c*******2
发帖数: 617 | 1 But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。 |
Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | |
w*****0
发帖数: 3349 | 3 前两天还有ID质疑Rao Yi英文以及写信的必要性
看看吧，你不去质疑，Nature才不搭理你呢
虽然只是道歉，但是毕竟也把Lai Jiang的comments登出来了 |
g*********o
发帖数: 4653 | 4 请提供Nature官方链接?
如果不是一个正式的道歉，继续搞它。 |
c*******2
发帖数: 617 | |
B*******u
发帖数: 3789 | 6 good move
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
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g*********o
发帖数: 4653 | 7 这个道歉放在了什么地方？
真心诚意的道歉，就应该放一个大标题
然后，还要追究编辑责任
一个道歉，远远不够弥补对所有叶诗文、对所有中国人的伤害
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/why-great-olympic-feats-raise-suspic
: 还有 lai jiang的反驳。
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t******8
发帖数: 478 | |
D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 9 大部分是用的regret，种种error造成了你们的impression，虽然我们没有intention，
但是还是apologize一下。
看看人家nature这英文水平。
对了，人家还把那些骂中国人的comment都删了呢，这多负责，啊 |
l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 10 完全没诚意。华人和nature的梁子肯定还是没解开。反正我个人对nature还是不感冒。 |
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y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 11
这个也道歉了但找个个“technical issue”的借口，呵呵呵。
We apologize to our readers for these errors, and for the unintended removal
of comments because of technical issues with our commenting system. Below
we reproduce one of the most thorough and thoughtful of the hundreds of
responses we received. Beneath it, we continue with our response.
这个无论是时间还是尺度都把握得比较让人讨厌。追着他的话最有效的打击被消弱了
大半，不追又不完全甘心。老牌帝国主义狡猾大大的。
估计就这样了。向为这件事情做出努力的ID庆祝，尤其是peoplem, weiqing等能为天
下先的努力！！赞peoplem精益求精的精神 :)
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 大部分是用的regret，种种error造成了你们的impression，虽然我们没有intention，
: 但是还是apologize一下。
: 看看人家nature这英文水平。
: 对了，人家还把那些骂中国人的comment都删了呢，这多负责，啊
|
y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 12 道歉还挺全面的，包括了副标题。把原来的editor note剔除了。看来是比较全面的胜
利了！！！！
his article has drawn an extraordinary level of outraged response. The
volume of comments has been so great that our online commenting system is
unable to cope: it deletes earlier posts as new ones arrive. We much regret
this ongoing problem. The disappearance of some cogent responses to the
story has fuelled suspicions that Nature is deliberately censoring the
strongest criticisms. This is absolutely not the case: Nature welcomes
critically minded discussion of our content. (We intentionally removed only
a few comments that violated our Community Guidelines by being abusive or
defamatory, including several that offensively stereotyped the many Chinese
readers who commented on the story.)
Many of the commenters have questioned why we changed the original subtitle
of the story from “‘Performance profiling’ could help catch sports cheats
” to “‘Performance profiling’ could help dispel doubts”. The original
version of the title was unfair to the swimmer Ye Shiwen and did not reflect
the substance of the story. We regret that the original appeared in the
first place. We also regret that the original story included an error about
the improvement in Ye’s time for the 400-metre individual medley: she
improved by 7 seconds since July 2011, not July 2012. We have corrected the
error.
We apologize to our readers for these errors, and for the unintended removal
of comments because of technical issues with our commenting system. Below
we reproduce one of the most thorough and thoughtful of the hundreds of
responses we received. Beneath it, we continue with our response.
removal
This article has drawn an extraordinary level of outraged response. The
volume of comments has been so great that our online commenting system is
unable to cope: it deletes earlier posts as new ones arrive. We much regret
this ongoing problem. The disappearance of some cogent responses to the
story has fuelled suspicions that Nature is deliberately censoring the
strongest criticisms. This is absolutely not the case: Nature welcomes
critically minded discussion of our content. (We intentionally removed only
a few comments that violated our Community Guidelines by being abusive or
defamatory, including several that offensively stereotyped the many Chinese
readers who commented on the story.)
Many of the commenters have questioned why we changed the original subtitle
of the story from “‘Performance profiling’ could help catch sports cheats
” to “‘Performance profiling’ could help dispel doubts”. The original
version of the title was unfair to the swimmer Ye Shiwen and did not reflect
the substance of the story. We regret that the original appeared in the
first place. We also regret that the original story included an error about
the improvement in Ye’s time for the 400-metre individual medley: she
improved by 7 seconds since July 2011, not July 2012. We have corrected the
error.
We apologize to our readers for these errors, and for the unintended removal
of comments because of technical issues with our commenting system. Below
we reproduce one of the most thorough and thoughtful of the hundreds of
responses we received. Beneath it, we continue with our response.
【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
:
: 这个也道歉了但找个个“technical issue”的借口，呵呵呵。
: We apologize to our readers for these errors, and for the unintended removal
: of comments because of technical issues with our commenting system. Below
: we reproduce one of the most thorough and thoughtful of the hundreds of
: responses we received. Beneath it, we continue with our response.
: 这个无论是时间还是尺度都把握得比较让人讨厌。追着他的话最有效的打击被消弱了
: 大半，不追又不完全甘心。老牌帝国主义狡猾大大的。
: 估计就这样了。向为这件事情做出努力的ID庆祝，尤其是peoplem, weiqing等能为天
: 下先的努力！！赞peoplem精益求精的精神 :)
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G***G
发帖数: 16778 | 13 but didn't withdraw that article.
I don't think this is a complete apology.
That article should be withdrawn because it was biased and
full of race discrimination.
regret
only
【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 道歉还挺全面的，包括了副标题。把原来的editor note剔除了。看来是比较全面的胜
: 利了！！！！
: his article has drawn an extraordinary level of outraged response. The
: volume of comments has been so great that our online commenting system is
: unable to cope: it deletes earlier posts as new ones arrive. We much regret
: this ongoing problem. The disappearance of some cogent responses to the
: story has fuelled suspicions that Nature is deliberately censoring the
: strongest criticisms. This is absolutely not the case: Nature welcomes
: critically minded discussion of our content. (We intentionally removed only
: a few comments that violated our Community Guidelines by being abusive or
|
y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 14 不不不，我觉得挂在上面挺好，跟editor note和那两封信一起，呵呵呵。其实这种失
败的纪录Nature肯定宁愿直接删掉啊。
【在 G***G 的大作中提到】
: but didn't withdraw that article.
: I don't think this is a complete apology.
: That article should be withdrawn because it was biased and
: full of race discrimination.
:
: regret
: only
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 15 过来向生物版大牛们致敬！辛苦了！尤其是peoplem。 |
n****y
发帖数: 6260 | 16 啥呀，还好意思说statistical usual，它有统计么！ |
g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 17 没诚意，避重就轻，明为道歉，实为诡辩。
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】
: 完全没诚意。华人和nature的梁子肯定还是没解开。反正我个人对nature还是不感冒。
|
Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | 18 就是，怎么说这也是一段历史
【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 不不不，我觉得挂在上面挺好，跟editor note和那两封信一起，呵呵呵。其实这种失
: 败的纪录Nature肯定宁愿直接删掉啊。
|
o**d
发帖数: 3080 | 19 你想让nature承认歧视？先让天朝把英国海军全干掉再说吧。
这次事件也纯纯粹粹是民间的力量，没见官方出来放一个屁！！ |
b******t
发帖数: 446 | 20 热烈祝贺,中国自有外交或订商约以来第二次的胜利!
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
|
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p******g
发帖数: 498 | 21 还是饶毅给力
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
|
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 22 同赞大家的努力!
这么多人的一起发声，多少让他们下次再发这种脑残文章的时候要小心一点了。
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
|
T***S
发帖数: 764 | |
p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 24 你们就没看出来最后一段nature还在狡辩吗？他们还坚持小叶子的表现不正常。
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
|
p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 25 Editors' note最后一段:
The story’s intention as an Explainer was to examine how science can help
resolve debates over extraordinary performances, not to examine those
performance statistics in detail. Several analyses done by others convinced
us that it was fair to characterize Ye’s performance as ‘anomalous’ — in
the sense that it was statistically unusual.
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们就没看出来最后一段nature还在狡辩吗？他们还坚持小叶子的表现不正常。
:
: accusations
: that,
|
l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 26 lay off or Fire Noah Gray from Nature before the end of this Month
hopefully
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 同赞大家的努力!
: 这么多人的一起发声，多少让他们下次再发这种脑残文章的时候要小心一点了。
:
: accusations
: that,
|
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 27 我的想法是这样，Nature这次纯粹是被我们科学界的人抓住打了一顿，事实上，我们知
道对叶诗文的质疑并不是来自Nature自己，他的语气在BBC,THe Guardian, CNN, NYT里
面其实甚至都算是相对温和的。我们搞他 其实目的并不仅仅是搞一篇小小的没人看的
新闻稿。我们是希望我们动手了以后会有更主流的媒体参与讨论，你可以看看我之前的
一个贴
convinced
in
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: Editors' note最后一段:
: The story’s intention as an Explainer was to examine how science can help
: resolve debates over extraordinary performances, not to examine those
: performance statistics in detail. Several analyses done by others convinced
: us that it was fair to characterize Ye’s performance as ‘anomalous’ — in
: the sense that it was statistically unusual.
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l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 28 Unless,
from 2034 对chinese as same as after 1934 对Jews within EU and States
(high probability) |
p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 29 weibo上已经在传nature这封道歉信了，
此事要让西方主流媒体关注报道，影响力才大，
CNN，BCC在微博都有记者，可以@ 他们，让他们知道此事。
你们的呼吁签名支持信微博上有700多个转发，我不知道微博上有多少人签名支持，
但肯定有人默默签名了，至少与我互相关注的一个美国某校教授，被我@ 后就签名了。
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 我的想法是这样，Nature这次纯粹是被我们科学界的人抓住打了一顿，事实上，我们知
: 道对叶诗文的质疑并不是来自Nature自己，他的语气在BBC,THe Guardian, CNN, NYT里
: 面其实甚至都算是相对温和的。我们搞他 其实目的并不仅仅是搞一篇小小的没人看的
: 新闻稿。我们是希望我们动手了以后会有更主流的媒体参与讨论，你可以看看我之前的
: 一个贴
:
: convinced
: in
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 30 我们最后发出去1060个签名，其他收集到的签名有80个左右有信息错误我们不得不去掉
，还有200个左右太晚了没来得及整理
weibo上已经在传nature这封道歉信了，
此事要让西方主流媒体关注报道，影响力才大，
CNN，BCC在微博都有记者，可以@ 他们，让他们知道此事。
你们的呼吁签名支持信微博上有700多个转发，我不知道微博上有多少人签名支持，
但肯定有人默默签名了，至少与我互相关注的一个美国某校教授，被我@ 后就签名了。
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: weibo上已经在传nature这封道歉信了，
: 此事要让西方主流媒体关注报道，影响力才大，
: CNN，BCC在微博都有记者，可以@ 他们，让他们知道此事。
: 你们的呼吁签名支持信微博上有700多个转发，我不知道微博上有多少人签名支持，
: 但肯定有人默默签名了，至少与我互相关注的一个美国某校教授，被我@ 后就签名了。
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S**********l
发帖数: 3835 | 31 nature上的文章一向这么哗众取宠，包括一些科学论文。这次nature借奥运会又test了
一下market，肯定大大出乎预期竟然有如此之多的人还把他当个事，正得意着呢，又确
定继续哗众取宠是增强影响力的正道。
accusations
that,
【在 c*******2 的大作中提到】
: But we acknowledge that the combination of errors discussed above and the
: absence of a more detailed discussion of the statistics (which with
: hindsight we regret) gave the impression that we were supporting accusations
: against her, even though this was emphatically not our intention. For that,
: we apologize to our readers and to Ye Shiwen.
: 可能是火星文， 几天没看生物版了。
|
l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 32 when is 第一次的胜利?
"别了 司徒雷登" ?
【在 b******t 的大作中提到】
: 热烈祝贺,中国自有外交或订商约以来第二次的胜利!
:
: accusations
: that,
|
l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 33 成也萧何 败也萧何
【在 S**********l 的大作中提到】
: nature上的文章一向这么哗众取宠，包括一些科学论文。这次nature借奥运会又test了
: 一下market，肯定大大出乎预期竟然有如此之多的人还把他当个事，正得意着呢，又确
: 定继续哗众取宠是增强影响力的正道。
:
: accusations
: that,
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p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 34 它的地位本来就高，有几篇nature就可以在中国做教授了吧，
它要是没有如此重的份量，谁在乎它说什么呢。
此事说明，中国必须搞一份可以跟nature对抗的科学刊物，
中国要是一个份量重如nature的刊物，哪需要要求人道歉啊，
直接在自己的刊物上发文反驳让它难看。
【在 S**********l 的大作中提到】
: nature上的文章一向这么哗众取宠，包括一些科学论文。这次nature借奥运会又test了
: 一下market，肯定大大出乎预期竟然有如此之多的人还把他当个事，正得意着呢，又确
: 定继续哗众取宠是增强影响力的正道。
:
: accusations
: that,
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a*****h
发帖数: 201 | |
