f**d 发帖数: 768 | 1 做生物的,有多少人这样认为 idea is cheap?
有多少比例就有多少比例的垃圾
--做老板这样认为更是垃圾中的人渣--在误导学生 |
b*******n 发帖数: 8420 | 2 cheap ideas are cheap.
有些老板只有cheap ideas,说出这种话也正常。 |
w***r 发帖数: 709 | 3 ideas are indeed very cheap.
Could you publish an idea in nature or science?
【在 f**d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做生物的,有多少人这样认为 idea is cheap? : 有多少比例就有多少比例的垃圾 : --做老板这样认为更是垃圾中的人渣--在误导学生
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d****d 发帖数: 214 | 4 But would you call an idea cheap if it leads to a paper in CNS? Would you
share your ideas with your competitors if you really believe those ideas are
good ones?
Most ideas may be cheap, but still most papers are derived from ideas.
【在 w***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : ideas are indeed very cheap. : Could you publish an idea in nature or science?
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w***r 发帖数: 709 | 5 People could generate many ideas daily, I am sure one of them may be true
and give you a good paper but it is difficult to tell which one is the
promising one.
that's why I believe that the meaning behind is that only the data counts,
only the ability to materialize the idea counts, as so many people could
have some ideas.
thinking is important but ideas are just cheap.
are
【在 d****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : But would you call an idea cheap if it leads to a paper in CNS? Would you : share your ideas with your competitors if you really believe those ideas are : good ones? : Most ideas may be cheap, but still most papers are derived from ideas.
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n********k 发帖数: 2818 | 6 well, indeed ideas are pretty cheap...Many have enough ideas to potentially
pull off a dozen NCS papers a year...
【在 f**d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做生物的,有多少人这样认为 idea is cheap? : 有多少比例就有多少比例的垃圾 : --做老板这样认为更是垃圾中的人渣--在误导学生
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a*****x 发帖数: 901 | 7 我认为取决于idea的内涵。如果idea只是突然冒出来的想法,那么很多都是cheap的。
如果idea包括了完整的假说,支持的数据,所做的假设,可能的漏洞,实验的设计,结
果的预测和不合预测结果的解释,等等,就不cheap,至少是价值百万的R01 |
g********0 发帖数: 6201 | 8 ideas are cheap.
重要的是如何设计简单快速省钱的验证方案,这在目前竞争激烈,经费紧张的情况下尤
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 9 不少人这样。因为他们随便什么想法,都要立刻试一下,瞎猜的也一样立刻就试,结果
当然是每试必错。所以他们就认为 ideas are cheap。
【在 f**d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做生物的,有多少人这样认为 idea is cheap? : 有多少比例就有多少比例的垃圾 : --做老板这样认为更是垃圾中的人渣--在误导学生
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 10 一个科学家要是没有分辨好idea,坏idea 和 一般 idea的能力,我认为他/她 应该重
新读Ph.D。
【在 w***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : People could generate many ideas daily, I am sure one of them may be true : and give you a good paper but it is difficult to tell which one is the : promising one. : that's why I believe that the meaning behind is that only the data counts, : only the ability to materialize the idea counts, as so many people could : have some ideas. : thinking is important but ideas are just cheap. : : are
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 11 验证方案是idea的一部分。Idea首先必须是testable 的,好idea一般有简单方法可以
做initial test,得到supportive preliminary data,或者已经存在足够的
preliminary data。如果一个idea, 最简单的验证方案都要花你一年时间,花很多钱,
那还是应该想想有没有更好的idea。
目前这种情况下,做实验尤其要慎重,多想一想,就可以少做一点。试错法,钱和时间
永远不够。
【在 g********0 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : ideas are cheap. : 重要的是如何设计简单快速省钱的验证方案,这在目前竞争激烈,经费紧张的情况下尤 : 为重要。
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 12 你要是能做到,你才有资格这么说。
potentially
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : well, indeed ideas are pretty cheap...Many have enough ideas to potentially : pull off a dozen NCS papers a year...
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 13 你帖子的第二部分已经开始预先骂人了,还有人跟帖说ideas are cheap。LOL。
【在 f**d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 做生物的,有多少人这样认为 idea is cheap? : 有多少比例就有多少比例的垃圾 : --做老板这样认为更是垃圾中的人渣--在误导学生
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D*a 发帖数: 6830 | 14 “如何设计简单快速省钱的验证方案”的idea就不是idea了么?
如果能设计出简单快速省钱的验证方案,可以省很多钱,省很多时间,非常不cheap。
【在 g********0 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : ideas are cheap. : 重要的是如何设计简单快速省钱的验证方案,这在目前竞争激烈,经费紧张的情况下尤 : 为重要。
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x*******t 发帖数: 3764 | 15 争论这个有啥意义?再cheap的idea你有了并且顺之发了paper,那也不cheap了。
anyway,idea就是灵魂,idea本身的质量和下面人的执行力决定实验室的水平 |
I***a 发帖数: 13467 | 16 楼主就一米田共,说你米田共都是夸你。
一上来就骂一批人。 |
w***r 发帖数: 709 | 17 I really don't think people could learn that ability from Ph.D.training.
Those kind of things are not trained but just part of personality.
like what in your previous posts, no matter how hard you tried, some dude
just cannot catch you.
you are like stephenking's avatar.
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一个科学家要是没有分辨好idea,坏idea 和 一般 idea的能力,我认为他/她 应该重 : 新读Ph.D。
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 18 不是很认同。
有极少数人,真的有天分,刚进Ph.D的 时候就很很牛了,这种人可以self train。我
认识两个这样的人,Ph.D. 的时候,做研究的能力就超过了老板。
大多数人是有学习能力的,可以train出来的。以我个人为例,我刚入 Ph.D 的时候,
真是两眼一抹黑。我导师对我的training 可以说作用很大,在后来的岁月里逐渐体现
出来。薄厚时的老板水平就不怎么样,属于靠资源靠运气的,但好在实验室里有两个水
平很高的薄厚,我跟他们交流就受益匪浅。更重要的,我从我前老板那里学到了不少教
训,让我知道什么是错误的。
可能有少数人,是train 不出来的。我薄厚时的实验室就有这样的,这种真是天生的笨
了。但比例不大。
【在 w***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I really don't think people could learn that ability from Ph.D.training. : Those kind of things are not trained but just part of personality. : like what in your previous posts, no matter how hard you tried, some dude : just cannot catch you. : you are like stephenking's avatar.
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 19 原来的Stephenking是挖坑界的泰山北斗,想象力创造力无以伦比。我和那个新的
Stephenking都差的太远了。
【在 w***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I really don't think people could learn that ability from Ph.D.training. : Those kind of things are not trained but just part of personality. : like what in your previous posts, no matter how hard you tried, some dude : just cannot catch you. : you are like stephenking's avatar.
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a***r 发帖数: 58 | 20 达尔文的进化论, 爱因斯坦的相对论,以及元素周期律算不算cheap idea?
我觉得Bronstein 说的好, cheap ideas are cheap. |
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c*********7 发帖数: 148 | 21 我觉得谁来给个idea cheap or not cheap的定义大家再来讨论吧,否则这个topic实在
是太cheap了。。。 |
n********k 发帖数: 2818 | 22 cannot agree on your point...much can be trained unless u r talking about
supervision etc...
【在 w***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I really don't think people could learn that ability from Ph.D.training. : Those kind of things are not trained but just part of personality. : like what in your previous posts, no matter how hard you tried, some dude : just cannot catch you. : you are like stephenking's avatar.
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n********k 发帖数: 2818 | 23 Yes and No, I would say...Many good postdoc can do this...but how many of
them would ever have a chance to get such an idea funded and materlized...
Life science is still in its infancy and so many open questions...except
some which may need vision etc, most are tech/methodology dependent or
resource-demanding, rather than intellectually challenging...I am talking
about individuals with reasonable intelligence...
【在 a*****x 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我认为取决于idea的内涵。如果idea只是突然冒出来的想法,那么很多都是cheap的。 : 如果idea包括了完整的假说,支持的数据,所做的假设,可能的漏洞,实验的设计,结 : 果的预测和不合预测结果的解释,等等,就不cheap,至少是价值百万的R01
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