S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | |
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 2 什么叫做分餐吃饭？难道一天不是分成三餐吃的么？还是一餐就要把一天的都吃下去？
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 还是依旧一团和气，毫不在乎，互相共享彼此的口水
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D*a
发帖数: 6830 | |
S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 4 什么意思？
我多少年没用筷子的
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 你吃饭吸筷子头的吗？
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 5 哦我明白了
你的意思是说
你吃饭的时候只是用筷子把食物运送到口腔理
所以旁人的口水是不会进入到你的口腔里，是么？
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 你吃饭吸筷子头的吗？
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D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 6 按说大家吃饭的礼仪应该是 1 看准了夹起来，不用筷子翻菜 2 筷子夹起来放嘴里，不
吃筷子。
如果是汤类的话比如水煮鱼什么的，用公用勺子的也越来越多了。我个人觉得用筷子伸
进去夹起来也还好，不要在里面翻就行。
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 哦我明白了
: 你的意思是说
: 你吃饭的时候只是用筷子把食物运送到口腔理
: 所以旁人的口水是不会进入到你的口腔里，是么？
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 7 as far as i know, there is no clinical evidence showing that the old way lea
ds to transimission of problems -- at least, major ones such as HIV and HVB
(except in very rare cases).
why not to adhere to chinese traditions, if everyone around is chinese and n
obody objects.
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 还是依旧一团和气，毫不在乎，互相共享彼此的口水
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 8 问题就是这个传统
就算是共餐不会直接导致乙肝的传染，那么会不会传染其他的细菌或病毒？
会不会传染引起牙周炎的病毒或细菌？会不会传染手足口病？会不会传染流感？
甲肝呢？各种肠胃病呢？
lea
HVB
n
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: as far as i know, there is no clinical evidence showing that the old way lea
: ds to transimission of problems -- at least, major ones such as HIV and HVB
: (except in very rare cases).
: why not to adhere to chinese traditions, if everyone around is chinese and n
: obody objects.
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g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 9 LZ你是啥专业的？你们专业吃饭的规矩是啥先说来听听好不？ |
s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 10 不干不净，吃了没病。
还是依旧一团和气，毫不在乎，互相共享彼此的口水
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 还是依旧一团和气，毫不在乎，互相共享彼此的口水
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 11 当然分餐。
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 还是依旧一团和气，毫不在乎，互相共享彼此的口水
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y********e
发帖数: 8315 | 12 想起来以前我朋友都吃我吃剩的东西的
我从来不吃他们吃过的
不过现在有娃了她吃剩的我也吃了
唉！
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 当然分餐。
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 13 i myself think this tradition is fine.
health risk is everywhere. the thing is whether sharing dishes with friends
is sufficiently risky. there seems no epidemiological research on this.
there are too many parameters associated with this habit. difficult to
estimate.
when hard evidence is unavailable, it totally depends on how you feel about
it. there is no scientific right or wrong on this.
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: 问题就是这个传统
: 就算是共餐不会直接导致乙肝的传染，那么会不会传染其他的细菌或病毒？
: 会不会传染引起牙周炎的病毒或细菌？会不会传染手足口病？会不会传染流感？
: 甲肝呢？各种肠胃病呢？
:
: lea
: HVB
: n
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 14 Then let's have a look at clinical evidences.
卫生部公布2011年10月全国法定传染病疫情概况:
"同期，全国共报告丙类传染病发病232207例，死亡42人。报告发病数居前三位的病种
依次为手足口病、其它感染性腹泻病和流行性腮腺炎，占丙类传染病报告发病总数的96
％。"
这些腹泻病大多是faeces-oral -route传染的，就算是一家人，如果有一人有被感染上
这些手足口病病毒，腹泻病病毒，那么同餐桌吃饭有没可能给传染上？
friends
about
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: i myself think this tradition is fine.
: health risk is everywhere. the thing is whether sharing dishes with friends
: is sufficiently risky. there seems no epidemiological research on this.
: there are too many parameters associated with this habit. difficult to
: estimate.
: when hard evidence is unavailable, it totally depends on how you feel about
: it. there is no scientific right or wrong on this.
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 15 ://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/viralgastroenteritis/
How is viral gastroenteritis transmitted?
Viral gastroenteritis is transmitted from person to person. Viruses are
present in the stool and vomit of people who are infected. Infected people
may contaminate surfaces, objects, food, and drinks with viruses, especially
if they do not wash their hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. When
an infected person with unwashed hands shakes hands with or touches another
person, the virus can spread. When an infected person vomits, the virus can
become airborne.
People may be infected with viruses by
* touching contaminated surfaces or objects and then touching their
mouths
* sharing food, drink, or eating utensils with infected people
* eating foods that are contaminated with the virus, such as oysters
from contaminated waters
* swallowing airborne particles that contain viruses
friends
about
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: i myself think this tradition is fine.
: health risk is everywhere. the thing is whether sharing dishes with friends
: is sufficiently risky. there seems no epidemiological research on this.
: there are too many parameters associated with this habit. difficult to
: estimate.
: when hard evidence is unavailable, it totally depends on how you feel about
: it. there is no scientific right or wrong on this.
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s*********t
发帖数: 600 | 16 不是说幽门螺旋杆菌在东亚的流行与传播主要就是因为共餐吗？
还是用公筷比较好啊
lea
HVB
n
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: as far as i know, there is no clinical evidence showing that the old way lea
: ds to transimission of problems -- at least, major ones such as HIV and HVB
: (except in very rare cases).
: why not to adhere to chinese traditions, if everyone around is chinese and n
: obody objects.
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 17 insane? what's wrong with u, bro? basic sci training? basic logic? no?
how to prove those diseases are CAUSED BY sharing dishes? you have not
shown even CORRELATION.
if your dinner friend has HFMD but do not care infecting you, you can get it
in a number of ways.
if a family have bad sanity habits, they will get diseases regardless
of whether they share dishes.
if you dislike the tradition, abandon it. want to prove it using sci
, forget it unless you have double-blinded experiments (which is unethical i
n this case)
are you here deliberately for a fight? do something more worthwhile?
96
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: Then let's have a look at clinical evidences.
: 卫生部公布2011年10月全国法定传染病疫情概况:
: "同期，全国共报告丙类传染病发病232207例，死亡42人。报告发病数居前三位的病种
: 依次为手足口病、其它感染性腹泻病和流行性腮腺炎，占丙类传染病报告发病总数的96
: ％。"
: 这些腹泻病大多是faeces-oral -route传染的，就算是一家人，如果有一人有被感染上
: 这些手足口病病毒，腹泻病病毒，那么同餐桌吃饭有没可能给传染上？
:
: friends
: about
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s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 18 你读了这一段没有？
How is viral gastroenteritis transmitted?
Viral gastroenteritis is transmitted from person to person. Viruses are
present in the stool and vomit of people who are infected. Infected people
may contaminate surfaces, objects, food, and drinks with viruses, especially
if they do not wash their hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. When
an infected person with unwashed hands shakes hands with or touches another
person, the virus can spread. When an infected person vomits, the virus can
become airborne.
People may be infected with viruses by
* touching contaminated surfaces or objects and then touching their
mouths
* sharing food, drink, or eating utensils with infected people
* eating foods that are contaminated with the virus, such as oysters
from contaminated waters
* swallowing airborne particles that contain viruses
friends
about
【在 S**********b 的大作中提到】
: ://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/viralgastroenteritis/
: How is viral gastroenteritis transmitted?
: Viral gastroenteritis is transmitted from person to person. Viruses are
: present in the stool and vomit of people who are infected. Infected people
: may contaminate surfaces, objects, food, and drinks with viruses, especially
: if they do not wash their hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. When
: an infected person with unwashed hands shakes hands with or touches another
: person, the virus can spread. When an infected person vomits, the virus can
: become airborne.
: People may be infected with viruses by
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 19 为何我怀疑一个传统，就是向所有人挑战呢？
如果跟你共餐的人有感染了腹泻病的病毒，可能正在潜伏期，没有任何症状
但也有可能给共餐的其他人传染这些病毒，是不是呢？
it
i
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: insane? what's wrong with u, bro? basic sci training? basic logic? no?
: how to prove those diseases are CAUSED BY sharing dishes? you have not
: shown even CORRELATION.
: if your dinner friend has HFMD but do not care infecting you, you can get it
: in a number of ways.
: if a family have bad sanity habits, they will get diseases regardless
: of whether they share dishes.
: if you dislike the tradition, abandon it. want to prove it using sci
: , forget it unless you have double-blinded experiments (which is unethical i
: n this case)
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 20 sure, if somebody has had the disease, keep away from him, not just his food
, but his anything.
by making such assumptions, we can get any conclusion.
especially
another
can
【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 你读了这一段没有？
:
: How is viral gastroenteritis transmitted?
: Viral gastroenteritis is transmitted from person to person. Viruses are
: present in the stool and vomit of people who are infected. Infected people
: may contaminate surfaces, objects, food, and drinks with viruses, especially
: if they do not wash their hands thoroughly after using the bathroom. When
: an infected person with unwashed hands shakes hands with or touches another
: person, the virus can spread. When an infected person vomits, the virus can
: become airborne.
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S**********b
发帖数: 3142 | 21 问题是携带者也可以传染啊
你不可能断绝跟有携带者的一切交往
在潜伏期携带者根本就没任何症状，但会传染，难道不是么？
所以分餐制正是对于乙肝携带者的保护，而不是歧视
food
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: sure, if somebody has had the disease, keep away from him, not just his food
: , but his anything.
: by making such assumptions, we can get any conclusion.
:
: especially
: another
: can
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T**********t
发帖数: 1604 | 22 那接吻的时候要不要在舌头上带个套？要不然好危险的。。。
Just kidding...
就是觉得lz的题目和帖子不太严谨。我有很多朋友吃饭都是要分餐的，什么专业的都有
，国内国外的都有，跟学什么，在哪里关系不大啊。即使是有分餐习惯的那些朋友，在
和自己家人小孩和密友吃饭的时候，也有不讲究的时候。我觉得很大程度上，这个还是
个人卫生习惯的问题。跟陌生人或者不熟的朋友吃饭，戒心就会重一点，跟自己家人吃
饭，就放得开一点。当然也有那种有洁癖到强迫症的人，但是真的跟专业无关。 |
v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 23 你没看明白，lz是希望从生物男这里找到一些学术证据，好说服他的朋友以后采取分餐
制。
我个人觉得lz直接漂白以后，坚决不和中国人social就好了。
【在 T**********t 的大作中提到】
: 那接吻的时候要不要在舌头上带个套？要不然好危险的。。。
: Just kidding...
: 就是觉得lz的题目和帖子不太严谨。我有很多朋友吃饭都是要分餐的，什么专业的都有
: ，国内国外的都有，跟学什么，在哪里关系不大啊。即使是有分餐习惯的那些朋友，在
: 和自己家人小孩和密友吃饭的时候，也有不讲究的时候。我觉得很大程度上，这个还是
: 个人卫生习惯的问题。跟陌生人或者不熟的朋友吃饭，戒心就会重一点，跟自己家人吃
: 饭，就放得开一点。当然也有那种有洁癖到强迫症的人，但是真的跟专业无关。
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p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 24 这是卫生习惯，我家没有人有乙肝或任何传染性疾病，但是我家就几个人也用公筷，这
样口水就不用吃来吃去，没吃完的剩菜放着下一餐吃也比较干净。
【在 T**********t 的大作中提到】
: 那接吻的时候要不要在舌头上带个套？要不然好危险的。。。
: Just kidding...
: 就是觉得lz的题目和帖子不太严谨。我有很多朋友吃饭都是要分餐的，什么专业的都有
: ，国内国外的都有，跟学什么，在哪里关系不大啊。即使是有分餐习惯的那些朋友，在
: 和自己家人小孩和密友吃饭的时候，也有不讲究的时候。我觉得很大程度上，这个还是
: 个人卫生习惯的问题。跟陌生人或者不熟的朋友吃饭，戒心就会重一点，跟自己家人吃
: 饭，就放得开一点。当然也有那种有洁癖到强迫症的人，但是真的跟专业无关。
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 25 this example is actually very good. why the tradition is wearing no condoms
on the tongue when one kisses? because this is considered safe enough in mos
t socities.
if a person's date has mouth transmitted diseases, this person will be
screwed by kissing. But, it is unimportant, because tradition just needs to
be valid in MOST occasions for MOST people.
if the tradition is very bad, the society holding it would have been weeded
out by the nature.
traidtion may be wrong, but it is rarely seriously wrong.
【在 T**********t 的大作中提到】
: 那接吻的时候要不要在舌头上带个套？要不然好危险的。。。
: Just kidding...
: 就是觉得lz的题目和帖子不太严谨。我有很多朋友吃饭都是要分餐的，什么专业的都有
: ，国内国外的都有，跟学什么，在哪里关系不大啊。即使是有分餐习惯的那些朋友，在
: 和自己家人小孩和密友吃饭的时候，也有不讲究的时候。我觉得很大程度上，这个还是
: 个人卫生习惯的问题。跟陌生人或者不熟的朋友吃饭，戒心就会重一点，跟自己家人吃
: 饭，就放得开一点。当然也有那种有洁癖到强迫症的人，但是真的跟专业无关。
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y********e
发帖数: 8315 | 26 嗯，习惯了就好
我们家不用公筷
但是我也受不了在盘子里挑挑拣拣的
说什么老美比较注意分餐纯粹是瞎扯
我们同事一起出去吃东西或者订餐在公司吃
他们都互相拿对方盘子里的东西吃
哪怕吃的已经很难看了。。。
而且他们东西掉到地上还捡起来吃
说有个五秒钟定律。。。
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 这是卫生习惯，我家没有人有乙肝或任何传染性疾病，但是我家就几个人也用公筷，这
: 样口水就不用吃来吃去，没吃完的剩菜放着下一餐吃也比较干净。
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p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 27 老美生活习惯不太好，其中一条就是晚上不洗澡，早上才洗，
白天是香喷鹏了，可是晚上谁睡在他/她旁边味道不好闻吧。
【在 y********e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，习惯了就好
: 我们家不用公筷
: 但是我也受不了在盘子里挑挑拣拣的
: 说什么老美比较注意分餐纯粹是瞎扯
: 我们同事一起出去吃东西或者订餐在公司吃
: 他们都互相拿对方盘子里的东西吃
: 哪怕吃的已经很难看了。。。
: 而且他们东西掉到地上还捡起来吃
: 说有个五秒钟定律。。。
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v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 28 three second rule
【在 y********e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，习惯了就好
: 我们家不用公筷
: 但是我也受不了在盘子里挑挑拣拣的
: 说什么老美比较注意分餐纯粹是瞎扯
: 我们同事一起出去吃东西或者订餐在公司吃
: 他们都互相拿对方盘子里的东西吃
: 哪怕吃的已经很难看了。。。
: 而且他们东西掉到地上还捡起来吃
: 说有个五秒钟定律。。。
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y********e
发帖数: 8315 | 29 我问过他们。。。他们说不是晚上不洗澡
而是即使晚上洗过澡了早上还得再洗一个澡才能清醒过来
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 老美生活习惯不太好，其中一条就是晚上不洗澡，早上才洗，
: 白天是香喷鹏了，可是晚上谁睡在他/她旁边味道不好闻吧。
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