b********m
发帖数: 73 | 1 Can't believe he has the audacity to put this in writing. This is a
despicable violation of HR regulations. He still holds a position in
Berkeley I think, someone in the UC system or anyone who concerns about his
research integrity and vicious coercion should report this to the Berkeley
HR officials. His position at UC Berkeley should be challenged. All he does
is promoting an adverse environment in biologic research during his pursuit
of personal fame. |
d********t
发帖数: 9628 | 2 why？ nothing wrong
his
does
pursuit
【在 b********m 的大作中提到】
: Can't believe he has the audacity to put this in writing. This is a
: despicable violation of HR regulations. He still holds a position in
: Berkeley I think, someone in the UC system or anyone who concerns about his
: research integrity and vicious coercion should report this to the Berkeley
: HR officials. His position at UC Berkeley should be challenged. All he does
: is promoting an adverse environment in biologic research during his pursuit
: of personal fame.
|
r******9
发帖数: 2632 | 3 Why don't you do it then?
Go consult with your attorney to find out how you as an outsider can
litigate.
his
does
pursuit
【在 b********m 的大作中提到】
: Can't believe he has the audacity to put this in writing. This is a
: despicable violation of HR regulations. He still holds a position in
: Berkeley I think, someone in the UC system or anyone who concerns about his
: research integrity and vicious coercion should report this to the Berkeley
: HR officials. His position at UC Berkeley should be challenged. All he does
: is promoting an adverse environment in biologic research during his pursuit
: of personal fame.
|
r******8
发帖数: 1486 | 4 这些PI都是既得利益者，不会想改变这种土皇帝的格局的。没有从上到下的体制变化，
这个领域只会一直走下坡路，回不了头的。真的想改，还怕找不到在Poo实验室呆过的
人么？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0.1
【在 r******9 的大作中提到】
: Why don't you do it then?
: Go consult with your attorney to find out how you as an outsider can
: litigate.
:
: his
: does
: pursuit
|
e*******o
发帖数: 4654 | 5 对的
和国内告城管一个道理 欺负的就是小虾米
【在 r******8 的大作中提到】
: 这些PI都是既得利益者，不会想改变这种土皇帝的格局的。没有从上到下的体制变化，
: 这个领域只会一直走下坡路，回不了头的。真的想改，还怕找不到在Poo实验室呆过的
: 人么？
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0.1
|
b********m
发帖数: 73 | 6 simply trying to speak up for abused postdocs and grads, litigation would be
much more powerful from someone who are involved rather than a bystander.
if you got nothing to contribute, try not to be an asshole, although it
might be quite a daunting task for you.
【在 r******9 的大作中提到】
: Why don't you do it then?
: Go consult with your attorney to find out how you as an outsider can
: litigate.
:
: his
: does
: pursuit
|
b********m
发帖数: 73 | 7 you are so pathetic, sounds like a dying frog in boiling water
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】
: why？ nothing wrong
:
: his
: does
: pursuit
|
d********t
发帖数: 9628 | 8 工作时间一周50小时也不算长啊
be
【在 b********m 的大作中提到】
: simply trying to speak up for abused postdocs and grads, litigation would be
: much more powerful from someone who are involved rather than a bystander.
: if you got nothing to contribute, try not to be an asshole, although it
: might be quite a daunting task for you.
|
x*******1
发帖数: 28835 | 9 should report to 劳工部，工会。为啥postdoc不成立工会阿？ 像美国长滩码头工人
一样，不涨薪水，就联合罢工 |
m********e
发帖数: 349 | 10 hostile work environment
如果给博后签的合同中没有要求作时间〉60小时，而time sheet pay里work hours<60/
week 这封邮件的要求走人的措辞符合下面这条：
The acts done must be "severe or pervasive enough to create a work
environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile,
or abusive."
但确实需要他的employee 来做 |
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r******9
发帖数: 2632 | 11 On the issue, I think Poo's email is justified, and you are wrong and
misleading.
Now on your remarks directed at my posting. Don't kid yourself! There's
nothing of your doing to really speak of. So quick to resort to profanity at
first sniff of a different opinion. That tells something about your thought
's coherence, which doesn't seem much really. Readers should heavily
discount anything you say, probably to nothing.
be
【在 b********m 的大作中提到】
: simply trying to speak up for abused postdocs and grads, litigation would be
: much more powerful from someone who are involved rather than a bystander.
: if you got nothing to contribute, try not to be an asshole, although it
: might be quite a daunting task for you.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 12 I think UCalifornia graduate students are unionized. I don't know about
post-doc. His letter won't violate California lab law 10 years ago.
However, I believe today it will if the overtime is not paid or been ruled
not expected work load by court.
【在 x*******1 的大作中提到】
: should report to 劳工部，工会。为啥postdoc不成立工会阿？ 像美国长滩码头工人
: 一样，不涨薪水，就联合罢工
|
x******h
发帖数: 838 | 13 I remember postdocs are also unionized in CA now but not 10 years ago.You
can say Poo is mean but his letter didn't violate any law of that time. In
fact, his letter may not even violate any law nowadays but may violate union
contract.
Some people are just too young and sometimes naive, :-).
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I think UCalifornia graduate students are unionized. I don't know about
: post-doc. His letter won't violate California lab law 10 years ago.
: However, I believe today it will if the overtime is not paid or been ruled
: not expected work load by court.
|
b*******8
发帖数: 37364 | 14 看到一个国内微博转了那封信，奉若神明，句句翻译，用来激励自己。
只想说一句：傻冒，当奴隶当上瘾了！ |
n*********s
发帖数: 552 | 15 postdoc工会是有的，每月pay check直接扣掉40多工会费。但是postdoc真是没有hedge
，这里完全是不想呆就走人的。
【在 x*******1 的大作中提到】
: should report to 劳工部，工会。为啥postdoc不成立工会阿？ 像美国长滩码头工人
: 一样，不涨薪水，就联合罢工
|
r******9
发帖数: 2632 | 16 The bottom line: The positions in question are salary jobs, not wage jobs.
On a salary job (should you decide to take one), you are obligated to
fulfill your end of the bargain, that is, meeting performance expectations.
Hours per se do not matter. If you're unable or unwilling to perform, you
must leave, regardless of how hard you try or how many hours you put in.
This is a matter of contractual obligation and work ethics.
Who's to judge performance? Of course the boss! Poo was trying to articulate
what his expectations are. And, I think he went extra miles in doing that
for the benefit of his employees.
The focal point here is performance. Poo was obviously extremely upset about
some lab members's lack of satisfactory progress toward performance
expectations. He basically pointed out the obvious, in his line of work,
putting in enough hours is a necessary condition for meeting performance
objectives.
Don't get distracted by cynics' meaningless rants. Focus on your career
success. Believe it or not, your boss probably has a bigger personal stake
in your success than the incoherent cynic who started this thread. |
