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m****a
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刚才看了一个基督徒网站,非常同意里面的一些观点。
这是根据Quakers这个教派创始人George Fox的一些看法而创建的,我个人觉得这一章
关于仁慈--true grace讲的很有道理:
http://www.hallvworthington.com/grace.html
We all agree Jesus forgives us for our past sins, but did Jesus come so that
we can continue to sin without guilt, or did he come to destroy our sin?
Did Jesus come to set the captives free from guilt, or did he come to set
us free from the bondage of sin? Did Jesus come so that we can continue to
sin without guilt, or did he come to lead us to repentance and remission of
sin? If knowing the truth will set you free, from what are we supposed to be
set free - guilt or sin?
Doesn't a removal of guilt make sin easier for us all, allowing us to sin
more without fear; so Jesus came so we can sin more, so Jesus came to
promote sin? Doesn't this makes Jesus evil? Could the devil make sin any
easier than the guilt-free ease of sin this false doctrine attributes to
Jesus? This is a major deception. Jesus said, I tell you the truth, everyone
who sins is a slave to sin. John 8:34. If we are a slave to sin, he can't
be our Lord. You are the slaves of him whom you obey, whether that be to sin
, which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness. Rom 6:
16,19. What about repentance? His message was: unless you repent, you too
will all perish. Luke 13:3. Certainly our sins are forgiven us while we seek
to become free of sin, but we had better be sure we are repenting to work
out our salvation that leads to purification and the rest, otherwise we will
fall short of the mark.
Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to
enter that rest, that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief
and disobedience [that the Jews in the wilderness showed]. Heb 4:11. This
is a serious warning to all who call themselves Christians: to avoid losing
your soul and being banned from heaven, as the Jews were killed in the
desert and banned from entering the promise land because of unbelief in God'
s promises, you must zealously labor in faith to attain the promised rest of
the spiritual Sabbath, which is union with God and entrance into the
Kingdom of Heaven, within you and around you. We sit down in Christ to enter
the rest, to enter the rest from fighting our enemies, like Israel entered
the rest from fighting and purging their land of the surrounding heathen
peoples; only our enemies are spiritual: lust, rage, pride, selfishness,
envy, greed, covetousness, jealousy, lying, cheating, stealing, sexual
immorality, profane language, and evil thoughts, etc. Salvation is to be
delivered and released from sin and be protected from evil, sanctified
from our enemies of sin. Let it not be said of you: This is the rest by
which you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing; yet they
would not hear. Isa 28:12.
For God has not called us to uncleanness, but to holiness. 1 Thes 4:7
m****a
发帖数: 9485
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作者真的认识进入高荣国度的要求是什么了。就是窄门是要靠努力才可以进入的,不是
信了,什么也不做就能够的,也不是还继续犯罪也能进入的。这是某些神学理论误导人
的误区。
但同时,中荣国度的人也是得救的,他们不能得到可以跟天父同在的荣耀,却可以跟子
M******n
发帖数: 43051
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...原来父与子还不同在的啊

【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
: 作者真的认识进入高荣国度的要求是什么了。就是窄门是要靠努力才可以进入的,不是
: 信了,什么也不做就能够的,也不是还继续犯罪也能进入的。这是某些神学理论误导人
: 的误区。
: 但同时,中荣国度的人也是得救的,他们不能得到可以跟天父同在的荣耀,却可以跟子

m****a
发帖数: 9485
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在天父那里要求是非常高的,圣经说他是完全圣洁的,不能允许任何不洁的事物。基督
徒最高的目标是要像上帝那样圣洁,杜绝再犯罪。做不到的,在千禧年之后的大审判中
,不能进入高荣国度---就是可以回到上帝的家。
耶稣作为指定的千禧年的君王,他是可以跟高荣和中荣同在的。当然耶稣以及将来由于
行为正义而圣洁的基督徒--无论是什么教派的,都可以回到上帝天上的家,与天父同在
,也可以与中荣的人同在。但是中荣的人由于不能也不愿意按照高荣律法而生活,所以
不能进入高荣的国度,但是他们可以按照中荣律法,进入中荣的国度。这些都是在生以
及灵的世界接受了耶稣的赎价的人们,也是愿意悔改而行正义的人们。
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=265&sourceId

【在 M******n 的大作中提到】
: ...原来父与子还不同在的啊
m****a
发帖数: 9485
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圣经记载早期基督徒是努力这样按照圣洁的标准和律法生活的,他们彼此称为“圣徒”
。耶稣基督后期圣徒教会恢复了这一称号。
但这并不意味到加入教会就圣洁了,而是鼓励每一位教友要努力按照高荣律法去生活,
努力切实按照圣灵在生活当中的指引去做。能否进入高荣国度,要等到耶稣回来之后才
判定的。从他回来,一直到千禧年后的大审判,会有更多的启示和更多的教导,帮助人
努力成圣。
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