p*****c 发帖数: 20445 | 1 按第一作者:9篇第一作者是中国人,还有一篇是华人(Man Yan Wong),一篇是韩国
人Ju Young Kim,总共亚裔11/15
按第一单位:中国大陆的3篇,其中王军自己两篇
按通讯作者:中国人4篇,除了中国大陆的3篇,还有明国立和宋红军夫妇1篇
这趋势,中国人也会把生物搞成夕阳产业啊。。。 |
d********m 发帖数: 3662 | 2 在为国人高兴的同时,我表示以后连口饭都混不上了。 |
d********m 发帖数: 3662 | 3 话说不得不对bgi赞了一个,测序工厂会做机制,这个真是谁也挡不住啊 |
y******8 发帖数: 1764 | 4 Single cell is the selling point.
Where is their mechanistic study?
Anyway, you don't need mechanism to publish on high-profile journals, if you
are doing fancy stuff. |
h********n 发帖数: 4079 | 5 Mechanistic study is just a subset of biomedical research.
you
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Single cell is the selling point. : Where is their mechanistic study? : Anyway, you don't need mechanism to publish on high-profile journals, if you : are doing fancy stuff.
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y******8 发帖数: 1764 | 6 I totally agree.
One major difference between biomedical and other physic scientific research
is the understanding of mechanism.
【在 h********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Mechanistic study is just a subset of biomedical research. : : you
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s*********t 发帖数: 600 | 7 王俊和李英睿发了两篇
李英睿连本科都没读完
哎 生物不需要PhD学位啊
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 按第一作者:9篇第一作者是中国人,还有一篇是华人(Man Yan Wong),一篇是韩国 : 人Ju Young Kim,总共亚裔11/15 : 按第一单位:中国大陆的3篇,其中王军自己两篇 : 按通讯作者:中国人4篇,除了中国大陆的3篇,还有明国立和宋红军夫妇1篇 : 这趋势,中国人也会把生物搞成夕阳产业啊。。。
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w******n 发帖数: 767 | 8 phd学位是附加品。
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 王俊和李英睿发了两篇 : 李英睿连本科都没读完 : 哎 生物不需要PhD学位啊
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d***y 发帖数: 8107 | |
o*****r 发帖数: 39 | 10 The efficiency of single cell amplification of those two papers is
ridiculously high.
many people used the same kit, never got this good coverage.
The two paper will be under scrutiny. I have heard about bad comments about BGI.
We have to wait and see. |
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l**********1 发帖数: 5204 | 11 还得依靠IBM 量子计算机 算法上做到多项式运算
please refer
//www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Biology/31637051.html
4th floor
and
>
我也同意计算最大的问题就是现阶段的计算机实在是太慢了。很多东西都必须要作简略
计算。比如蛋白质中的水分子,那么大的极性,对整个蛋白影响多大,但现在就基本没
法计算。要不就是彻底忽略,要不就是用个球来代替。因为每正确模拟一个水分子,哪
怕是每十度旋转计算一次,空间上也有36*36*36个构像。而一个酶里面有几十到几百个
水分子。要考虑进去的话,计算量就像天文数字一样的滚上去了。估计量子计算机出来
后,能解决这个问题。
//www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/Biology/31631075_0_2.html
23th floor
ps:
//www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/technology/ibm-inch-closer-on-quantum-computer.
html
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 生物不早就是夕阳行业么?……
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l*****2 发帖数: 238 | 12 不管怎么说,一流的paper国人比重越来越大确实是事实,还是值得高兴的事情。顶起!
about BGI.
【在 o*****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : The efficiency of single cell amplification of those two papers is : ridiculously high. : many people used the same kit, never got this good coverage. : The two paper will be under scrutiny. I have heard about bad comments about BGI. : We have to wait and see.
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o*****r 发帖数: 39 | 13 I guess that you have no idea about how science community works.
Not every people knows about the details of your work. But every people can
hear about your reputations.
If the claim cannot be repeated, not only will their work be trashed, but
also their service will be doubted.
considering BGI is a symbol of "big-science" in china, it will be
detrimental to the whole chinese science community.
起!
【在 l*****2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不管怎么说,一流的paper国人比重越来越大确实是事实,还是值得高兴的事情。顶起! : : about BGI.
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t******s 发帖数: 378 | |
y******8 发帖数: 1764 | 15 Easy. Science is never meant to be big. Otherwise, it is called engineering.
And engineering people are usually better paid.
can
【在 o*****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I guess that you have no idea about how science community works. : Not every people knows about the details of your work. But every people can : hear about your reputations. : If the claim cannot be repeated, not only will their work be trashed, but : also their service will be doubted. : considering BGI is a symbol of "big-science" in china, it will be : detrimental to the whole chinese science community. : : 起!
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o*****r 发帖数: 39 | 16 还好吧。只是觉着前面的观点太狭隘。需要泼些冷水。
Agree with u on comments about "big-science". That is the reason I quoted it.
engineering.
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Easy. Science is never meant to be big. Otherwise, it is called engineering. : And engineering people are usually better paid. : : can
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q******5 发帖数: 1670 | |
b******y 发帖数: 627 | 18 At least, there will be less discrimination on papers from China, which is a
good news for dedicated Chinese scientists. |
a*********g 发帖数: 8087 | |
l**k 发帖数: 360 | 20 我怎么记着看science上写的,李英睿硕士读了一年或者是没读,去了华大就quit了
现在领导几十上百人的团队....
本科应该读完了吧
忒猛了
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 王俊和李英睿发了两篇 : 李英睿连本科都没读完 : 哎 生物不需要PhD学位啊
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a*********g 发帖数: 8087 | 21 华人自己办杂志好了
用中文!
老外自己学中文来灌水! |
l**k 发帖数: 360 | 22 或者赶紧回国占个坑
【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 抓紧改行吧!!
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t****e 发帖数: 279 | |
y********a 发帖数: 138 | 24 去年某次开会见过李英瑞,吃饭时坐邻座。聊过。感觉一般。
基本上除了各种热点名词和已有公共认知的一些concepts(assembly的难点,single
cell/ molecule的优势,integration的重要性等等),本人没有什么新鲜的或是
inspiring的观点。
比较搞的是后来谈到如何选定一个项目,人就回答我们只做groundbreaking的项目,问
如何定义groundbreaking,答就是没人做过的,再问对生物机理研究如何帮助,是不是
finding all variants就能帮助解决missing heredity这种问题,人就一副有了
sequence,其他人爱怎么follow不关我事。另外,说话都是肯定句判断句,啥结论都是
绝对的。恰恰做science啥都不是绝对的阿。
总之没啥亮点。当然,就一顿饭,我的感观可能片面。
其本人的确是本科没毕业就去了BGI,当然后来还是弄到了毕业证。 |
l**********1 发帖数: 5204 | 25 from 2062 Jan Cell renamed to "XI BAO"
and all papers submit to it should using Pin Yin Abstracts.
possible
【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 华人自己办杂志好了 : 用中文! : 老外自己学中文来灌水!
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a*********g 发帖数: 8087 | 26 这年头都这德行
【在 y********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 去年某次开会见过李英瑞,吃饭时坐邻座。聊过。感觉一般。 : 基本上除了各种热点名词和已有公共认知的一些concepts(assembly的难点,single : cell/ molecule的优势,integration的重要性等等),本人没有什么新鲜的或是 : inspiring的观点。 : 比较搞的是后来谈到如何选定一个项目,人就回答我们只做groundbreaking的项目,问 : 如何定义groundbreaking,答就是没人做过的,再问对生物机理研究如何帮助,是不是 : finding all variants就能帮助解决missing heredity这种问题,人就一副有了 : sequence,其他人爱怎么follow不关我事。另外,说话都是肯定句判断句,啥结论都是 : 绝对的。恰恰做science啥都不是绝对的阿。 : 总之没啥亮点。当然,就一顿饭,我的感观可能片面。
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g*********r 发帖数: 2033 | 27 life science 是类似中世纪学徒制
学徒学出来了是最重要,有没有最后那一张纸,真是没啥区别
见过好些学spanish的搞生物呢
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 王俊和李英睿发了两篇 : 李英睿连本科都没读完 : 哎 生物不需要PhD学位啊
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a*****i 发帖数: 1045 | 28 都是卖苦力的,什么时候通讯作者都是中国人的时候,才可能真正说明点问题吧 |
l**********1 发帖数: 5204 | 29 那是 1st author later 一海龟 从此和NCS 绝缘的一箩筐呢
尤其是不做mouse human plant 等KO type的
i.e.
OUYANG QI
//ctb.pku.edu.cn/main/en/people/people-faculty-ouyangqi.htm
without any CNS paper either 1st/corresponding author
//www.nature.com/nature/journal/v379/n6561/abs/379143a0.html
his PD nature paper corresponding author: Jean-Marc Flesselles PhD
//en.scientificcommons.org/jean-marc_flesselles
2004 retired already.
//www.saint-gobain-recherche.fr/fr/
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 都是卖苦力的,什么时候通讯作者都是中国人的时候,才可能真正说明点问题吧
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