it. Again, this
is how the current thug life rap star glitz marketing self promoting
chucker NBA behaves. Some players just won't respect him until he draws
blood. IMHO, Lin hasn't figured out yet that the refs can't and won't foul
him out on defense, they'll get him in foul trouble or toss him if he's
blatant or do it at the end of a game that won't matter or isn't close, but
in some games, some close ones and national TV ones, they aren't going to
call everything. That's when he can smack around players who aren't as
marketable. He can kick, jab, elbow, knee, kidney punch, spit, pull and
hammer on a Norris Cole or Mario Chalmers. He can't do that to a Wade or a
Ray Allen.
I love the Lin story, not only is he an underdog, but he throws the entire
reverse racism NBA culture on it's heels. In the NBA, he's the minority. In
the NBA, he's the novelty. In the NBA, he has to prove he's twice as good
and work four times as hard to get the same credit as some thug life yo who
can dunk over a car. The sad thing is Lin wants to play team ball, but the
league is not designed for team ball, the league is designed for marketing
and profit above all else, and if you want a clean game or clean calls, you
have to lobby and manipulate and politic for them like Phil Jackson did.
Lin has to learn to play the "other game" in the NBA that matters for his
success. He is right now the most marketable athlete in the entire world and
he has to use that leverage and the love of the crowd to his advantage.
原帖:
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41201
s******n
发帖数: 518
2
小林昨天被人恶意犯规,要是他自己接受采访肯定说NBA tough game对谁都一样。帖子
的作者认为小林作为少数亚裔肯定会受到更多的打击,应该利用自己的市场价值争取受
到联盟更多保护。

directly

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 第五条讲的就是怎样打客场。客场要少上篮,多跳投
: 第六条讲的是多摔跤找同情。不说假摔吧,像昨天被人搞了至少该在地上多呆会儿。其
: 实很多人质疑小林够不够皮实,昨天摔得狠大家都看到了,他马上爬起来也是证明自己
: 够硬朗。
: IMHO, the refs have a pretty complicated situation with Jeremy Lin.
: First, the league and Stern will point things out to refs but never directly
: tell them, not anything that can be documented, to officiate a certain way
: or not for a specific player or team. Nothing that can be construed as "I
: want this team to advance in the playoffs" and "I want you to job this
: player" This is so Stern can have complete deniability. I.E. I never said

e***t
发帖数: 14386
3
问题就是NYK跳投太屎

directly

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 第五条讲的就是怎样打客场。客场要少上篮,多跳投
: 第六条讲的是多摔跤找同情。不说假摔吧,像昨天被人搞了至少该在地上多呆会儿。其
: 实很多人质疑小林够不够皮实,昨天摔得狠大家都看到了,他马上爬起来也是证明自己
: 够硬朗。
: IMHO, the refs have a pretty complicated situation with Jeremy Lin.
: First, the league and Stern will point things out to refs but never directly
: tell them, not anything that can be documented, to officiate a certain way
: or not for a specific player or team. Nothing that can be construed as "I
: want this team to advance in the playoffs" and "I want you to job this
: player" This is so Stern can have complete deniability. I.E. I never said

c***s
发帖数: 4895
4
没用,当年兰比尔微笑刺客把帮主搞得灰头土脸,人走下坡路了,帮主才开始前三联后
三联
d********e
发帖数: 1468
5
第七条,第八条其实更应景。讲的就是该怎样对付恶意犯规。
s******n
发帖数: 518
6
是应景,但我觉得knicks做不出来

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 第七条,第八条其实更应景。讲的就是该怎样对付恶意犯规。
d**e
发帖数: 9591
7
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【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 是应景,但我觉得knicks做不出来
T***c
发帖数: 17256
8
this makes much more senses than "let the nba hear our voice"
NYK is the biggest market team in nba, it's time to cash that, guess NYK won
't be too stupid to realize that....
e*******e
发帖数: 9616
9
If david stern doesn't know what he should do, NYK boss can get him fired.
Not kidding.

won

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: this makes much more senses than "let the nba hear our voice"
: NYK is the biggest market team in nba, it's time to cash that, guess NYK won
: 't be too stupid to realize that....

d**e
发帖数: 9591
10
###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: this makes much more senses than "let the nba hear our voice"
: NYK is the biggest market team in nba, it's time to cash that, guess NYK won
: 't be too stupid to realize that....

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T***c
发帖数: 17256
11
there's f foul in a lot of games and a lot of players got hurt, but we
seldom heard that fans
organized and directly complained to nba. there's a reason, think about it.
we want lin to be "untouchable", but we don't want lin has a "can't be
touched" tag on his fronthead, which only draw more aggo.
just my 2cents,a better way is pressure on NYK, let the team do the job

【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: ###此帖已应当事人要求删除###
d**e
发帖数: 9591
12
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【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: there's f foul in a lot of games and a lot of players got hurt, but we
: seldom heard that fans
: organized and directly complained to nba. there's a reason, think about it.
: we want lin to be "untouchable", but we don't want lin has a "can't be
: touched" tag on his fronthead, which only draw more aggo.
: just my 2cents,a better way is pressure on NYK, let the team do the job

e*******e
发帖数: 9616
13
it is the franchise owner that have a saying.
Coach is nothing in nba food chain.

【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
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e***t
发帖数: 14386
14
it doesn't matter.
At the end of the day, what really matters is whether lin
has a longer/less injury-plagued career, for lin fans.

it.

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: there's f foul in a lot of games and a lot of players got hurt, but we
: seldom heard that fans
: organized and directly complained to nba. there's a reason, think about it.
: we want lin to be "untouchable", but we don't want lin has a "can't be
: touched" tag on his fronthead, which only draw more aggo.
: just my 2cents,a better way is pressure on NYK, let the team do the job

d**e
发帖数: 9591
15
###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: it is the franchise owner that have a saying.
: Coach is nothing in nba food chain.

s******n
发帖数: 518
16
转贴里也提到了球迷的作用。为了市场,裁判都会照顾球星,有人为林嚷嚷怎么都算好
事。

it.

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: there's f foul in a lot of games and a lot of players got hurt, but we
: seldom heard that fans
: organized and directly complained to nba. there's a reason, think about it.
: we want lin to be "untouchable", but we don't want lin has a "can't be
: touched" tag on his fronthead, which only draw more aggo.
: just my 2cents,a better way is pressure on NYK, let the team do the job

e*******e
发帖数: 9616
17
Because he is Phil Jackson, not just a coach, but a powerful mentalist.

【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: ###此帖已应当事人要求删除###
d**e
发帖数: 9591
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###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 转贴里也提到了球迷的作用。为了市场,裁判都会照顾球星,有人为林嚷嚷怎么都算好
: 事。
:
: it.

T***c
发帖数: 17256
19
the bottom line is, it's probably better not single out lin, especially lin
is already quite "singled out" as the asian lonel star/linsanity.
f foul is inevitable in bball game, and the player committing it normally
won't get seriously punished. let's recall, andrew "the elbow" bynum sent
GWallace to surgery, and bare lost anything. even worse, those thug-wannabe
nigga on the court, don't really think about "市场" before they act.
that's why I don't think fans directly "嚷嚷" to nba or to the media is a
good idea, which draw more aggo for lin from those thug-wannabes. "playas
got hurt everyday, wtf u so special? " "oh lin is the league's baby""he's so
protected" those thought are enough to trigger those narrowminded stupid
nigga to do some stupid thing.
嚷嚷 to NYK and let the team handle it is a better idea to me, NYK is the
biggest market team, as long as NYK realizes how valuable lin is(ie, how many fans lin has), they has enough power to make things happen. plus draw less aggo to lin in this
way.

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 转贴里也提到了球迷的作用。为了市场,裁判都会照顾球星,有人为林嚷嚷怎么都算好
: 事。
:
: it.

s******n
发帖数: 518
20
林作为NBA异类,要打出来怎么都会被single out.要压制those thug-wannabes,靠什
么?终归要靠联盟的保护也就是裁判。联盟关心的就是钱,球迷的声音当然有用。NYK,
能做的也是逼联盟处罚,要不真派人上场打回来?7,8条就是这么劝的,呵呵。我在想
谁是林的马龙?姐夫会不会帮他找回来?

lin
wannabe
so

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: the bottom line is, it's probably better not single out lin, especially lin
: is already quite "singled out" as the asian lonel star/linsanity.
: f foul is inevitable in bball game, and the player committing it normally
: won't get seriously punished. let's recall, andrew "the elbow" bynum sent
: GWallace to surgery, and bare lost anything. even worse, those thug-wannabe
: nigga on the court, don't really think about "市场" before they act.
: that's why I don't think fans directly "嚷嚷" to nba or to the media is a
: good idea, which draw more aggo for lin from those thug-wannabes. "playas
: got hurt everyday, wtf u so special? " "oh lin is the league's baby""he's so
: protected" those thought are enough to trigger those narrowminded stupid

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e***t
发帖数: 14386
21
what's aggo? do you mean aggro?

lin
wannabe
so

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: the bottom line is, it's probably better not single out lin, especially lin
: is already quite "singled out" as the asian lonel star/linsanity.
: f foul is inevitable in bball game, and the player committing it normally
: won't get seriously punished. let's recall, andrew "the elbow" bynum sent
: GWallace to surgery, and bare lost anything. even worse, those thug-wannabe
: nigga on the court, don't really think about "市场" before they act.
: that's why I don't think fans directly "嚷嚷" to nba or to the media is a
: good idea, which draw more aggo for lin from those thug-wannabes. "playas
: got hurt everyday, wtf u so special? " "oh lin is the league's baby""he's so
: protected" those thought are enough to trigger those narrowminded stupid

T***c
发帖数: 17256
22
y... thx for correcting me...

【在 e***t 的大作中提到】
: what's aggo? do you mean aggro?
:
: lin
: wannabe
: so

T***c
发帖数: 17256
23
I never say 球迷的声音 not 有用, but this approach draw too much aggro to
lin, probably trigger more dangerous foul on him.
I just think 球迷的声音 to NYK is a better approac.

NYK,

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 林作为NBA异类,要打出来怎么都会被single out.要压制those thug-wannabes,靠什
: 么?终归要靠联盟的保护也就是裁判。联盟关心的就是钱,球迷的声音当然有用。NYK,
: 能做的也是逼联盟处罚,要不真派人上场打回来?7,8条就是这么劝的,呵呵。我在想
: 谁是林的马龙?姐夫会不会帮他找回来?
:
: lin
: wannabe
: so

s******n
发帖数: 518
24
如果球迷的声音招来场上的报复,更加提醒了联盟要重视对林的保护。林自己想好好打
球打团队球,没急着当明星出风头。虽说人低调不遭人恨,但没了风头也就得不到对明
星的照顾。

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: I never say 球迷的声音 not 有用, but this approach draw too much aggro to
: lin, probably trigger more dangerous foul on him.
: I just think 球迷的声音 to NYK is a better approac.
:
: NYK,

T***c
发帖数: 17256
25
having NYK backing him up, Lin will get star treatment for sure, and 低调不
遭人恨 defnitely can avoid some tragedy.

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 如果球迷的声音招来场上的报复,更加提醒了联盟要重视对林的保护。林自己想好好打
: 球打团队球,没急着当明星出风头。虽说人低调不遭人恨,但没了风头也就得不到对明
: 星的照顾。

e***t
发帖数: 14386
26
老中的传统思维。。

【在 T***c 的大作中提到】
: having NYK backing him up, Lin will get star treatment for sure, and 低调不
: 遭人恨 defnitely can avoid some tragedy.

T***c
发帖数: 17256
27
it's a funny way to think like that

【在 e***t 的大作中提到】
: 老中的传统思维。。
T***c
发帖数: 17256
28
btw the way lin's playing, is far far away from"低调""没了风头", no need to
worry about that.

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 如果球迷的声音招来场上的报复,更加提醒了联盟要重视对林的保护。林自己想好好打
: 球打团队球,没急着当明星出风头。虽说人低调不遭人恨,但没了风头也就得不到对明
: 星的照顾。

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