t*d 发帖数: 1290 | 1 An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50%
of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be
repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently
reported (see Further information) and discussed.
From:
Nature Reviews Drug Discovery
Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug
targets?
Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah |
g****1 发帖数: 261 | 2
50%
be
recently
drug
It's true that identification of drug target has been a very difficult
challenge for several decades. The current drug development process of
screening compounds and testing in animal and human without truly
understanding the "mechanistic insight" hasn't been working well. Whoever
develops a good method to find small molecule target is going to become
famous.
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】 : An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50% : of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be : repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently : reported (see Further information) and discussed. : From: : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery : Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug : targets? : Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah
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t*d 发帖数: 1290 | 3 这个和制药难不难是两马事。
能不能做出来是一回事,你做的东西是否可重复是另外一回事。
【在 g****1 的大作中提到】 : : 50% : be : recently : drug : It's true that identification of drug target has been a very difficult : challenge for several decades. The current drug development process of : screening compounds and testing in animal and human without truly : understanding the "mechanistic insight" hasn't been working well. Whoever : develops a good method to find small molecule target is going to become
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l****t 发帖数: 1454 | 4 50%太高了吧,俺们曾经在某华人大牛实验室呆过,期间同僚们发了好几篇Nature,但
是实际上这几篇文章内容,要么作者都无法重复出来稳定结果,要么就别的实验室无法
重复,发信来质问声讨,屁用没有。很多结果连实验室内部的人都不相信
说白了就是,生物的不确定性太多了,很多都是学术垃圾,包括无数CNS
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drug
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】 : An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50% : of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be : repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently : reported (see Further information) and discussed. : From: : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery : Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug : targets? : Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah
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v*****s 发帖数: 20290 | 5 希腊有个组专门干这事,重复人家的结果,重复不出来以后就去爆料。现在活得好像很
滋润,citation爆多,那个老板好像是哈佛毕业的,他自己都很惊讶他到现在都还没被
科学圈封杀。
我很奇怪他的funding哪儿来的。
50%
recently
drug
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】 : An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50% : of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be : repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently : reported (see Further information) and discussed. : From: : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery : Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug : targets? : Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah
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t*d 发帖数: 1290 | 6 有制药公司专门请人重复他们感兴趣的研究。如果可以重复,就继续做; 不可重复就拉
到。这样比蒙头上好多了。
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】 : 希腊有个组专门干这事,重复人家的结果,重复不出来以后就去爆料。现在活得好像很 : 滋润,citation爆多,那个老板好像是哈佛毕业的,他自己都很惊讶他到现在都还没被 : 科学圈封杀。 : 我很奇怪他的funding哪儿来的。 : : 50% : recently : drug
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s******y 发帖数: 28562 | 7 我觉得NIH 应该设一个专门funding 来资助这种研究。
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】 : 希腊有个组专门干这事,重复人家的结果,重复不出来以后就去爆料。现在活得好像很 : 滋润,citation爆多,那个老板好像是哈佛毕业的,他自己都很惊讶他到现在都还没被 : 科学圈封杀。 : 我很奇怪他的funding哪儿来的。 : : 50% : recently : drug
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a********k 发帖数: 2273 | 8 就安排intramural的几个lab做呗,固定每年给一笔资金,对用自己资助的项目抽查。
所有生物材料原实验室必须无条件提供,对每篇paper只抽查核心1-2个实验。查出一个
作假10年不能申请NIH funding。这样估计就没有太多实验室敢冒险了。
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得NIH 应该设一个专门funding 来资助这种研究。
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s******y 发帖数: 28562 | 9 好主意:)
可惜很难实现。。。
唉。。。
【在 a********k 的大作中提到】 : 就安排intramural的几个lab做呗,固定每年给一笔资金,对用自己资助的项目抽查。 : 所有生物材料原实验室必须无条件提供,对每篇paper只抽查核心1-2个实验。查出一个 : 作假10年不能申请NIH funding。这样估计就没有太多实验室敢冒险了。
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h**********8 发帖数: 650 | 10 他们咋才知道啊?
50%
recently
drug
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】 : An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50% : of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be : repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently : reported (see Further information) and discussed. : From: : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery : Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug : targets? : Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah
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o*****a 发帖数: 2335 | 11 这个好几年前的老文章文章跟你的题目也很吻合
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pm
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
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recently
drug
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】 : An unspoken rule among early-stage venture capital firms that “at least 50% : of published studies, even those in top-tier academic journals, can't be : repeated with the same conclusions by an industrial lab” has been recently : reported (see Further information) and discussed. : From: : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery : Believe it or not: how much can we rely on published data on potential drug : targets? : Florian Prinz, Thomas Schlange & Khusru Asadullah
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v*****s 发帖数: 20290 | 12 对,这篇文章的作者就是我说的那个希腊的组。他是哈佛毕业的,我印象里面他最早在
97年还在美国的时候就在一个很好的杂志上发了类似的文章,从此一发不可收拾,广受
好评,回希腊以后还当了系主任,专门研究methodology,前两年time做过专访。
【在 o*****a 的大作中提到】 : 这个好几年前的老文章文章跟你的题目也很吻合 : http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pm : Why Most Published Research Findings Are False : : 50% : recently : drug
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t******t 发帖数: 15246 | 13 这个不错,NIH应该拨出1%的FUNDING,FUND这种学术诚信的对比研究。
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】 : 对,这篇文章的作者就是我说的那个希腊的组。他是哈佛毕业的,我印象里面他最早在 : 97年还在美国的时候就在一个很好的杂志上发了类似的文章,从此一发不可收拾,广受 : 好评,回希腊以后还当了系主任,专门研究methodology,前两年time做过专访。
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v*****s 发帖数: 20290 | 14 他高端就高端在从不指责诚信和rp的问题,而是笼统的说是方法论的问题,不是你有意
造假,而是种种客观条件限制(最常见的一条就是临床医生普遍小学统计学不及格)导
致你的结论是错误的,他研究的方向就是如何改善普及方法论,减少这类错误,所以他
比方舟子待遇好多了。
【在 t******t 的大作中提到】 : 这个不错,NIH应该拨出1%的FUNDING,FUND这种学术诚信的对比研究。
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t******t 发帖数: 15246 | 15 他还要在学术界混啊,搞到RP问题,那些灌水NATURE的大佬们肯定把丫的往死里整,在
他文章里面鸡蛋里面挑骨头不是难事。
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】 : 他高端就高端在从不指责诚信和rp的问题,而是笼统的说是方法论的问题,不是你有意 : 造假,而是种种客观条件限制(最常见的一条就是临床医生普遍小学统计学不及格)导 : 致你的结论是错误的,他研究的方向就是如何改善普及方法论,减少这类错误,所以他 : 比方舟子待遇好多了。
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