N*****e
发帖数: 2573 | 1 网易科技讯 8月24日消息，据国外媒体报道，美国马萨诸塞州一联邦法庭今日宣布，维
持此前对一非法下载者的处罚判决。这名被告因非法下载31首歌曲被判罚67.5万美元。
2007年，大学生乔尔·泰拉贝尔（Joel Tenenbaum）因从文件分享网站上下载了31首歌
曲，而被美国4大唱片公司起诉。
当时的陪审团认定泰拉贝尔有罪，故意侵犯版权，应处67.5万美元的罚款。但泰拉贝尔
称陪审团裁定违宪，而主审法官也认为判罚过重。
但上诉法庭认定判决合理，泰拉贝尔律师要求最高法院介入，遭到拒绝。
美国唱片工业协会（RIAA）表示，“我们乐见法院做出如此判决。”（亚比 |
a*******8
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 3 啥叫非法下载？
【在 N*****e 的大作中提到】
: 网易科技讯 8月24日消息，据国外媒体报道，美国马萨诸塞州一联邦法庭今日宣布，维
: 持此前对一非法下载者的处罚判决。这名被告因非法下载31首歌曲被判罚67.5万美元。
: 2007年，大学生乔尔·泰拉贝尔（Joel Tenenbaum）因从文件分享网站上下载了31首歌
: 曲，而被美国4大唱片公司起诉。
: 当时的陪审团认定泰拉贝尔有罪，故意侵犯版权，应处67.5万美元的罚款。但泰拉贝尔
: 称陪审团裁定违宪，而主审法官也认为判罚过重。
: 但上诉法庭认定判决合理，泰拉贝尔律师要求最高法院介入，遭到拒绝。
: 美国唱片工业协会（RIAA）表示，“我们乐见法院做出如此判决。”（亚比
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N*****e
发帖数: 2573 | 4 Not pay.
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫非法下载？
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 5 这个怎么界定？你扔一万块钱在地上我捡起来就非法了？
【在 N*****e 的大作中提到】
: Not pay.
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Y*****s
发帖数: 342 | 6 Tenenbaum’s lawyers said a 2008 study estimated that the average teenager
illegally downloaded 800 songs, which would expose that person to damages of
as much as $120 million. Multiplied by the number of people sued by the
recording industry, the maximum damage amount would reach $1.5 trillion.
美国的财政赤字有指望了! |
b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 7 这个报道语焉不详，光从字面上看这个判罚就是耍流氓。
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【在 Y*****s 的大作中提到】
: Tenenbaum’s lawyers said a 2008 study estimated that the average teenager
: illegally downloaded 800 songs, which would expose that person to damages of
: as much as $120 million. Multiplied by the number of people sued by the
: recording industry, the maximum damage amount would reach $1.5 trillion.
: 美国的财政赤字有指望了!
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N*****e
发帖数: 2573 | 8 original news:
Yesterday marked the end of Joel Tenenbaum's court battle with the RIAA over
31 songs he illegally distributed on Kazaa. A federal judge denied his
latest appeal, and now he's on the hook for $675,000. That's nearly $22,000
per song, plus some wholesale character assassination that has now been
sealed with judge's rubber stamp.
U.S. District Court Judge Rya W. Zobel declined Tenenbaum's last appeal,
saying the jury decided correctly last year when it found that Tenenbaum had
willfully stolen the songs and that he knew better. But rather than uphold
the decision and move on, Zobel took the opportunity to moralize:
In short, there was ample evidence of willfulness and the need for
deterrence based on Tenenbaum's blatant contempt of warnings and apparent
disregard for the consequences of his actions. In spite of the overwhelming
evidence from which the jury could conclude that Tenenbaum's activities
were willful, the award of $22,500 per infringement not only was at the low
end of the range – only 15% of the statutory maximum – for willful
infringement, but was below the statutory maximum for non-willful
infringement.
To translate the lawspeak, the judge basically says that Tenenabaum was a
very naughty boy who should've known better, and it was awfully nice of the
jury to be so lenient. The number the jury decided on was below the maximum
allowed if he had committed the crime unwittingly. They could have hit
Tenenbaum with a $4.65 million penalty.
This is the end of the line for Tenenbaum; the Supreme Court declined to
hear the case, meaning that he's out of options. That $675,000 fine will
stand. We asked the RIAA for comment, and they pointed us to pages 5 and 6
of the decision, which "speaks for itself." These are the two pages that
include Zobel's pontificating above. It's a forensic analysis of Tenebaum's
character rather than an analysis that cuts to the facts of the case.
Regardless of what the maximum allowable penalty for a crime is, anything
more than a slap on the wrist for Tenenbaum's actions would have been hugely
disproportionate to the crime. As it stands, the RIAA has certainly made an
example by ruining one kid's life financially and dragging his name through
the mud. Although it's maybe not the one they intended. [CNET
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 这个怎么界定？你扔一万块钱在地上我捡起来就非法了？
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 9 keyword: distributed
我就说哪有这么简单
over
000
had
uphold
overwhelming
activities
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maximum
s
hugely
an
through
【在 N*****e 的大作中提到】
: original news:
: Yesterday marked the end of Joel Tenenbaum's court battle with the RIAA over
: 31 songs he illegally distributed on Kazaa. A federal judge denied his
: latest appeal, and now he's on the hook for $675,000. That's nearly $22,000
: per song, plus some wholesale character assassination that has now been
: sealed with judge's rubber stamp.
: U.S. District Court Judge Rya W. Zobel declined Tenenbaum's last appeal,
: saying the jury decided correctly last year when it found that Tenenbaum had
: willfully stolen the songs and that he knew better. But rather than uphold
: the decision and move on, Zobel took the opportunity to moralize:
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a*******8
发帖数: 5069 | |
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d*******n
发帖数: 1566 | 11 没错的，太多人大惊小怪，
单纯download没有问题，是upload在作怪
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: keyword: distributed
: 我就说哪有这么简单
:
: over
: 000
: had
: uphold
: overwhelming
: activities
: low
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 12 没文化的中文妓者害死人呀。
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: keyword: distributed
: 我就说哪有这么简单
:
: over
: 000
: had
: uphold
: overwhelming
: activities
: low
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Y*****s
发帖数: 342 | 13 distributed不是keyword,大家有空读一下这个case的判决书,主要就是根据fair use来
判的.
http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Lawyer_Copyright_Internet_
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: keyword: distributed
: 我就说哪有这么简单
:
: over
: 000
: had
: uphold
: overwhelming
: activities
: low
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Y*****s
发帖数: 342 | 14 顺便说一句,法官连jury的机会都不给.
【在 Y*****s 的大作中提到】
: distributed不是keyword,大家有空读一下这个case的判决书,主要就是根据fair use来
: 判的.
: http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Lawyer_Copyright_Internet_
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a*******8
发帖数: 5069 | |
b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 16 那就是扯淡
【在 Y*****s 的大作中提到】
: distributed不是keyword,大家有空读一下这个case的判决书,主要就是根据fair use来
: 判的.
: http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Lawyer_Copyright_Internet_
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y****r
发帖数: 3036 | 17 肯定是distributed的原因。一般来说正常的distribute问题也不大，比如bt下完了然
后忘了删种子而种子自动上传，或者把下载下来的mp3在同学间免费传播
但是有些bt发布者要求用户必须要上传一定量的数据，否则会cancel membership或者
收费，这时候的distribute就不是fair use了。
没仔细看这个case，我估计是属于后者。
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 那就是扯淡
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S*******s
发帖数: 10098 | 18 “caught out in the rain without an umbrella (personal liability insurance)
如果他一早就买了umbrella Insurance（很便宜），“it will often cover things
that are not normally addressed in a traditional policy such as a copyright
infringement case or a defamation suit.”
“it's just as dumb to venture forth without the proper financial "umbrella"
to protect your assets from those unexpected financial storms. ”
“When it comes to personal liability insurance, an umbrella policy is
simply one of the best investments you can make. Not only does this type of
policy provide addition coverage above and beyond what is allowed in a
traditional policy (for example, 假如你撞了别人的车， 里头坐的4个人都受伤了
，你的车险赔偿$25万 may not cover the amount of the settlement from a
lawsuit， 但是伞险就可以cover超出25万的那笔 liability。
Another benefit of an umbrella policy is the price. Monthly premiums on a
seven-figure policy are much cheaper than it would be for a single insurance
policy.”
http://ezinearticles.com/?You-Need-an-Umbrella-Policy-to-Become
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/2099041
【在 N*****e 的大作中提到】
: 网易科技讯 8月24日消息，据国外媒体报道，美国马萨诸塞州一联邦法庭今日宣布，维
: 持此前对一非法下载者的处罚判决。这名被告因非法下载31首歌曲被判罚67.5万美元。
: 2007年，大学生乔尔·泰拉贝尔（Joel Tenenbaum）因从文件分享网站上下载了31首歌
: 曲，而被美国4大唱片公司起诉。
: 当时的陪审团认定泰拉贝尔有罪，故意侵犯版权，应处67.5万美元的罚款。但泰拉贝尔
: 称陪审团裁定违宪，而主审法官也认为判罚过重。
: 但上诉法庭认定判决合理，泰拉贝尔律师要求最高法院介入，遭到拒绝。
: 美国唱片工业协会（RIAA）表示，“我们乐见法院做出如此判决。”（亚比
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c*****a
发帖数: 1638 | 19 umbrella是不保这种情况的吧
copyright
umbrella"
of
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: “caught out in the rain without an umbrella (personal liability insurance)
: 如果他一早就买了umbrella Insurance（很便宜），“it will often cover things
: that are not normally addressed in a traditional policy such as a copyright
: infringement case or a defamation suit.”
: “it's just as dumb to venture forth without the proper financial "umbrella"
: to protect your assets from those unexpected financial storms. ”
: “When it comes to personal liability insurance, an umbrella policy is
: simply one of the best investments you can make. Not only does this type of
: policy provide addition coverage above and beyond what is allowed in a
: traditional policy (for example, 假如你撞了别人的车， 里头坐的4个人都受伤了
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S*******s
发帖数: 10098 | 20 这篇文章说是cover 这种Personal liability的， 也许每一种合同premium和coverage
都不同。我们团队的同事给客户的建议就是伞险比单个儿的车险房险都便宜划算，我
得去查查，看他们怎么说细节， 回头再来回复你的问题。
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】
: umbrella是不保这种情况的吧
:
: copyright
: umbrella"
: of
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r*********e
发帖数: 7733 | 21 单个的车险房险还得有。伞险只是cover额外的。一般上限1个million。
coverage
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章说是cover 这种Personal liability的， 也许每一种合同premium和coverage
: 都不同。我们团队的同事给客户的建议就是伞险比单个儿的车险房险都便宜划算，我
: 得去查查，看他们怎么说细节， 回头再来回复你的问题。
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w***a
发帖数: 4361 | 22 简直扯淡，youtube上啥音乐没有？那个怎么算？
【在 N*****e 的大作中提到】
: 网易科技讯 8月24日消息，据国外媒体报道，美国马萨诸塞州一联邦法庭今日宣布，维
: 持此前对一非法下载者的处罚判决。这名被告因非法下载31首歌曲被判罚67.5万美元。
: 2007年，大学生乔尔·泰拉贝尔（Joel Tenenbaum）因从文件分享网站上下载了31首歌
: 曲，而被美国4大唱片公司起诉。
: 当时的陪审团认定泰拉贝尔有罪，故意侵犯版权，应处67.5万美元的罚款。但泰拉贝尔
: 称陪审团裁定违宪，而主审法官也认为判罚过重。
: 但上诉法庭认定判决合理，泰拉贝尔律师要求最高法院介入，遭到拒绝。
: 美国唱片工业协会（RIAA）表示，“我们乐见法院做出如此判决。”（亚比
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r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 23 没有车的人士（光坐公交的），伞险如何cover租车时的意外？
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】
: 单个的车险房险还得有。伞险只是cover额外的。一般上限1个million。
:
: coverage
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c*****a
发帖数: 1638 | 24 反正网上我查到的伞险是不保这个的，只是车险和房险的延伸。
你查到细节来说一声。
coverage
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章说是cover 这种Personal liability的， 也许每一种合同premium和coverage
: 都不同。我们团队的同事给客户的建议就是伞险比单个儿的车险房险都便宜划算，我
: 得去查查，看他们怎么说细节， 回头再来回复你的问题。
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