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发帖数: 10098 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: allstonpower (大头皮鞋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: Nature, 叶诗文, 造假, 饶毅, 施一公, 王小东
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 2 22:50:45 2012, 美东)
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2012-08-02 06:11 AM
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Iam withNature said:
I tend to side with the opinion and suspicion conveyed in this article and I
am afraid that these concerns have a wider basis than the facts relevant to
the specific Olympic event.
Speaking of this wider problem, I have to reluctantly admit that I myself as
both a faculty member and a researcher have witnessed numerous occasions of
striking dishonesty and lack of integrity demonstrated by my Chinese
colleagues and students on a regular basis.
Lets start with the GRE and TOEFL scores that we (in the US) often see in
graduate applications coming from China (most scores there are nearly
perfect). Is there a single University in the US that takes those coming
from China seriously? Those scores are obviously and shamelessly rigged and
are completely useless.
Research. I do see very often pure and simple theft of scientific ideas and
results by various Chinese groups, sometimes in a rather outrageous form.
For example, the following has become a rather routine mode of operation of
one Chinese research group that works in a field very close to mine (so, I
am much familiar with it): they often publish papers which closely follow up
and sometimes simply repeat previously-published original works by others,
but intentionally omit citations to those original papers that the authors
are certainly aware of (of course, the goal is to take credit that belongs
to others). Speaking further about theft, the more well-known example is the
Yao-Perelman affair. Based on what I've seen myself and heard from my many
other colleagues, these are not isolated incidents, but a widespread trend.
Working with my Chinese students, I have discovered to my dismay that some
of them (sometimes quite brilliant and gifted) are pathological liars, who
seem to have absolutely no remorse about twisting the facts around and lying
, whenever they think it might benefit them.
My feeling is that there is a serious underlying problem with ethics, which
appears to be pretty much a non-existent concept in this part of the world.
Actually, it is not very surprising if we recall that the political system
in modern China is based on a big lie (Politbureau, communist party etc),
that nobody believes in but everybody has to adjust to in order to survive.
Add to it huge human rights abuses (that the outside "civilized" world
including the US chooses to ignore), virtual absence of free speech, and yet
all this co-exists with the obvious success of China as a country. So, what
is the message that a young person gets growing up in such a society? I do
not think honesty is placed very high on the priority list. | b*********h
发帖数: 951 | 2 nature要这么sb的直接搞种族歧视,倒好办了
专业人士nb在软刀子杀人
把你气个半死还抓不到什么实质性把柄
到现在不还有一堆脚着自己洋文水准很高的中国人,觉得nature原文公正客观,反思我们
自己过度敏感/实质自卑么 | y****r
发帖数: 3036 | 3 最烦这种所谓披着学术的外衣搞这种下三滥的东西，想登这篇，可以，我不信他们没有
收到过相反观点的paper，一并登出来，这才是公正公平，搞这种一言堂没意思。
说道过度敏感，有些质疑其实确实过了，比如把中国国旗挂在底下，但是叶诗文，是一
定要保护的，这涉及到尊严。
【在 b*********h 的大作中提到】
: nature要这么sb的直接搞种族歧视,倒好办了
: 专业人士nb在软刀子杀人
: 把你气个半死还抓不到什么实质性把柄
: 到现在不还有一堆脚着自己洋文水准很高的中国人,觉得nature原文公正客观,反思我们
: 自己过度敏感/实质自卑么
| b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 4 没啥过的；就是故意的。朝鲜那国旗也是故意的。小日本其实也被整了。我们生活的这
个时代比较倒霉，是西风压倒东风的时候。世界大同，那是不可能的，o8就说了，美国
必须是第一，其他人要和美国一样，那是不允许的。
我们
【在 y****r 的大作中提到】
: 最烦这种所谓披着学术的外衣搞这种下三滥的东西，想登这篇，可以，我不信他们没有
: 收到过相反观点的paper，一并登出来，这才是公正公平，搞这种一言堂没意思。
: 说道过度敏感，有些质疑其实确实过了，比如把中国国旗挂在底下，但是叶诗文，是一
: 定要保护的，这涉及到尊严。
| y****r
发帖数: 3036 | 5 中国上面的国旗是韩国的
俄罗斯上面的国企是南非的
这是什么风压倒什么风？
你这理论没错，所有国家都做梦当世界第一，但要把这几个国旗的问题摆到世界大同的
高度，也确实没必要。别的不说，你就是找英国人，美国人把韩国和朝鲜的国旗摆在一
起让他们认，我打赌90%的人认不出来，然后你告诉他们答案，第二天再问，还得有90%
的人认不出来。
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 没啥过的；就是故意的。朝鲜那国旗也是故意的。小日本其实也被整了。我们生活的这
: 个时代比较倒霉，是西风压倒东风的时候。世界大同，那是不可能的，o8就说了，美国
: 必须是第一，其他人要和美国一样，那是不允许的。
:
: 我们
| b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 6 是打压中俄。这些乌龙全是有预谋的。还是等着看NFL不闹心，奥运会后天看个网球，
再看个百米就够了。今年早打算去看训练营，这星期又去不了，不知道还有几次。
90%
的这
美国
【在 y****r 的大作中提到】
: 中国上面的国旗是韩国的
: 俄罗斯上面的国企是南非的
: 这是什么风压倒什么风？
: 你这理论没错，所有国家都做梦当世界第一，但要把这几个国旗的问题摆到世界大同的
: 高度，也确实没必要。别的不说，你就是找英国人，美国人把韩国和朝鲜的国旗摆在一
: 起让他们认，我打赌90%的人认不出来，然后你告诉他们答案，第二天再问，还得有90%
: 的人认不出来。
| y****r
发帖数: 3036 | 7 明天可以看看孙阳的游泳。训练营没几天了，9号preseason就开始了
不过8月7号你争取去看吧，猪不理要和不累底在foxborough合练，公开训练课～
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 是打压中俄。这些乌龙全是有预谋的。还是等着看NFL不闹心，奥运会后天看个网球，
: 再看个百米就够了。今年早打算去看训练营，这星期又去不了，不知道还有几次。
:
: 90%
: 的这
: 美国
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