C********4
发帖数: 308 | 1 http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
366 days: Nature's 10
Ten people who mattered this year.
19 December 2012
Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
Jo Handelsman: The bias detective
Tim Gowers: Seed of discontent
Bernardo De Bernardinis: On the fault line
Ron Fouchier: Flu fighter |
f******g
发帖数: 1003 | |
D*a
发帖数: 6830 | |
s******a
发帖数: 472 | 4 为啥非要加个饶毅落选呢
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
|
k*****1
发帖数: 454 | 5 饶毅刚刚骂王俊是骗子，做的根本不能叫做science。结果被nature给打脸了么。
当然，还有一种可能，就是nature眼睛也瞎了，馃槃
【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: 为啥非要加个饶毅落选呢
|
j********h
发帖数: 40 | 6 RY is too narrow-minded. The impact of Wang Jun's work is 100 times higher
than Rao's. |
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 7 这是自然的十大新闻人物。
LZ应该明白这个头衔的意义。 |
i****g
发帖数: 3896 | 8 年度十大新闻人物不是十大成果：
罗尔夫-迪特尔·霍耶尔（Rolf-Dieter Heuer），欧洲原子核研究委员会主席，他让世
界认识了“上帝粒子”。
辛西娅·罗森茨维格（Cynthia Rosenzweig ），纽约气候变化专门委员会共同主席，
她致力于保护她居住的纽约哥谭镇，使其具有自然灾害抵御能力。
亚当·施特尔茨纳（Adam Steltzner），NASA工程师，他领导“好奇号”火星车的登陆
任务。
塞德里克·布朗潘（Cédric Blanpain），布鲁塞尔大学教授，他领导的团队解决一个
长期争议的科学问题，证实了癌症干细胞确实存在。（科学网报道）
伊丽莎白·艾奥恩斯（Elizabeth Iorns），迈阿密大学博士后，她因证实他人一项研
究的错误而遭到人身攻击和职业挫折。
王俊，华大基因总裁，他领导的华大是当今世界最大的测序公司。
乔·汉德尔斯曼（Jo Handelsman），耶鲁大学微生物学家，她通过研究证实，不论男
女，对女性科学家存在歧视。
蒂姆·高尔斯 （Tim Gowers），剑桥大学数学家，他发起了针对爱思唯尔出版集团的
网络抵制。
贝尔纳· 贝尔纳迪尼斯（Bernardo De Bernardinis），意大利政府官员，他因听信地
震学家没有预防地震而被判过失杀人罪。
罗恩· 富希耶（Ron Fouchier），荷兰病毒学家，争议禽流感论文作者，他全年大部
分时间在争取发表该成果。 （科学网 任春晓/编译）
|
m*******n
发帖数: 387 | 9 塞德里克·布朗潘（Cédric Blanpain），布鲁塞尔大学教授，他领导的团队解决一个
长期争议的科学问题，证实了癌症干细胞确实存在。
这个有啥solid的paper推荐?
多谢！
【在 i****g 的大作中提到】
: 年度十大新闻人物不是十大成果：
: 罗尔夫-迪特尔·霍耶尔（Rolf-Dieter Heuer），欧洲原子核研究委员会主席，他让世
: 界认识了“上帝粒子”。
:
: 辛西娅·罗森茨维格（Cynthia Rosenzweig ），纽约气候变化专门委员会共同主席，
: 她致力于保护她居住的纽约哥谭镇，使其具有自然灾害抵御能力。
:
: 亚当·施特尔茨纳（Adam Steltzner），NASA工程师，他领导“好奇号”火星车的登陆
: 任务。
:
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h******y
发帖数: 351 | 10 这十大跟对Science的贡献没有太大关系吧，都是新闻人物。
【在 k*****1 的大作中提到】
: 饶毅刚刚骂王俊是骗子，做的根本不能叫做science。结果被nature给打脸了么。
: 当然，还有一种可能，就是nature眼睛也瞎了，馃槃
|
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u*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 11 I fully support Jun Wang.
Because if bioinformaticians cannot survive in academics, probably we can
still find a job in BGI. :)
Is BGI Americas recruiting?
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 12 My guess is that they have enough bioinformaticians from China.
Good luck with your application.
【在 u*********1 的大作中提到】
: I fully support Jun Wang.
: Because if bioinformaticians cannot survive in academics, probably we can
: still find a job in BGI. :)
: Is BGI Americas recruiting?
|
l*******r
发帖数: 39279 | 13 winner啊
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
|
T******t
发帖数: 320 | 14 算不上winner，只能说是news focus
我的理解不对吗。
【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: winner啊
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 15 Wang Jun is now a winner for sure.
But not necessarily true for BGI, and for the Chinese sequencing industry as
a whole.
【在 T******t 的大作中提到】
: 算不上winner，只能说是news focus
: 我的理解不对吗。
|
T******t
发帖数: 320 | 16 it is depended on how to define winner. If a winner is merely defined as a
man who is well known and with lots of resources, maybe Jun Wang deserves.
But in science field, specially regarding to creation, I don't think Jun
Wang is a winner. This is my opinion, which is the same as Rao's.
Jun Wang is an organizer, who mainly utilizes the cheep labor and Government
support in China. Even more, he is not a successful nor virtuous merchant.
as
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Wang Jun is now a winner for sure.
: But not necessarily true for BGI, and for the Chinese sequencing industry as
: a whole.
|
L**S
发帖数: 7833 | |
C*********m
发帖数: 213 | 18
Yes, they are.
【在 u*********1 的大作中提到】
: I fully support Jun Wang.
: Because if bioinformaticians cannot survive in academics, probably we can
: still find a job in BGI. :)
: Is BGI Americas recruiting?
|
d********m
发帖数: 3662 | 19 这十个里面有谁是真正搞science
【在 k*****1 的大作中提到】
: 饶毅刚刚骂王俊是骗子，做的根本不能叫做science。结果被nature给打脸了么。
: 当然，还有一种可能，就是nature眼睛也瞎了，馃槃
|
j******i
发帖数: 939 | 20 王俊都还不算winner 要哪样才算winner呢 各位眼光真是高得不得了阿 说起ips大家都
都知道Yamanaka 说起sequencing大家都知道Jun Wang 都是领域内的翘楚 这还都不算
winner吗 如果中国各个领域都能有王俊这样的人物 那就nb发了 |
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a********k
发帖数: 2273 | 21 有人会说Yamanaka那可是诺贝尔奖
不要忘记印度多少炸药奖，韩国多少炸药奖。科学技术是第一生产力，归根结底还是生
产力而不是科学技术。
【在 j******i 的大作中提到】
: 王俊都还不算winner 要哪样才算winner呢 各位眼光真是高得不得了阿 说起ips大家都
: 都知道Yamanaka 说起sequencing大家都知道Jun Wang 都是领域内的翘楚 这还都不算
: winner吗 如果中国各个领域都能有王俊这样的人物 那就nb发了
|
b*****n
发帖数: 1841 | 22 金正恩登上《时代》杂志封面……
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 23 说起纳粹大家都知道希特勒 说起学术丑闻大家都知道黄禹锡？你这比喻有劲么？呵呵
【在 j******i 的大作中提到】
: 王俊都还不算winner 要哪样才算winner呢 各位眼光真是高得不得了阿 说起ips大家都
: 都知道Yamanaka 说起sequencing大家都知道Jun Wang 都是领域内的翘楚 这还都不算
: winner吗 如果中国各个领域都能有王俊这样的人物 那就nb发了
|
a********k
发帖数: 2273 | 24 原来大家这么瞧不起华大啊。。。俺的口味偏重。
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 说起纳粹大家都知道希特勒 说起学术丑闻大家都知道黄禹锡？你这比喻有劲么？呵呵
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 25 我没有瞧不起华大啊 之前一堆人炒的时候我就说华大的商业模式虽然有原罪 但是在丛
林时代也未尝不是可以成功的模式
但是这和science怎么样是两回事。
【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 原来大家这么瞧不起华大啊。。。俺的口味偏重。
|
j*******g
发帖数: 24 | 26 This is a very reasonable comment on Wang Jun and BGI. The innovation and
creativity of BGI is very minimal. For the majority of papers published by
BGI, the technology novelty and data all came from collaborators. It looks
like BGI played important roles in those projects; it's just that BGI has a
very demanding rule of authorship and credit to use their service. Some US
scientists thought BGI has serious integrity and ethical problems. If you
don't believe, try to work with them once. Most people in the genomics field
in the US know that Wang Jun and Wang Jian do not deserve to be the senior
authors on 90% of the papers where they are the authors. I respect that they
have done some work and have promoted sequencing services to different
biological areas. But if people think Wang Jun and Wang Jian are leading
scientists, that's just disgraceful.
Government
.
【在 T******t 的大作中提到】
: it is depended on how to define winner. If a winner is merely defined as a
: man who is well known and with lots of resources, maybe Jun Wang deserves.
: But in science field, specially regarding to creation, I don't think Jun
: Wang is a winner. This is my opinion, which is the same as Rao's.
: Jun Wang is an organizer, who mainly utilizes the cheep labor and Government
: support in China. Even more, he is not a successful nor virtuous merchant.
:
: as
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a********k
发帖数: 2273 | 27 他们的scientific contribution就是Minimal啦
不过在中国谋钱，特别是政府的资金，打着科研的旗号好一些。纯商业的东西政府有点
看不来
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 我没有瞧不起华大啊 之前一堆人炒的时候我就说华大的商业模式虽然有原罪 但是在丛
: 林时代也未尝不是可以成功的模式
: 但是这和science怎么样是两回事。
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 28 所以嘛 lz讨论的是science 我就不那么服气了 呵呵
【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 他们的scientific contribution就是Minimal啦
: 不过在中国谋钱，特别是政府的资金，打着科研的旗号好一些。纯商业的东西政府有点
: 看不来
|
b*****n
发帖数: 1841 | 29 王俊要挂名我觉得尚在我认识的容忍范围之内，因为中国现在就是在砸钱要文章，什么
时候像奥运金牌一样排第一才觉得爽；最倒我胃口的是在做着这些多数人看不过去的事
情的同时，王俊还斩钉截铁地这样说到：“今天完成的所有项目都是我王俊经历、亲身
参与。王俊从来不屑于、也不需要去
拿一个我跟别人合作、别人出的结果，去要一个作者，王俊不是那种人。如果王俊在里
面的贡献不足以当一个作者的位置，我绝不会要！这一点咱们北大人出来的一种傲气还
是有的！我首先要把这一点给讲清楚。”
这就叫做做人没底线，当婊子同时要立牌坊。一开始还挺王俊的，后来不断有人将事实
告诉我之后，对此人只能当骗子看了。
a
field
senior
they
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is a very reasonable comment on Wang Jun and BGI. The innovation and
: creativity of BGI is very minimal. For the majority of papers published by
: BGI, the technology novelty and data all came from collaborators. It looks
: like BGI played important roles in those projects; it's just that BGI has a
: very demanding rule of authorship and credit to use their service. Some US
: scientists thought BGI has serious integrity and ethical problems. If you
: don't believe, try to work with them once. Most people in the genomics field
: in the US know that Wang Jun and Wang Jian do not deserve to be the senior
: authors on 90% of the papers where they are the authors. I respect that they
: have done some work and have promoted sequencing services to different
|
j******i
发帖数: 939 | 30 大大方方的夸奖一下人有那么难吗 国内生物领域国际上知名的人物一个手数得过来 王
俊算一个 用句流行语：你想怎样！？ |
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p*****1
发帖数: 330 | 31 杨焕明十年前就获得了科学美国人的年度全球科研领袖，比王俊牛吧。可院士搞了好几
次才弄上，只提供测序服务很难得到主流认同。
而且华大之所以能够红火， 主要得益于新一代测序技术的出现，否则华大多年前就黄
了，而华大本身在测序技术上并无任何贡献。
当然华大能够抓住商机，这还是很牛的，但这与科学无关了。 |
l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 32 靠，我有本科同学在深圳华大当经理。现在都在香港当经理。命阿！ |
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 33 黄禹锡曾经还是国宝科学家呢 韩国生物领域里国际知名的人物他得排前三吧？
你想怎样？
【在 j******i 的大作中提到】
: 大大方方的夸奖一下人有那么难吗 国内生物领域国际上知名的人物一个手数得过来 王
: 俊算一个 用句流行语：你想怎样！？
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y*****s
发帖数: 1047 | 34 Terry Gou is a winner for sure, so why isn't Jun Wang a winner?
Government
.
【在 T******t 的大作中提到】
: it is depended on how to define winner. If a winner is merely defined as a
: man who is well known and with lots of resources, maybe Jun Wang deserves.
: But in science field, specially regarding to creation, I don't think Jun
: Wang is a winner. This is my opinion, which is the same as Rao's.
: Jun Wang is an organizer, who mainly utilizes the cheep labor and Government
: support in China. Even more, he is not a successful nor virtuous merchant.
:
: as
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 35 所以说生物这个行业没意思。。。
最权威的学术期刊也要为这种垃圾背书。。
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
|
j******i
发帖数: 939 | 36 不管mitbbs上怎么说 王俊当下是国际上生物领域的一个明星无疑 CNS发到手软 受邀和
顶级学者同台talk 做访问教授 指点江山 很有leadership 难道非要哼哧哼哧做克隆跑
胶southern western blot的才算真本事吗 |
n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 37 这厮一直说话都是这个口气。。。
不过我觉得奇怪的是，生物圈子里面怎么能让这种人混这么好的?不懂。。。
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
: 王俊要挂名我觉得尚在我认识的容忍范围之内，因为中国现在就是在砸钱要文章，什么
: 时候像奥运金牌一样排第一才觉得爽；最倒我胃口的是在做着这些多数人看不过去的事
: 情的同时，王俊还斩钉截铁地这样说到：“今天完成的所有项目都是我王俊经历、亲身
: 参与。王俊从来不屑于、也不需要去
: 拿一个我跟别人合作、别人出的结果，去要一个作者，王俊不是那种人。如果王俊在里
: 面的贡献不足以当一个作者的位置，我绝不会要！这一点咱们北大人出来的一种傲气还
: 是有的！我首先要把这一点给讲清楚。”
: 这就叫做做人没底线，当婊子同时要立牌坊。一开始还挺王俊的，后来不断有人将事实
: 告诉我之后，对此人只能当骗子看了。
:
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b*******y
发帖数: 557 | |
h******y
发帖数: 351 | 39 有人的地方就有江湖。王俊一直就是很能混的人，这点不可否认。当然，江湖有江湖的
规律，就像生物遵循自然的规律一样。
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 这厮一直说话都是这个口气。。。
: 不过我觉得奇怪的是，生物圈子里面怎么能让这种人混这么好的?不懂。。。
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P*********y
发帖数: 41 | 40 "I followed all of the rules, man's and God's. And you, you followed none of
them. And they all loved you more. Samuel, Father, and my... even my own
wife" -- from "Legends of the Fall"
【在 h******y 的大作中提到】
: 有人的地方就有江湖。王俊一直就是很能混的人，这点不可否认。当然，江湖有江湖的
: 规律，就像生物遵循自然的规律一样。
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b****r
发帖数: 17995 | 41 我只知道上个月ASHG meeting上，慕名去看华大杨焕明报告，去的人很多，提供的午餐
比其他哪个公司都少而且很不够吃，会议室也租得小
和他本人也聊了会，真不觉得BGI和财大气粗这词有沾边。规模倒是很大，可能就是保
个本把我猜
anyway，作为我个人来说，能在国内享受到价格不高质量还行的测序服务，我觉得就挺
好的了，这一点BGI应该还是算做得不错的，可以和富士康比肩，这么比起来王俊就是
测序界的郭台铭吧
【在 L**S 的大作中提到】
: 你们知道华大多有钱嘛？
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g*******6
发帖数: 1034 | 42 和王有过接触，骗子谈不上，但也不是很serious scientist.给我的印象和Eric
Lander有点象，很会讨价还价，先不谈科学，上来先谈credit能给我多少。
He is for sure a winner, more from management perspective, and less from
scientific perspective. (his research is OK, but he is better at negotiation
and managing the team)
nature给他新闻人物的定位没什么不好，同时华人，我们应该骄傲才是。做科学，每个
人的定位都可以不一样，行行出状元。Southern也不能算是serious scientist吧，一
样那nobel |
g*******6
发帖数: 1034 | 43 Excellent comment, especially about the credit part.
We got to understand that credit does not come from the paid service, but
from originality of hypothesis, experimental design, and data interpretation
. Of course, those who does the work contribute significantly, but simply
doing the work with a discount should never qualify for corresponding author.
I don't mean that all of Jun's papers were published with unfair authorship.
But the way he talked with me made me worry about credit when people work
with him.
There are lots of people who can do sequencing service and data analysis now
... BGI got some momentum, because they did the right thing at the right
time. Good luck with their long-term scientific potential.
I still think they will grow as a business regardless scientific
achievements.
a
field
senior
they
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is a very reasonable comment on Wang Jun and BGI. The innovation and
: creativity of BGI is very minimal. For the majority of papers published by
: BGI, the technology novelty and data all came from collaborators. It looks
: like BGI played important roles in those projects; it's just that BGI has a
: very demanding rule of authorship and credit to use their service. Some US
: scientists thought BGI has serious integrity and ethical problems. If you
: don't believe, try to work with them once. Most people in the genomics field
: in the US know that Wang Jun and Wang Jian do not deserve to be the senior
: authors on 90% of the papers where they are the authors. I respect that they
: have done some work and have promoted sequencing services to different
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o*****r
发帖数: 39 | 44 Naming Jun Wang as people who mattered this year proves to me again that
Nature News is just a joke.
I still remember what they did to 叶诗文。
If they really want name one chinese that mattered and will continue to
matter, they
should name 习近平。
【在 C********4 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nature.com/news/366-days-nature-s-10-1.11997
: 366 days: Nature's 10
: Ten people who mattered this year.
: 19 December 2012
: Rolf-Dieter Heuer: The Higgs diplomat
: Cynthia Rosenzweig: Guardian of Gotham
: Adam Steltzner: Our man on Mars
: Cédric Blanpain: Cell tracker
: Elizabeth Iorns: Replication hound
: Jun Wang: Genome juggernaut
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A*****O
发帖数: 394 | 45 你确定你了解（真正理解了）eric lander的科学贡献？麻烦您展开说说eric lander在
genomics领域的贡献和地位（如果你还认为genomics是一个独立的严肃的学科的话），
可以吗？
同样，你确定你了解southern的科学贡献？给我们科普一下好吗？谢谢！
negotiation
【在 g*******6 的大作中提到】
: 和王有过接触，骗子谈不上，但也不是很serious scientist.给我的印象和Eric
: Lander有点象，很会讨价还价，先不谈科学，上来先谈credit能给我多少。
: He is for sure a winner, more from management perspective, and less from
: scientific perspective. (his research is OK, but he is better at negotiation
: and managing the team)
: nature给他新闻人物的定位没什么不好，同时华人，我们应该骄傲才是。做科学，每个
: 人的定位都可以不一样，行行出状元。Southern也不能算是serious scientist吧，一
: 样那nobel
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d*****n
发帖数: 166 | 46 If wang and BGI have ethical problems, how about their US collaborators who
agree such authorship arrangement? Do they have ethical problems?
a
field
senior
they
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is a very reasonable comment on Wang Jun and BGI. The innovation and
: creativity of BGI is very minimal. For the majority of papers published by
: BGI, the technology novelty and data all came from collaborators. It looks
: like BGI played important roles in those projects; it's just that BGI has a
: very demanding rule of authorship and credit to use their service. Some US
: scientists thought BGI has serious integrity and ethical problems. If you
: don't believe, try to work with them once. Most people in the genomics field
: in the US know that Wang Jun and Wang Jian do not deserve to be the senior
: authors on 90% of the papers where they are the authors. I respect that they
: have done some work and have promoted sequencing services to different
|
j*******g
发帖数: 24 | 47 Strictly speaking, yes. But sometimes non-BGI people have to compromise that
to get their work published and get their project done with a more
competitive cost. I think BGI's authorship problem will backfire.
who
【在 d*****n 的大作中提到】
: If wang and BGI have ethical problems, how about their US collaborators who
: agree such authorship arrangement? Do they have ethical problems?
:
: a
: field
: senior
: they
|
d*****n
发帖数: 166 | 48 If ethical issue is something that can be so conveniently compromised by
these leading US genomicists, why it is so serious when it comes to wang and
BGI?
【
在 jameslong (LL) 的大作中提到: 】
that |
j*******g
发帖数: 24 | 49 Very simple reason - BGI does not deserve that credit. Also, the compromise
is never convenient. You can talk to US groups who have worked with them.
and
【在 d*****n 的大作中提到】
: If ethical issue is something that can be so conveniently compromised by
: these leading US genomicists, why it is so serious when it comes to wang and
: BGI?
: 【
: 在 jameslong (LL) 的大作中提到: 】
: that
|
d*****n
发帖数: 166 | 50 all these US groups agree to provide wang and BGI the authorship they don't
deserve, and that creates a serious ethical problem for wang and BGI.
compromise
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: Very simple reason - BGI does not deserve that credit. Also, the compromise
: is never convenient. You can talk to US groups who have worked with them.
:
: and
|
|
|
j*******g
发帖数: 24 | 51 Please ... Wang Jun/BGI is different as night and day from Lander/Broad in
terms of scientific impact. Not even close.
negotiation
【在 g*******6 的大作中提到】
: 和王有过接触，骗子谈不上，但也不是很serious scientist.给我的印象和Eric
: Lander有点象，很会讨价还价，先不谈科学，上来先谈credit能给我多少。
: He is for sure a winner, more from management perspective, and less from
: scientific perspective. (his research is OK, but he is better at negotiation
: and managing the team)
: nature给他新闻人物的定位没什么不好，同时华人，我们应该骄傲才是。做科学，每个
: 人的定位都可以不一样，行行出状元。Southern也不能算是serious scientist吧，一
: 样那nobel
|
j*******g
发帖数: 24 | 52 I don't think I need to argue any more if you want to defend BGI that way.
Of course BGI started it and they take it for granted to ask for it. Also,
as pointed out earlier by others, it's completely fine to provide service to
other scientists. But it's crazy for BGI and Wang Jun to show off and
exaggerate BGI's scientific contribution while in fact it's quite minimal.
t
【在 d*****n 的大作中提到】
: all these US groups agree to provide wang and BGI the authorship they don't
: deserve, and that creates a serious ethical problem for wang and BGI.
:
: compromise
|
d*****n
发帖数: 166 | 53 OK. i will stop.
Just for clarification, i am not a big fan of Wang/BGI's "science" at all. I
wish their money can be spent somewhere else like to support small
individual labs.
to
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: I don't think I need to argue any more if you want to defend BGI that way.
: Of course BGI started it and they take it for granted to ask for it. Also,
: as pointed out earlier by others, it's completely fine to provide service to
: other scientists. But it's crazy for BGI and Wang Jun to show off and
: exaggerate BGI's scientific contribution while in fact it's quite minimal.
:
: t
|
s***o
发帖数: 11 | 54
同问！扫了眼相关abstract，做lineage tracking的，不知道有何特殊之处？
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 塞德里克·布朗潘（Cédric Blanpain），布鲁塞尔大学教授，他领导的团队解决一个
: 长期争议的科学问题，证实了癌症干细胞确实存在。
: 这个有啥solid的paper推荐?
: 多谢！
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y*****s
发帖数: 1047 | 55 Is BGI a CRO? or a core facility? or a non-profit research institute? |
w********i
发帖数: 389 | 56 wang jun做的是nature，看他们发的paper都在nature上。本身是欧洲的海归，和欧洲
的合作非常多
【在 k*****1 的大作中提到】
: 饶毅刚刚骂王俊是骗子，做的根本不能叫做science。结果被nature给打脸了么。
: 当然，还有一种可能，就是nature眼睛也瞎了，馃槃
|
t******y
发帖数: 716 | 57 给人提供组织样品能够获得文章署名，为什么给人测序就不能获得署名？而且基因测序
本身不是一个简单的工作，对于遗传学来说，知道序列就等于完成了最重要和最主要的
工作。测序在文章里的贡献非常大。华大基因给人提供测序服务，并获得文章署名我认
为非常合理。 |
