k****n
发帖数: 158 | 1 主要是写的不长，不流畅，不通顺，不自然，就是比较烂，比较水，比较糙，非常的
chinglish。
咋办 | D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 2 看几篇英美土著人写的综述，套句式和用词（不是抄句子）。 | S*********u
发帖数: 980 | 3 硬者头皮写。语言不是重要的，内容更重要
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 主要是写的不长，不流畅，不通顺，不自然，就是比较烂，比较水，比较糙，非常的
: chinglish。
: 咋办
| k****n
发帖数: 158 | 4 套了，感觉很生硬，段和段的连接比较生硬，对结果的解释不能很深入，写的东西好像
浮在水面上自己看的见结果就是描述不出来 | D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 5 刚开始写都是这样的啊。
多写就好了。写100页以后就好多了。。。
我也写博士论文中。。。
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 套了，感觉很生硬，段和段的连接比较生硬，对结果的解释不能很深入，写的东西好像
: 浮在水面上自己看的见结果就是描述不出来
| a*****x
发帖数: 901 | | w******n
发帖数: 201 | 7 先把要说的话一条条摆出来三，然后再把条条框框码顺就是了三
一条。
众WSN之口头禅。封不胜封。
,连潜规则都没搞懂。
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 主要是写的不长，不流畅，不通顺，不自然，就是比较烂，比较水，比较糙，非常的
: chinglish。
: 咋办
| k****n
发帖数: 158 | 8 我咋觉的语言好重要，同样是2个图，有的人能写好几页，俺就能写好---几-----行
还有就是，写博士论文的时候才觉得写作是硬功夫，过不了这关，只怕XX的命了
【在 S*********u 的大作中提到】
: 硬者头皮写。语言不是重要的，内容更重要
| k****n
发帖数: 158 | 9 加油，共勉，100页要写多久啊
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 刚开始写都是这样的啊。
: 多写就好了。写100页以后就好多了。。。
: 我也写博士论文中。。。
| D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 10 我两个多月写了不到60页introduction...效率极低。。。
算上以前写的东西和manuscript勉强算写了100页英语文章。
除了英语还有技巧，推荐
http://www.amazon.com/How-Write-Publish-Scientific-Paper/dp/031
英语推荐http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/style.html
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 加油，共勉，100页要写多久啊
| | | k****n
发帖数: 158 | 11 好人！
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 我两个多月写了不到60页introduction...效率极低。。。
: 算上以前写的东西和manuscript勉强算写了100页英语文章。
: 除了英语还有技巧，推荐
: http://www.amazon.com/How-Write-Publish-Scientific-Paper/dp/031
: 英语推荐http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/style.html
| a*********n
发帖数: 2526 | 12 难写个鬼呀，有publication的话 copy past 好了，又不会有人看
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 主要是写的不长，不流畅，不通顺，不自然，就是比较烂，比较水，比较糙，非常的
: chinglish。
: 咋办
| a*****x
发帖数: 901 | 13 BSO一下自己的2年多被全文下载242次。。。
【在 a*********n 的大作中提到】
: 难写个鬼呀，有publication的话 copy past 好了，又不会有人看
| k****n
发帖数: 158 | 14 怎么下博士全文？
【在 a*****x 的大作中提到】
: BSO一下自己的2年多被全文下载242次。。。
| a*****x
发帖数: 901 | | C*******e
发帖数: 4348 | 16 硬写
都是这样的
一开始写很痛苦
博士论文还算好
还有你的老板给你把关
等以后自己写paper就更痛苦了
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 我咋觉的语言好重要，同样是2个图，有的人能写好几页，俺就能写好---几-----行
: 还有就是，写博士论文的时候才觉得写作是硬功夫，过不了这关，只怕XX的命了
| S*********u
发帖数: 980 | 17 你说的和我说的不是一码事。一个图能写一页和一行的区别不是写作能力，而是思考能
力。你的英文在烂，如果有很多想到的点，一样能写很多。最重要的是先写，写完再改
，写着写着就顺手了。
而且读了这么些年phD, 写文章算基本技能了吧，不至于便秘一样。如果是的话，那可
能自己还是没有努力够
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 我咋觉的语言好重要，同样是2个图，有的人能写好几页，俺就能写好---几-----行
: 还有就是，写博士论文的时候才觉得写作是硬功夫，过不了这关，只怕XX的命了
| k****n
发帖数: 158 | 18 谢谢，事实是自己也感觉到能力有些欠缺，什么东东都是要用的时候才觉得缺，平时练
得不够啊。
【在 S*********u 的大作中提到】
: 你说的和我说的不是一码事。一个图能写一页和一行的区别不是写作能力，而是思考能
: 力。你的英文在烂，如果有很多想到的点，一样能写很多。最重要的是先写，写完再改
: ，写着写着就顺手了。
: 而且读了这么些年phD, 写文章算基本技能了吧，不至于便秘一样。如果是的话，那可
: 能自己还是没有努力够
| y**u
发帖数: 7459 | 19 同意
【在 S*********u 的大作中提到】
: 你说的和我说的不是一码事。一个图能写一页和一行的区别不是写作能力，而是思考能
: 力。你的英文在烂，如果有很多想到的点，一样能写很多。最重要的是先写，写完再改
: ，写着写着就顺手了。
: 而且读了这么些年phD, 写文章算基本技能了吧，不至于便秘一样。如果是的话，那可
: 能自己还是没有努力够
| l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 20 Re LZ
here you go,
Writing Your Thesis: Advice and Tips
A thesis is a daunting thing: so massive and complex that it’s often
difficult to know even where to start. Herein MESA shares some strategies,
advice and handy tips for getting your thesis under control. And we invite
you to send in your suggestions too.
1. Start Early
The most important step, by far, is to simply start. Even if it’s just the
title page, or the acknowledgements, or some references – start. Starting
early means years ahead, so that if you plan to finish your PhD in 3 years,
you should start writing something by year 2 (or earlier, as the next
section explains).
There’s a number of reasons for this. Firstly, a thesis is time-consuming
and shouldn’t be rushed. Being able to write a chapter, leave it for a few
months, and come back with fresh eyes and perspectives for improvement is a
huge advantage. Secondly, you’ll have a full plate in your final PhD year
– in addition to finishing experiments, you’ll probably be attending
conferences, applying for jobs and/or postdocs, along with a whole host of
associated issues (e.g., immigration, visas, interviews), on top of your
thesis writing. Plan ahead so that the collective pressure doesn’t build up!
The final and most important reason for starting early is this: writing is
part of the scientific process itself. That’s because science is a lot more
chaotic and iterative than typically portrayed: it’s not as simple as
sitting down to design experiments in your 1st year, then getting
measurements in your 2nd year, then writing up the thesis in your 3rd year.
No, instead after an idea goes to the experimental stage and it gets written
up, that process of writing and analysis unearths issues and potential
improvements – this then sends you back to the drawing board and to do more
experiments. Thus, writing is not the final step after all the experiments
are done – it’s part of the process. So start early (today!), and keep it
up.
2. Write Papers: They’re Actually Thesis Chapters
The easiest (and most useful) way to write your thesis is to avoid it
altogether – write papers instead. If by your third year you’ve got 4-6
papers – whether that’s published, submitted or in manuscript form – then
you’re already set: the writing is mostly done, and, better yet, it’s
already been read and commented-on not only by your thesis advisers, but
also by anonymous peer-reviewers. This ensures your work passes the
scientific bar and will make your thesis writing and defense far, far easier.
Of course, writing papers (especially 4-6) requires hard work, self-
discipline, and a bit of luck. It’s completely worth the effort though,
because in addition to easing thesis writing and completion, it keeps you on
track by breaking down the thesis writing into individual sections/chapters
. Finally, all those papers will boost your CV and post-PhD prospects
immensely!
3. Make Use of Scientific ‘Downtime’
It happens to all PhD students: scientific downtime where you can’t do the
work you had planned to do. For example, a needed piece of equipment might
be down for repairs, or heavily booked up by others. Or maybe a chemical has
been ordered but has not yet arrived. In these cases, all of a sudden work
time appears to become free time, and whole days or even weeks can be
passed over coffee breaks, internet surfing and the like. Tempting, but do
yourself a favor: use downtime to chip away at thesis work. Even if it’s as
little as 1-2 hours spent writing or preparing figures or getting familiar
with your bibliography, it adds up!
4. Know Your References / Bibliography
An intimate knowledge of your field is key, for a number of reasons. First
and foremost, you don’t want to be that one PhD student who spends 4 years
on a project, only to find out when writing the thesis that someone did the
exact same work 20 years ago (and that they got better results too), thus
invalidating the novelty of your contribution. Good referencing also signals
to your fellow researchers – and, more to the point, to your thesis
evaluators – that you are aware of what’s going on in your field, and that
you understand the science. And finally, since it really is hard work
finding and reading all of the appropriate scientific literature, you don’t
want to leave it to the last few months.
5. Choose Your Typesetting
Microsoft Word is, one has to admit, fantastic for many things: it is easy
to use, makes collaboration and tracking changes trivial, and it is
ubiquitous. However, it is problematic for something as large and complex as
a thesis: you’ll be fighting constantly with formatting, figures,
referencing, cross-linking and other issues, rather than focusing on what
actually matters: writing about your science. To top it all off, the final
result looks amateurish – theses written up in Microsoft Word never look as
professional as, say, a journal article or a book.
The alternative is LaTeX, a typesetting solution that can be thought of as a
mix between a word processor and a programming language. There is
admittedly a learning curve for the installation and syntax, but if you’ve
ever done any light programming, it’ll be easy to pick up; it’s also very
well documented online, with many helpful, easy examples. (And really, if
you’re doing a PhD, you can figure out LaTeX. It’s not that intellectually
strenuous.) The advantages to LaTeX are these: beautiful formatting is
built-in, equations and symbols are handled very well, referencing and cross
-linking is painless and seamless, and issues like figure placement and
alignment are automatically taken care of. The final document typically
comes out in PDF format, and looks professional and well-designed, with
minimal effort.
Downsides to LaTeX: aside from the aforementioned learning curve, the other
issue is collaboration and tracking changes. Your supervisors will not be
able to comment or revise your text as easily as they can in Microsoft Word.
Which to choose? Depends on your field and aptitude. If you’re in anything
involving physics, mathematics, computer science, and so on, then go for
LaTeX. Chemists, biologists and their ilk still tend to stick with Microsoft
Word for theses; they shouldn’t.
6. Brevity is Beautiful
Resist the temptation to write a long thesis. Excellent science can and
should stand by itself, without verbose padding. Some of the best theses,
from students with multiple first-author papers in Science and Nature, are
wafer-thin in length, i.e., in the 100-150 page range. You should definitely
aim to keep your thesis under 200 pages in length: anything longer will
likely put your thesis’ external reviewers in a foul mood, delay your
thesis’ evaluation, and signal that you may be trying to compensate for a
lack of quality with a deluge of quantity. (There’s many books dedicated to
good writing: we suggest "The Elements of Style" by Strunk & White, and "
Style: Ten Lessons in Clarity and Grace" by J. Williams.)
7. Put Yourself in Your Examiner’s Shoes
Your examiners are busy people, so try to not piss them off. Here’s what’s
probably going on through their mind when they open up your work: "oh no,
not another thesis to read", tempered with a faint optimism of "it might
help me keep up to date with this area of research" and "it might teach me
something or inspire me". They’ll probably read your baby on trains, planes
and in the back row of departmental seminars and meetings. They’ll love a
good abstract, proper citing of the right papers, clear arguments, complete
contents, and any papers you’ve published will help put them on your side.
And some will think that they haven’t done their job unless they find
corrections to give back to you; don’t let that faze you.
8. Backup, Backup, Backup
It pays to be paranoid about your thesis’ safety, and in this age of all-
permeating connectivity, there’s no excuse to be slack about backups. Put
your thesis on multiple computers, put in on USB sticks, put in on external
hard drives, and put in on a cloud-storage solution such as Dropbox.com.
9. Attend Workshops, Look Up Examples, and External Resources
Many universities make their students’ PhD theses available online – look
up examples, particularly from your university and your subject area. This
is the best way to get an idea about issues like formatting, length and
expectations. (Of course, also look up your university’s official thesis
guidelines.) But also look further abroad, and get inspiration from theses
from the world’s top universities, or from theses of those that have now
become famous scientists. There’s also a multitude of websites and blog
posts about thesis writing, so keep searching online if you feel the need
for more advice and tips. Your university is also likely to offer thesis-
writing workshops at least a few times a year – attend them, they’ll save
you time in the long run.
Send Us Your Writing Tips!
We’d like to open this up to other MacDiarmid students and postdocs, so
please send us with your thesis writing advice and tips – we’ll be happy
to put them online here.
link:
//mesa.ac.nz/?page_id=1863
or
How to prepare for– and survive – your Ph. D defense? Tips from your
former McGill fellows!
link:
//biology.mcgill.ca/grad/BGSA/defense_survival.pdf
or
Writing guides for Doctoral students
Guide to essay writing (235 KB PDF)
Guide for the preparation of theses and dissertations (173 KB PDF)
both are at link:
//www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/about/departments-and-schools/department-
of-anthropology/helpandadvice-6
or
//www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/about/departments-and-schools/department-
of-anthropology
bottom
Help and advice (icon click here)
Where to get help and advice in the Department of ABC
including Writing Guides for essays and theses/dissertations. | | | l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 21 Dua 10月下旬毕业 这个月内 degree dissertation submission deadline?
还有工夫上买买提 啊!? 还是已经submitted to degree evaluation committee拉?
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 我两个多月写了不到60页introduction...效率极低。。。
: 算上以前写的东西和manuscript勉强算写了100页英语文章。
: 除了英语还有技巧，推荐
: http://www.amazon.com/How-Write-Publish-Scientific-Paper/dp/031
: 英语推荐http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/style.html
| D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 22 写得头疼的时候就溜号呗。。。
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: Dua 10月下旬毕业 这个月内 degree dissertation submission deadline?
: 还有工夫上买买提 啊!? 还是已经submitted to degree evaluation committee拉?
:
| l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 23 découvrir
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 写得头疼的时候就溜号呗。。。
| D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 24 发现啥？
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: découvrir
| l**********1
发帖数: 5204 | 25 原来 你来问版大 癌老大 要包子的时刻 之寸前 都是'溜号'进行时 Ah !? lol
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 发现啥？
| D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 26 哈哈哈，长帖是溜长号，短帖是溜短号
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】
: 原来 你来问版大 癌老大 要包子的时刻 之寸前 都是'溜号'进行时 Ah !? lol
| q******g
发帖数: 3858 | 27 列好提纲，越详细越好。然后就是往提纲里填内容。脑子好使的时候，写结果和讨论，
背景介绍。累了就写实验方法。要想写的多，就越具体越好。写好第一遍底稿，隔几天
后，忘的差不多了，再开始改。会发现很多地方自己也读不懂， 要多改几遍。觉得差
不多了，找个英文母语的帮你改一遍。 | k****n
发帖数: 158 | 28 谢谢，非常受用
【在 q******g 的大作中提到】
: 列好提纲，越详细越好。然后就是往提纲里填内容。脑子好使的时候，写结果和讨论，
: 背景介绍。累了就写实验方法。要想写的多，就越具体越好。写好第一遍底稿，隔几天
: 后，忘的差不多了，再开始改。会发现很多地方自己也读不懂， 要多改几遍。觉得差
: 不多了，找个英文母语的帮你改一遍。
| t*********i
发帖数: 143 | | k****n
发帖数: 158 | 30 Dua (Dua), 信区: Biology
看几篇英美土著人写的综述，套句式和用词（不是抄句子）
aardlbx (活的潇洒), 信区: Biology
多读些textbook。
SoCalJetmau (阿猫阿狗), 信区: Biology
一个图能写一页和一行的区别不是写作能力，而是思考能
力。你的英文在烂，如果有很多想到的点，一样能写很多。最重要的是先写，写完再改
，写着写着就顺手了。
【在 t*********i 的大作中提到】
: 我也感觉内容是我最大的问题，老是写不长。
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